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LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:08 am

http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html...en/app/show/en/2005/12/515/HOM&s=0


New aircraft for Lufthansa regional fleet
Supervisory Board approves purchase of twelve Bombardier CRJ-900s

07.12.05
The Supervisory Board of Deutsche Lufthansa AG approved at its meeting today the placement of orders for twelve short-haul CRJ-900 aircraft with 84 seats. In buying the competitive, cost-efficient and modern plane, Lufthansa is leading the industry-wide trend towards the deployment of larger aircraft in regional air traffic.

The competitiveness and cost-efficiency of the regional fleet are of crucial importance in Lufthansa’s European operations and for feeder flights to intercontinental connections at its major hubs. With competitive feeder traffic, the Group is aiming to grow, maximise its opportunities and open up perspectives for its staff. For customers, Lufthansa is laying on an array of point-to-point flights between destinations in Germany and Europe as well as connections to beyond flights at its hubs to around 800 destinations in 140 countries.

Simultaneously, Lufthansa is continuing its investment in one of Europe’s most modern fleets, combining high fuel efficiency with low emission levels. The twelve new CRJ-900s are to replace 50-seater CRJ-200s. The Lufthansa regional fleet currently consists of a total of 160 aircraft.

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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:12 am

Well, a bit of good news for BBD and great to see a new CRJ-900 operator!
 
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:15 am

Good to see some orders for Bombardier on here!
I've flown the LH CRJ's a few times and it was always a good flight - nice and quiet up front!
Great looking aircraft too - but what else would you expect from something that evolved from a bizjet  Smile
 
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:16 am

HOORAY! This is (almost) better than sex (for me anyway, haha  Smile)

Great news for BBD and LH.

On the downside - I guess this means the end of the C-Series, as BBD had hoped for a large order from LH...
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:20 am

I assume they went for the CRJs on commonality grounds with the rest of their regional fleet. However, the E-jets are by far the more confortable planes from a passanger's perspective...

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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:21 am

I love the CRJ900 and it will be nice to see in colors other than America West and especially DLH

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
On the downside - I guess this means the end of the C-Series, as BBD had hoped for a large order from LH...

and as for this, it is only 12 airplanes, there is still a pretty good chance for some interest in the C-series
 
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:33 am

It's not a huge order so I think these aircraft will just fill some gaps in their fleet while the real decision about a huge RJ order still has to be made.

As far as I know, LH is rumoured to be in talks with Sukhoi about the RRJ, Rekkof about the F70/100NG and Bombardier about their C-series proposal. If I recall correctly they were also rumoured to be in talks with Embraer, but I'm not sure about that. Will be interesting to see who will win the 'real' order.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:34 am

Seems like they are talking to all the RJ manufacturers then!
 
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:37 am

G´day

While this may be good news for the manufacturer, it sure ain´t good news for the passenger having to fly with them. To me that means another load of sardine cans for Lufthansa, that I have the questionable pleasure flying with far too often. Occasionally I get to fly the similarly sized Embraer 170 - what a difference. From a passengers view the Embraer is a plane, whereas the Canadair resembles a toy. Sometimes I have a choice, guess which aircraft I prefer, even if it means fewer "Miles and More" and less convenient schedules.

My EUR 0,02

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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:39 am

So as of now they´ll have all CRJ types except the -705. Interesting that they drop the CRJ-200 before the -100. I guess because the latter is flown in bigger numbers.

Any info about delivery dates ?
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 4):
However, the E-jets are by far the more confortable planes from a passanger's perspective...

- Very true, the E series are superb!
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:25 am

Well, I assume that LH wouldn't have operated 60+ CRJs since 1992 if the airplanes were that bad and pax really hated flying on them... I hope they will use them on flights to OSL.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:27 am

From business point of view a good decision but I am not a huge fan of the CRJ 900. It is too overstretched.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:32 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 9):
So as of now they´ll have all CRJ types except the -705.

The CRJ-705 is a scope thing anyway. It is the same size as the CR9, just fewer seats. Since we are going into subtypes, LH doesn't fly the CRJ-440
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:41 am

Quoting CaptainStorck (Reply 5):
I love the CRJ900 and it will be nice to see in colors other than America West and especially DLH

Look at AC Jazz CRJ-705, it's the same A/C, very nice ...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
The CRJ-705 is a scope thing anyway. It is the same size as the CR9, just fewer seats. Since we are going into subtypes, LH doesn't fly the CRJ-440

What is the CRJ-440 ?
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:13 am

The CRJ-440 is a 44 seat version of the 50 seat CRJ-200 (I believe) it is flown by Delta Connection (Comair & ASA) and Northwest Airlink (Pinnacle). The only difference is the lack of seats, replaced by closets.

The airlines paid less for these models, and would have to pay more if they chose to remove the closets and replace them with seats. It was an offer by Bombardier to prevent the airlines from selecting Embraers.

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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:43 am

Pity. These will likely be coming to VNO (among other places) and I much prefer the E170/E190.
 
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:52 pm

If you consider the history of this order, it becomes quite clear that LH has ordered the CRJ-900 not because it was the number one choice - the Fairchild Dornier 728, which was almost a tailor-made design for Lufthansa, would have been the best aircraft suited for the airline. This replacement decision has been postponed for two years since the bankruptcy of Dornier now - two years in which LH could not find a perfect successor. Therefore they stuck to the second best solution - an aircraft, which has been "overstretched" IMO with limited or no further development potential.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:11 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 17):
If you consider the history of this order, it becomes quite clear that LH has ordered the CRJ-900 not because it was the number one choice - the Fairchild Dornier 728, which was almost a tailor-made design for Lufthansa, would have been the best aircraft suited for the airline.

Not quite as you put it. The 728 was up against the CRJ-700 and the E170... not the CRJ-900. It is only logical that LH buy the CRJ-900 (despite its drawbacks) since the order is for only 12 aircraft.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:22 pm

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 18):
Not quite as you put it. The 728 was up against the CRJ-700 and the E170... not the CRJ-900. It is only logical that LH buy the CRJ-900 (despite its drawbacks) since the order is for only 12 aircraft.

Ah OK, I stand corrected.  Smile So the question of how to replace the ARJ/ BAe-146 in the medium term is still left wide open...
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:50 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 9):
So as of now they�ll have all CRJ types except the -705. Interesting that they drop the CRJ-200 before the -100. I guess because the latter is flown in bigger numbers.

I think the statement

Quoting D-AIFB (Thread starter):
The twelve new CRJ-900s are to replace 50-seater CRJ-200s

includes both, the CRJ-100 and CRJ-200 as both planes are marked as CRJ-200 IIRC.

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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:59 am

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 19):
So the question of how to replace the ARJ/ BAe-146 in the medium term is still left wide open...

I believe that the ARJ fleet is only about 18 and their replacement will be part of a wider issue than just capacity replacement. As you know, under present arrangements LH cannot use its regional's crews to operate aircraft with more than 70 seats. If you recall, the introduction of the 146 into Air Dolomiti upset Vereiningung Cockpit.

Addressing the planned CRJ-900 purchase, while CityLine is the logical operator of the CRJ-900, LH has not specified which of its regional carriers will operate it. The CRJ-900 order details will not be finalized until an agreement with its pilots are reached over regional operations. The LH board has only approved the plan to purchase 12 CRJ-900's... but no purchase dates have been disclosed, and neither have possible delivery dates.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:05 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
HOORAY! This is (almost) better than sex (for me anyway, haha )

Then one cannot help but to question how you can fix your sex life...  duck 

Did they ever order EMB-190's??
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:12 am

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 15):
The CRJ-440 is a 44 seat version of the 50 seat CRJ-200 (I believe) it is flown by Delta Connection (Comair & ASA) and Northwest Airlink (Pinnacle). The only difference is the lack of seats, replaced by closets.

The airlines paid less for these models, and would have to pay more if they chose to remove the closets and replace them with seats. It was an offer by Bombardier to prevent the airlines from selecting Embraers.

Actually all but 2 of the CRJ-400/440s built were taken by Pinnacle, with 1 still owned by Bombardier and one sold by Bombardiew to Jazz, both of which were likely NTU by Pinnicle. The reason they were built is because of scope clause issues with Northwest's pilots and 50 seat aircraft

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 18):
Not quite as you put it. The 728 was up against the CRJ-700 and the E170... not the CRJ-900. It is only logical that LH buy the CRJ-900 (despite its drawbacks) since the order is for only 12 aircraft.

There was a 928 jet proposed as well.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:25 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
There was a 928 jet proposed as well.

Yes, there were 2 versions that FD was designing but the 928 was up against the BRJ-X... not the CRJ-900 as it did not exist at the time.

Stretching the CRJ-700 into the CRJ-900 was BBD's only option in order to keep a foot in the 70+ seat market after the BRJ-X lost both the LH competition to FD and the Crossair competition to EMB.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:02 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
On the downside - I guess this means the end of the C-Series, as BBD had hoped for a large order from LH...

I'm still hoping LH will go with the C Series to replace their Avro RJ's.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 4):
I assume they went for the CRJs on commonality grounds with the rest of their regional fleet. However, the E-jets are by far the more confortable planes from a passanger's perspective...

While I agree that the CRJ200's are cramped sardine cans, I've been on AC Jazz's CRJ705's and they are really nice. I would take a CRJ705 over the 200 any day.
 
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:38 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 25):
I'm still hoping LH will go with the C Series to replace their Avro RJ's.

Sorry I doubt that. As I stated before in numerous threads I believe that after the Fairchild/Dornier 728 debacle LH would not order an aircraft which have an uncertain future.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 25):
I've been on AC Jazz's CRJ705's and they are really nice. I would take a CRJ705 over the 200 any day.

The Jazz CRJ705s are low density versions of the CRJ900, which makes them much more comfortable.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 22):
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
HOORAY! This is (almost) better than sex (for me anyway, haha )

Then one cannot help but to question how you can fix your sex life...


Well, reading this great piece of news made me very "excited" - which my darling benefitted from at bedtime... need I say more? *nugde nugde* Big grin

I hope LH place the order with BBD soon. I assume they will as they have made it public on their website now...

Is the Enhanced CR9 the only -9 offered now by BBD?
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:56 am

how does it come that, everytime LH is evaluating a regional jet, the company cancell the project or doesnt have money to go on....

first it was dornier...

than there was rekkof/fokker...

and now the C-series...

think they eventually will go with Embraer.. or maybe rekkof (as mentioned it is far from death)
 
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 20):
I think the statement

Quoting D-AIFB (Thread starter):
The twelve new CRJ-900s are to replace 50-seater CRJ-200s

includes both, the CRJ-100 and CRJ-200 as both planes are marked as CRJ-200 IIRC.

If you go to www.munich-airport.de and have a look at the current departures/arrivals, you´ll see that they are split into -100 and -200 (and -700 btw.), so there is a difference in the designations even where it wouldn´t be necessary.
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:17 pm

I see this Order just as an interim solution for LH.
12 CRJ 900 will replace up to 20 CRJ200 from LH Cityline, as the first 200s are getting quite old. The first one, D-ACLB has actually already left the fleet.

LH still has to find out (or finally tell someone) about their Long time strategy for the Cont/Regional fleet.

A CRJ900 doesn´t mean the problems are solved now.
Regarding the future of LH Cityline/ Eurowings etc...:
It just got more interesting again!

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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:35 pm

"Lufthansa signs for 12 CRJ900" it says on the Bombardier website. It wasn't there when I checked last night, so the agreement must have been finalised during the night.

They don't disclose the price, but LH had options for 10 x CRJ700, so they must have converted those and received an agreeable price.

On a side note, SkyWest reaffirmed their options for 80(!) CRJ700 when they ordered their last batch of CRJ700s 1-2 months ago, how cool would it be if they ordered all 80 next year - making them the EK/SQ of the regional world  hyper 

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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:29 pm

I stand corrected. Delta does list the crj-100 & 200 with seating for 40 or 50. I must have been on a 40 seater, I thought i counted 44.
 
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RE: LH To Order 12 CRJ900

Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:40 pm

I was really wondering why Lufthansa had ordered the CRJ 900, a plane they were never really fond of. They claimed that several times that the CRJ 700 was the best stretch to get out of the original design and a further stretch would not be an ideal solution.
Lufthansa is now evaluating regional aircrafts for a really long time.
Together with Crossair they had been the launch customer of the Fairchild-Dornier 728Jet. After the bankruptcy of Fairchild Dornier Lufthansa favored the 717 as the best option available.
One 717 was serving with Germanwings last year and Lufthansa was also looking at the results closely. They decided not to buy it due to several reasons , Nr.1 being the refusal of Boeing to build a stretch the 717-300 and the other that Boeing was about to close the 717 line in Long Beach.
I guess the main reason of Lufthansa not to buy the 717 was the negative experience they had as they wanted to order more MD 11Fs and Boeing refused to keep the line open. Which is a pitty because the 717 would have been great a great solution for Lufthansa�s needs and is also a fine looking aircraft.
Sizewise the C-Series would also be the perfect plane for Lufthansa, but I really doubt that Lufthansa will ever put their money on a plane again which has a unknown future.
Some people also suggested that Lufthansa will buy the Russian Regional Jet.
But I don�t know how the typical Lufthansa customer would react when he notices that he is on a russian build plane even if it is brandnew and state of the art. Russian aircrafts still have a bad reputation and I doubt that Lufthansa is willing to take the risk of being the first airline to introduce that type in the west.
Others say that Lufthansa will take a close look again at the A318, sure they said that they are not interested but they said the same about the CRJ 900.
So here is my question: How will Lufthansa �s regional fleet will look in 10 years ? We know that Lufthansa needs to replace their Avros soon.
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