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737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:59 am

According to BCA, the current 737 order book stands at 5992. With the recent WestJet order plus whatever else Boeing have got in the past week, the 737 has now had over 6000 orders and NGs account for almost half of that.

I think it's safe to say Boeing have received a reasonable return on investment.

Current deliveries stand at 4950 (more than 1000 backlog) so expect the celebrations for the 5000th 737 to take to the sky soon.

[Edited 2005-12-08 03:02:39]
 
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:45 am

Wow, that's pretty amazing, especially since so many of them are NextGens, which were made after the plane started getting some worthy competition. The profit they've made by just retooling an old plane must be unbelieveable. I guess, the 737 is like coffee--you can prepare it a hundred different ways, and it will still be good.
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:48 am

Long live the 737!  Smile
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:44 pm

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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:04 pm

The B737 is the indisputable leader in narrowbody sales. Way to go Boeing and maybe another 6000 more B737s  Smile The 737NG has outsold the A320 alone.
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:11 pm

What an amazing aircraft

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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:29 pm

WOW! What an amazing accomplishment. I can't even begin to say how many 737's I've been on in my years! Between travels to and from the east coast, to travels up and down the west coast, it's got to be over 100. As for the A3xx family, that's an easy one... maybe 10 times?


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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:31 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
The 737NG has outsold the A320 alone.

All credit to the 737 which will become (maybe already is!) an aviation legend. But there's no need to exaggerate.

The 737 NG (-600/700/800/900/BBJ) has outsold the A320 (model, not family) but so what? Add in the A318, A319 and A321 (which is a more meaningful comparison) and it has not. (737NG = 2,879 of all variants; A320 family = 3,914 of all variants.)

Of all 9 737 and 4 A320 family variants, the A320 is the best seller with 2,000+. The four models of the 737NG can muster a greater total but, again, so what?

The A320 (2,000+) easily saw off the similar-sized 737-400 (486). Now, if you want to heap praise on the 737 talk about the 737-800! It hasn't yet caught the A320-200 but with 1,559 sales so far it has sold at a faster rate than the A320.

(Note: no attempt here to start a conflict; merely a wish to correct an inaccurate statement.)
 
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:31 pm

An incredible achievement for the "short little ugly fella". Congratulations to Boeing.

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The 737NG has outsold the A320 alone.

Please check your numbers and get back to us!  wink 
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:34 pm

You kind of have to add the 734 and 738 together when comparing with the A320 since they both "compete" in size (with the 738 a bit larger) and both were offered AFTER the A320 was launched in 1982. One would hope the A320 matches or outsells the 734/738 considering it predates them (though obviously early sales of a new type might be slower than early 734 sales since that was a new variant of an existing type). That both types have sold over 2000 versions, in nearly identical numbers is amazing! (734+738 = 2058, A320 = 2082)

The 733/73G numbers are also outstanding, at 2245. But since the A319 wasn't available till mid 90s, it's sales should be compared only to the 73G. And lo and behold, the numbers are nearly identical! (73G=1132, A319=1138). Talk about a 50/50 parity between two quality aircraft...

Of course, the way airbus tells it on their website, the 737 doesn't seem to exist:

"With more than 3,200 aircraft sold worldwide, the A320 Family is the undisputed leader in the single-aisle jetliner marketplace."

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a320/

(and some people wonder why we don't always believe everything Airbus claims. but that's another topic.)

Well, just for the record since the 733-739 have been for sale for roughly the same time as the A320 family, I'd say the 4848 airframes ordered from the 737 model ranges is pretty impressive (900 more than the A320 series, though this doesn't include china).

Or to put it another way, the 3444 737 family aircraft DELIVERED since March 1988 (the A320 EIS) are enough to "dispute" the A320's undisputed leadership, at least. Parity, yes. Leadership? The jury is still out...  Wink
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:37 pm

What airline will get the 6,000th 737?
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:06 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
The 737 NG (-600/700/800/900/BBJ) has outsold the A320 (model, not family) but so what? Add in the A318, A319 and A321 (which is a more meaningful comparison) and it has not. (737NG = 2,879 of all variants; A320 family = 3,914 of all variants.)

The B737NG family was offered years after the A320 was first offered, but its quickly catching the A320 family in over all sales. I should have re-worded my previous post more better.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
"With more than 3,200 aircraft sold worldwide, the A320 Family is the undisputed leader in the single-aisle jetliner marketplace."

Please let me have the fun with re-wording Airbus's obvious mistake "With more than 3,200 aircraft sold worldwide, the B737 Family is the undisputed leader in the single-aisle jetliner marketplace." Big grin
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:42 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
The B737NG family was offered years after the A320 was first offered, but its quickly catching the A320 family in over all sales.

It is? From where I'm standing, seems they're both selling at about the same pace, i.e. 50/50.

A320 has even been selling faster than the 737NG over the last couple of years. And for this year, the numbers are, as of Nov. 30:

737NG: 462
A32X: 549

So, 'quickly catching' the A32X? Hardly...

Anyway, sorry for the diversion, achieving 6,000 sales is very impressive no matter what! Congratulations Boeing!

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Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:58 pm

6,000 frames! Pretty damn impressive for a program that Boeing was very seriously considering scrapping (due to sluggish sales) in the early to mid 70's!

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Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:06 pm

Who has operated the most 737's over the years?


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Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:10 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 15):
Who has operated the most 737's over the years?

I would assume WN ( but of course I could , as usual , be totally wrong )
 
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:10 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 13):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
The 737NG has outsold the A320 alone.

The thread was going in the right direction before your comment.
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Yep! You're right, just enjoy the good news about the 6,000 orders for the 737 line, which is very impressive.
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:20 pm

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 10):
What airline will get the 6,000th 737?

It'll be line #1868 but it's not yet known to me. I'll see what I can find out.

Last one to leave Renton was #1837 so you'll be looking at late January/February time. It'll probably be SWA or RYR I reckon.

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Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:24 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 17):
Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 10):
What airline will get the 6,000th 737?

It'll be line #1868 but it's not yet known to me. I'll see what I can find out.

Last one to leave Renton was #1837 so you'll be looking at late January/February time. It'll probably be SWA or RYR I reckon.

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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:38 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 12):
A320 has even been selling faster than the 737NG over the last couple of years.

Very true, and I think that momentum will continue, which is why Boeing must offer a 797 as soon as they are ready. EIS for that will be 2012, based on my analysis of their engineering and flight test backlog. Authority to offer will be before mid-2008 787 EIS, possibly even 2007 at 787 first flight.

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Last one to leave Renton was #1837 so you'll be looking at late January/February time. It'll probably be SWA or RYR I reckon.

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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:47 am

The 737 family has been refreshed/reinvented twice (1. the replacement of JT8s with CFM56s and 2. the 737NG) but the A320-200 (forget the first handful of -100s) is effectively the same plane as it was in the late 1980s when it was launched.

Or is it? I have no idea. It must have been tweaked but have the changes been small and incremental or much more significant? The A320-200 is still called the A320-200 (i.e. not-400/-800 or whatever) but does that mean it's still effectively the same plane? I'd be happy if someone could clarify this for me.

(What I mean is that the 737NG has come a long way since it was a 737-200. Has the A320 made a comparable journey or has the design simply stood the test of time?)
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:02 am

Gotta love the "stubby". A true achievement. The A-320 is also selling well and will achieve major milestones soon.

I wonder if B can ever expect to develop a follow on aircraft that will be as successful. One can only hope they are able to transfer 787 technology into the 737 successor.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:23 am

Congratulations Boeing!

Could somebody knowledgeable on that subject tell us how many 737 Boeing thought they could reasonably sell, when they launched the plane, please?
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:31 am

I'd like to know what the Boeing projections were for aircraft in that market size back when it was launched in the 60s.  Smile

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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:34 am

Quoting PM (Reply 20):
Or is it? I have no idea. It must have been tweaked but have the changes been small and incremental or much more significant?

There have been minor tweaks along the way. Replacing CRT screens with TFTs was one. Other avionics updates are applied across the whole range whenever a new model is released (last was the A318).

No major updates as far as I'm aware, unlike the 737 family. What you need to remember is that when the A320 was released by Airbus, it was very advanced compared to the competition (737-300/400/500, MD-80s). Boeing's response, after the A320 started to gain momentum, was to update the 737 line to the NG models (-600/700/800/900).

Boeing deserves huge credit for the fact that they've managed to produce a perfectly viable competitor to the A320 by modifying an existing plane.
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:37 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):
Very true, and I think that momentum will continue, which is why Boeing must offer a 797 as soon as they are ready.

The difference in sales over an extended period is hardly worth bothering with. Over 12 years, I think the A320 has sold about 250 more than the 737 (both over 3,000 sales). An average of 20 sales per year. Nothing that Boeing, or you, should be losing any sleep over.  wink 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:39 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 24):
Boeing deserves huge credit for the fact that they've managed to produce a perfectly viable competitor to the A320 by modifying an existing plane.

Airbus deserves credit for building such an awesome machine and forcing Boeing to respond with one too. Competition is good.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:42 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 24):
No major updates as far as I'm aware, unlike the 737 family.

Thanks. That was my understanding.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 24):
Boeing deserves huge credit for the fact that they've managed to produce a perfectly viable competitor to the A320 by modifying an existing plane.

Agreed. How many other designs could be (or have been) reworked to such an extent and with such success? I've flown on 100+ 737-200/300/400/500/700/800/900 (no -600s, alas) of 28 airlines in Europe, North America, South America, the Caribbean, Africa, Asia and Australia and, while I still prefer the wider cabin of the A320, there's no denying the ubiquity or the success of Boeing's little baby. Credit where credit's due.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:18 am

Quoting PM (Reply 20):
The 737 family has been refreshed/reinvented twice (1. the replacement of JT8s with CFM56s and 2. the 737NG) but the A320-200 (forget the first handful of -100s) is effectively the same plane as it was in the late 1980s when it was launched.

There have been steady improvements over the years. The A320s today are far better than the initial 320-200.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 25):
The difference in sales over an extended period is hardly worth bothering with. Over 12 years, I think the A320 has sold about 250 more than the 737 (both over 3,000 sales). An average of 20 sales per year. Nothing that Boeing, or you, should be losing any sleep over.

Do you understand what the word momentum means? A320 sales were slower at first (new type, risk, lots of carriers already invested in B737s). But over time, it has passed the 737 in yearly sales, and carriers have switched to A320s from 737s in many cases, but I don't recall a major airline switching to 737NG from A320. Considering how "old" the A320 is, you would expect to see that if they were truly competitive.

Add to that the number of startup LCCs choosing the A320, and while the 737 is selling fine, it would be a great business decision to introduce the 797 anyway as long as the engines and wings (as well as composite technology) is advanced enough to bring MUCH greater efficiency into the small end of the market.

And do not forget, Boeing has jettisoned the 757, and that hole needs to be filled. Right now, some carriers are using 321s as stopgaps for shorter routes, but they are hardly a true replacement. By 2012, there will be pent up demand for the 752 replacement as well.
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 28):
I don't recall a major airline switching to 737NG from A320.

Then let me remind you. South African replaced a fleet of A320s with 737-800s. However, before their 738s were all delivered they decided to replace them with A320s again!  crazy 

But I believe this was all politics and questionable management (to say the least!) so shouldn't be taken as meaning much outside the context of SAA and its woes.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 22):
Could somebody knowledgeable on that subject tell us how many 737 Boeing thought they could reasonably sell, when they launched the plane, please?



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 23):
I'd like to know what the Boeing projections were for aircraft in that market size back when it was launched in the 60s.

I read a couple of years ago that Boeing's initial market projections were for approximately 250 copies. This was back in February, 1965 when Boeing announced it was going to offer a twin called the 737. First flight was April 9, 1967. The original design was intended for short hops of less than 300 miles.

Who would've thought it would still be in full production some 40 years later, flying almost 40% more passengers as the original design, and for both continental as well as intercontinental travel?
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:46 am

I think the 737NG is the best plane available on the market (for short-haul obviously). Hoping to fly the 737 when I get my licence.

The 737 is the biggest success story for boeing in my opinion, 2nd being the 747.

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Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:41 am

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Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:01 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 28):
Do you understand what the word momentum means? A320 sales were slower at first (new type, risk, lots of carriers already invested in B737s). But over time, it has passed the 737 in yearly sales, and carriers have switched to A320s from 737s in many cases, but I don't recall a major airline switching to 737NG from A320. Considering how "old" the A320 is, you would expect to see that if they were truly competitive.

Well said. While SAA has switched back and forth as mentioned, the A320 family has strong customer loyalty. They sell well because it's a high quality product, airlines that buy them almost always buy some more.

The 737 reaching the 6000 sales mark is impressive, but I think of the 737 "family" as 3 different generations. The 737 Classics are different from early 731/732s and from the 737NGs, they're like different generations of the same family. Yeah, there is a commonality and similarities, but they're really different in many key details.

The A320 family, on the other hand, has remained the same. I'm sure Airbus has kept improving them internally, but externally an A320 from 1988 looks the same as one made today. Except for the wing fence less 100s variants 'natch. They've sold 3,914 total all variants in the family since 1988 (as per Airbus.com today), a number that's higher than any of the 737 generations.

The 737 and A320 families are the most successfully commercial jet aircraft of all time. Now that's something both Airbus and Boeing can be proud of.

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Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:09 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 28):
But over time, it has passed the 737 in yearly sales, and carriers have switched to A320s from 737s in many cases, but I don't recall a major airline switching to 737NG from A320. Considering how "old" the A320 is, you would expect to see that if they were truly competitive.

Carriers have switched to 320's from 737's, but that was only carriers that had classics in their fleet. Has there been a situation where a carrier switched from the 737NG to a 320?

One reason for the 320's "momentum" is the proliferation of LCC's globally. Given a start-up situation Airbus has been extremely competitive in penetrating the LCC market, which was almost the exclusive domain of Boeing and the 737 until just a few years ago.
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:36 am

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 10):
What airline will get the 6,000th 737?

Probably Southwest.  biggrin  If WN does get it, I hope they put a special livery.Whoever gets it I hope someone puts a Special Livery on it.

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Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:37 am

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 35):
Probably Southwest. If WN does get it, I hope they put a special livery.Whoever gets it I hope someone puts a Special Livery on it.

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I agree WN will probably get the 6000 one. WN still has a ton of 737 on order. Southwest is supposed to receive 36 737-700 in 2006.


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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:37 am

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 33):
They've sold 3,914 total all variants in the family since 1988 (as per Airbus.com today), a number that's higher than any of the 737 generations.

Yes, but the 737NG was 7 years late to that contest and has still sold: 2850+. But while that is good in 12 years (from authority to offer of 73G), it does indicate that the A320 is stronger overall, as it is selling BETTER in current years than the NG despite 23 years since launch.

The only way for B to take the lions share of startup LCCs is to do so with a new aircraft that is so economically superior that they won't need to match the discounts Airbus offers 1:1.
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:14 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 28):
Do you understand what the word momentum means?

Yes thank you. I did study Physics till I was 18. yes 

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 28):
but I don't recall a major airline switching to 737NG from A320. Considering how "old" the A320 is, you would expect to see that if they were truly competitive.

ANA are switching from A320s to 737NGs. How about the other way - anyone switched from 737NGs to A320s? I can't think of one.

As to why no others going to 737NGs from A320s (or reverse), the answer is pretty obvious really - the two planes are a whisker apart in price and operating costs. So if airline X (who already operates the A320 or 737NG) either wants to expand their fleet or replace older models, they're really not going to bring in a whole new plane when they can simply buy more of the same.

Given the large number of sales of both planes in the last couple of years, I really don't know how you can consider the 737 uncompetitive. Every time an airline is in the market for planes of this size, there's an intense battle. But clearly, you believe this is the case, so can I quote you the next time there's an A320 vs 737 bun fight in the forum?  wink 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:18 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 34):
Has there been a situation where a carrier switched from the 737NG to a 320?

easyJet (737-700s followed by a much bigger A319 order) comes to mind. And the SAA 738s to be replaced by A320s (for what it's worth). But you're right - there aren't many.
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:38 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 39):

Good point, but easyJet isn't actually replacing their 73Gs with A319s are they?
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:47 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 40):
Good point, but easyJet isn't actually replacing their 73Gs with A319s are they?

Not initially, for sure. But in the medium- to long-term it would make sense to settle on just one type and - at present - that would seem more likely to be the A319.

We can also think of 737NG operators who have added A321s (SAS, RAM) but I'm not really sure what that proves!

Apparently SAS are also taking 4 A319s when they already operate 4 737-700s. Not sure what that means. (Fellow A.Netters will tell me it reflects on the eccentric management of poor SAS!)
 
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:17 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 38):
anyone switched from 737NGs to A320s? I can't think of one.

Air Asia instantly comes to mind
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:12 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 42):
Air Asia instantly comes to mind

But aren't they flying 737-300s rather than NGs?

Quoting PM (Reply 41):
Apparently SAS are also taking 4 A319s when they already operate 4 737-700s. Not sure what that means.

It means the head of fleet "planning" at SAS is an aviation enthusiast who wants to see as many types in SAS's fleet as possible!
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:34 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 38):
anyone switched from 737NGs to A320s? I can't think of one.

I'm not sure of their exact fleet at the moment though won't Air Berlin be switching from 737NGs to the A320 series?

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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:51 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 42):
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 38):
anyone switched from 737NGs to A320s? I can't think of one.

What about Aer Lingus?

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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:16 pm

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 45):
What about Aer Lingus?

Nope. Aer Lingus had 737-400s and -500s, no NGs.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 44):
I'm not sure of their exact fleet at the moment though won't Air Berlin be switching from 737NGs to the A320 series?

True enough. They currently fly 737-800s but have switched over to A230s. But, like easyJet, are these planes direct replacements or additions? I don't know.
 
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:42 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 34):
Carriers have switched to 320's from 737's, but that was only carriers that had classics in their fleet. Has there been a situation where a carrier switched from the 737NG to a 320?



Quoting 777ER (Reply 42):
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 38):
anyone switched from 737NGs to A320s? I can't think of one.

Air Asia instantly comes to mind

And so did Air Berlin - has just received D-ABDA:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...ev_id=947888&next_id=943897&size=L

And ship no 2 is not far away D-ABDB:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...r=1&prev_id=&next_id=972111&size=L
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:21 am

Quoting PM (Reply 29):
Then let me remind you. South African replaced a fleet of A320s with 737-800s. However, before their 738s were all delivered they decided to replace them with A320s again!   

But I believe this was all politics and questionable management (to say the least!) so shouldn't be taken as meaning much outside the context of SAA and its woes.

They also called off the A320 replacement, and are staying with just replacing the older 732's with A319's, the 738's will stay.
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RE: 737 Turns 6000!

Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:39 am

Quoting Aviationwiz (Reply 48):
They also called off the A320 replacement, and are staying with just replacing the older 732's with A319's, the 738's will stay.

Really? I knew it wasn't planned to start until 2010 but I didn't know the order had been cancelled. Can anyone confirm this?

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