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Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:51 am

There have been several comments/rumors concerning various SWA items here lately, and this article on some of Gary Kelly's comments at an industry conference might put some of them to rest... (We'll see, anyways...)

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...05-12-07_22-34-39_n07253183_newsml
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:07 pm

.....Kelly said that Southwest could consider acquiring aircraft on top of the 33 Boeing 737 jets it plans to take delivery of in 2006 if unusual opportunities arise.

"We would have to go into the used market and get a little creative," if additional planes are needed, he said.

With the jets on order, it would be difficult for the airline to begin service to new cities in 2006 beyond Denver given its plans to expand in markets it already serves, Kelly said.

"I'd like to be able to add another new city next year," he said. "I don't know that we'll have the capacity to do it."....

That's a whole lot of seat capacity to not be adding another city besides DEN. I think DEN will be taken care of with the December '05 deliveries (4 I think). I'm guessing PHL will see some significant additions and maybe MDW if they pick up a few more gates, but where else would you put that cpacity if not into a new city? Here's hoping for significant new service from to DAL.
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:16 pm

They announced last week that PHL would double gates and flights next year. If the Wright amendment goes away, look for big additions to DAL on top of already announced STL and MCI to DAL. BWI is opening several new gates soon for WN. I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up the old ATA gate in DEN and add more flights. I checked some of the fares yesterday and alot of the cheaper fares are already sold out into March. MDW will be picking up flights as well with ATA pulling back more.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:21 pm

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 2):
BWI is opening several new gates soon for WN.

In January B2 & 4 will be open for use on a limited basis; the interior gate areas will still need work done on them and won't be "complete" until the B1-13 gates are completed after the B/C alleyway is finished next spring. The alleyway was slated for being done sooner, but there's been hold ups with its construction as well as the addition of the fuel line for hydrant fueling. Last I heard was that work was to be done around April.

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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:22 pm

"We want to be poised to take advantage of growth opportunities," he said, adding that Southwest was disappointed that ATA had moved to trim flights out of Chicago's midway as it seeks to emerge from bankruptcy.

This part about ATA is just plan contradictory and disingenuous to SWA's behind the scenes actions. In order for ATA to renew the codeshare agreement which was up this month, SWA made it a condition that they wanted 4 of ATA's 8 gates left at MDW in exchange for reducing their financing debt. So, what was ATA do do, but go for the deal and cut service!?!? With ATA in the situation it is trying to emerge from bankruptcy and secure financing, they had no choice.
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:25 pm

Might MSP be the next new destination WN announces?

From the article:

Kelly said that Southwest could consider acquiring aircraft on top of the 33 Boeing 737 jets it plans to take delivery of in 2006 if unusual opportunities arise.

"We would have to go into the used market and get a little creative," if additional planes are needed, he said."

Might Kelly go the desert and pick up some ex- DL, UA, or US, 733's as an interim measurement until more 700's come online. Or might Mr. Kelly be saying that the 738 is in WN's future?

Just some thoughts for discussion.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:58 pm

Quoting DALNeighbor (Reply 1):
but where else would you put that cpacity if not into a new city?

I'd be surprised if PIT doesn't see 5-10 more flights within the next year too, in addition to the PHL, BWI, etc.

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 5):
Or might Mr. Kelly be saying that the 738 is in WN's future?

That would be shocking, to say the least. In terms of WN, it would definitely be "creative" to use Kelly's words. The US 733's have the steam gauges, but do they have the right engines for WN? With their big thing being commonality, I doubt they'd want to bring in mx oddballs.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:40 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 6):
I'd be surprised if PIT doesn't see 5-10 more flights within the next year too, in addition to the PHL, BWI, etc.

I'd be surprised as well. Just before PIT opened Gary Kelly made the comment that they see PIT as a BNA type operation in terms of size. So I would look forward to plenty of growth at PIT over the next four to five years. I think that would put PIT at roughly 70-80 flights per day.

BTW - who ya' flying to LAS Tornado?
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:47 pm

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 5):
Might Kelly go the desert and pick up some ex- DL, UA, or US, 733's as an interim measurement until more 700's come online. Or might Mr. Kelly be saying that the 738 is in WN's future?

733 before 738 I'm sure.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting N200WN (Reply 7):
BTW - who ya' flying to LAS Tornado?

Those plans got bagged, until I decide if I'm going through with buying a new home this spring. But if I do still go, either US (paying extra to go via PIT instead of my "favorite" place) or CO via CLE from ABE, or CO from EWR. With some news I've heard of US lately and their turn around, they're off my sh*t list now, and the E-170's running PIT-IND are going to lure me back yet.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 7):
So I would look forward to plenty of growth at PIT over the next four to five years. I think that would put PIT at roughly 70-80 flights per day.

...as Dan Onorato gives Gary Kelly a big hug, and maybe even you for reiterating the news in case anyone forgot. Haha. Hell, 80 737s might pay more landing fees and whatnot to the county than the entire US ops with the little props and RJ's accounting for so much of it.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:30 am

I'm glad there is so much of a capacity issue in this country that Southwest can keep adding more seats. LOL
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:35 am

OH... this just in, for N200WN:

I *MAY* hop onto the one of the evil 737 empire's planes tomorrow evening in Filthadelphia. I have plans to be in the Mon Valley region of Pittsburgh on Friday night, and with this major snowstorm hitting the mountains, I might just buy one of those walkup fares... and then see what all the hoopla is about with WN... instead of driving through the mountains. I'm always against flying such a short hop usually, but over a foot of snow can change my moral position. I'll keep you posted.  Wink
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:28 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9):
if I do still go, either US (paying extra to go via PIT instead of my "favorite" place) or CO via CLE from ABE, or CO from EWR

Just when I was about to call you a big loser, lol, you come up with this:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
*MAY* hop onto the one of the evil 737 empire's planes tomorrow evening in Filthadelphia. I have plans to be in the Mon Valley region of Pittsburgh on Friday night, and with this major snowstorm hitting the mountains, I might just buy one of those walkup fares... and then see what all the hoopla is about with WN

Whatever you decide I hope all goes well. As for all the hoopla, I'm not sure what it's all about either - it really is just a cheap seat and a free soda.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:45 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 12):

Yet, another example of immaturity and total lack of class.

Yet, another example of you making a post that provides NOTHING to the thread but to rip on me. Some things never change. I feel honored though that you paid $20+ just for the right to hit the A.net search engine for threads with Tornado82 + PHL. I guarantee out of your 136 posts that at least 36 have been aimed towards me in some way. Johan appreciates your business. If you notice, I was contributing positively to this thread about Southwest's service upgrades in PIT. What did you contribute?

[Edited 2005-12-09 00:47:32]
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:51 am

My respected user N200WN has always been interested in (as was seen here) when I would finally get on a Southwest flight, so I decided to inform him... and prove to the Southwest fans who hate me so much that I am human and will fly their planes when they are my most convenient and efficient option... which will be tomorrow afternoon. I'm buying the refundable option so that if the snow slacks off somewhat before hitting our mountains like my personal forecasting knowledge thinks, and the turnpike recovers in time, I can get my money back and just drive it, and then have my own car instead of a rental out in the snowy 'Burgh. To spread the wealth to my lesser-liked airlines evenly, I'll fly Southwest to PIT in the afternoon tomorrow, then return at the buttcrack of dawn Monday on US (to get my first ever E-170 experience mainly). Someone surprise me, and you may just see me back on your flights in the future, there's a shocker to you all I'm sure, lol.

And now, for the real shocker, I will give respect to Southwest for something. Without Southwest's entrant into PIT-PHL making it basically a shuttle market now... this trip would never have been financially feasible.

(NOTE: This was on my prior post, but I expect it to get deleted for referencing to a deleted post, so I cut/pasted this to this new post, since it is positive)
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:01 am

Quoting N200WN (Reply 13):
you come up with this:

Shocking eh? I know, I even shocked myself, and my girlfriend's response was "Holy Sh*t, you're flying Southwest?!?" And that comes from a huge fan of the show "Airline." I tried to book her into a 1-way ticket on them for over the holiday season as well a few days ago... but Southwest wouldn't let me book PHL-CMH.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 13):

Whatever you decide I hope all goes well. As for all the hoopla, I'm not sure what it's all about either - it really is just a cheap seat and a free soda.

I doubt I'll even get that soda (but us native Pittsburghers call it pop) tomorrow, should be a pretty rough flight over to PIT, flown at a pretty low level because of its short length and the weather, in a pretty short amount of cruising time. Although hell, the best time to serve the drinks, without a doubt with this kind of weather, will be taxi time at PHL. I'm sure that'll take longer than the cruise portion of the flight with the weather, the deicing, and all that jazz, I'd be willing to bet the price of the ticket even.

I notice that my Flight 641 was flown tonight with with a 737-700. Two questions:
1. Are all WN 737-700's equipped with winglets?
2. Is Flight 641 PHL-PIT always flown with the 737-700.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15):
And now, for the real shocker, I will give respect to Southwest for something. Without Southwest's entrant into PIT-PHL making it basically a shuttle market now...

This is why I fly WN almost all the time, it is the efficeint, convienent, affordable service that WN offers on the short shuttle type flights, 45 minutes in the air vs. 5 hrs. in a car.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:22 am

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 17):

This is why I fly WN almost all the time, it is the efficeint, convienent, affordable service that WN offers on the short shuttle type flights, 45 minutes in the air vs. 5 hrs. in a car.

Which if I was going from center city Philly, to center city Pittsburgh, would make more sense. But as it is, my origin and destination are both over an hour, and with enough traffic upwards of 90 minutes, from those airports. Not to mention I then have to take the time, expense and effort (I'm under 25) to rent a car, or inconvenience people for that 90 minute (each way) ride. I did the "Tale of the Tape" so to speak in a previous thread. It's quicker to drive PIT-PHL if you're not going to the city centers, and in the case of PIT with its airport location... it's often quicker to drive even if you are going to the Golden Triangle... until you account for Philly taxi delays, the aforementioned car rentals, etc. If WN ran ABE-PIT instead, it would make alot more sense for me. However (although in these storm instances it still won't matter) by next year this discussion will be moot, because I'll fly a Cessna (or etc., not to defend our Piper folks) ABE-VVS/MGW and be done with it all... if all goes according to plan.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:24 am

There are some WN haters out there but Tornado is not one of them.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 16):
I notice that my Flight 641 was flown tonight with with a 737-700. Two questions:
1. Are all WN 737-700's equipped with winglets?
2. Is Flight 641 PHL-PIT always flown with the 737-700.

I'll check into you flight for you later this evening. I'm off tonight so I don't have easy access to the info. I just called a coworker to get it for you and they were a little busy removing an "unruly" pax off a plane - having an "Airline" moment I'm sure. Damn...I hate when I miss those.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:37 am

Answer on the winglets on all 700's....no,not yet.
I saw a couple of 700's at LAS early in the week without winglets.
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:49 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
evil 737 empire's planes tomorrow evening in Filthadelphia.

Tornado82:

I still like the "evil 737 empire" rotfl . As many times as I've gone in and out of BUF with them, I'm yet to be late, cancelled or lose a bag. They're not CO or AA, but
their track record is fine with me. They're not for everybody, but a "cheap seat and a can of pop" is sometimes all you need.

Filthadelphia rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  How appropriate...

Not all 73G's have winglets yet.

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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20):
Answer on the winglets on all 700's....no,not yet.
I saw a couple of 700's at LAS early in the week without winglets.

If we're talking about Southwest's -700's, yes, they are ALL now have winglets.

For Tornado:

Flight 641 for Dec 9th:

Gate D4
Booked to 78
A/C #478 - Originates as Flt 803 LAS-PIT-PHL then Flt 641 PHL-PIT-LAS-SMF.

Since your on a full fare ticket (I think) you have the option to go standby on an earlier flight.

[Edited 2005-12-09 03:00:10]
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 8):
733 before 738 I'm sure.

Don't be so sure.

733 in the condition WN would accept are in short supply. New 738 would arrive in mint condition and would enjoy the highest resale value (and slowest depreciation) of all 737NG variants. 738 have a much lower CASM than 73G and are more widely available on the lease market.

WN has the option to covert 73G to 738 simply by getting on the horn with Boeing. WN's scheduling system can easily accomidate the "complexity" of an extra FA and extra capacity per flight. If growth outpaces WN's delivery schedule, I doubt they will let opportunities slip unnecessarily.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20):
Answer on the winglets on all 700's....no,not yet.
I saw a couple of 700's at LAS early in the week without winglets.

Then they were -300's.

Winglet conversion is complete, but the Classic to Canyon Blue has not been finished...

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 5):
Or might Mr. Kelly be saying that the 738 is in WN's future?

It was suggested that WN may order 738 or even 739ER last year when it looked like some massive opportunities may arise. The market cooled down, so WN stuck with the 73G...

Quoting F4N (Reply 21):
Not all 73G's have winglets yet.

I'm neigh 99% sure they do...
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:12 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
I'm always against flying such a short hop usually, but over a foot of snow can change my moral position.

 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup 

Now THAT was funny!
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:35 am

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 24):


Now THAT was funny!

It's true though, heavy snows in the mountains, but alot less in PHL and will be ended already for 12 hours in PIT. Flying is a much more viable option.

N200WN, and others, thanks for the info.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 22):

Since your on a full fare ticket (I think) you have the option to go standby on an earlier flight.

Yeah I am, and considering it's PHL in foul weather, sounds like a plan to me. I didn't think you were allowed standby on WN at all.

I just don't want to break any hearts if this snow slackens off and I choose to drive though.  Wink
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 25):
I just don't want to break any hearts if this snow slackens off and I choose to drive though.

Hey do what you need to do. Considering the weather conditions out there and #471 at MDW this evening, maybe you should keep your butt at home. Fly/Drive safe dude.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:06 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 18):
Which if I was going from center city Philly, to center city Pittsburgh, would make more sense. But as it is, my origin and destination are both over an hour, and with enough traffic upwards of 90 minutes, from those airports. Not to mention I then have to take the time, expense and effort (I'm under 25) to rent a car, or inconvenience people for that 90 minute (each way) ride. I did the "Tale of the Tape" so to speak in a previous thread. It's quicker to drive PIT-PHL if you're not going to the city centers, and in the case of PIT with its airport location... it's often quicker to drive even if you are going to the Golden Triangle... until you account for Philly taxi delays, the aforementioned car rentals, etc. If WN ran ABE-PIT instead, it would make alot more sense for me. However (although in these storm instances it still won't matter) by next year this discussion will be moot, because I'll fly a Cessna (or etc., not to defend our Piper folks) ABE-VVS/MGW and be done with it all... if all goes according to plan.

I hear your position, with significant driving on either end. On my usual runs (LAS-PHX-LAS, LAS-SAN-LAS) I seem to stay within a half hour or so of the airport, ground transportation normally not a huge consideration. In my case, I can go from working in PHX to relaxing at my house in LAS in under 2 hrs. Normally, thanks to good old flight WN 1813.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 23):
It was suggested that WN may order 738 or even 739ER last year when it looked like some massive opportunities may arise. The market cooled down, so WN stuck with the 73G...

Just curious if WN was to go with the -800, would they configure to seat only 149 (no need for 4th FA), or would they run with a 6 person crew as opposed to the usual 5? Would this pose some logistical issues and un-necessary costs for WN? Here's a question for all you out there, OPNLguy in particular, is the 735 a hassle to schedule/sales for WN due to the plane only seating 122, only 25 in the fleet, vs. the rest of WN's fleet which seat 137, 400+ aircraft. By "hassle" I mean does WN incur extra cost, time etc. due to flying the 735 in the fleet. Seems like WN has no interest in acquiring any second hand 735's as they have a higher CASM than the 733/737, but there might be some on the market at a decent price, I am thinking some of the ex- UA frames.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:30 pm

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 27):
Just curious if WN was to go with the -800, would they configure to seat only 149 (no need for 4th FA),

How many seats did ATA have in their 738s?
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:34 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 28):
How many seats did ATA have in their 738s?

175 per ATA.com
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:35 pm

Oh that's right, they still do have a few, I guess I could have looked it up too. Duh on me, thanks though!
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:36 pm

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 4):
This part about ATA is just plan contradictory and disingenuous to SWA's behind the scenes actions. In order for ATA to renew the codeshare agreement which was up this month, SWA made it a condition that they wanted 4 of ATA's 8 gates left at MDW in exchange for reducing their financing debt. So, what was ATA do do, but go for the deal and cut service!?!? With ATA in the situation it is trying to emerge from bankruptcy and secure financing, they had no choice.

That's what happens when you sign a contract with the devil. He's always in the details.

I'm hoping ATA dies off.
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:37 pm

Speak of the devil... right as I send that post, he popped up on my TV. Credit to him for going on TV at 10:30 local time for this, instead of just sending some underling out.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:38 pm

They also show 733, 735 and 737-700's in their fleet, not with WN seating, the -300 seats 139, on WN 137.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:42 pm

For the record, I wasn't calling Kelly a devil, that's just a saying.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:39 am

DFWRevalution..reply 22 "they were 300's".
Not if they have red flap canoes, they aren't....
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15):
1. Are all WN 737-700's equipped with winglets?
2. Is Flight 641 PHL-PIT always flown with the 737-700.

1. Yes (I'm absolutely sure)
2. No (While it usually is, using "always" or "never" isn't reality)
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:02 pm

To N200WN, etc:

FYI... when at lunch time (when I would have left for PHL) the secondary roads of the Lehigh Valley had already recovered to just wet/slushy from 9" in the morning, there was a wreck on I-476 (How I'd get to PHL) and PHL had the "Orange dot of death" on www.fly.faa.gov I thought the gods were against me and telling me to drive instead of fly.

The flight thing wasn't bothering me as mucuh as the ridiculous fees I'd have for a rental car as a 23 year old with a perfectly clean driving record, and an off-hours return at PIT (since my return flight was taking off at like 5:45am on US) so unfortunately I didn't experience WN.

Although, there was just something freaky when within 3 hours of me originally "buying" the tickets for my first ever WN flight, WN has their first fatal accident ever. I'm not superstitious usually, but that kinda was in the back of my mind.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:21 pm

Well all is well as you had a safe trip. Flight 641 was ONLY 25 min late into PIT and 8 minutes of that delay was due to a security issue out of PHL. Surprising considering the weather.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 36):
so unfortunately I didn't experience WN

In due course, hopefully  Smile

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 36):
WN has their first fatal accident ever.

Man I'm just sick over what happened to that boy (I have a seven year old and it would kill me I think). Just like when the Alaska MD-80 went down in 2000...there were several kids/families on that flight and and I just had to stop thinking about it.
 
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RE: Gary Kelly Comments...

Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:43 pm

Quoting N200WN (Reply 37):
Man I'm just sick over what happened to that boy

Me too. Reminds me of when the tornado/macroburst (still disagreement in the meteorlogical community) hit the amusement park near Pittsburgh (actually just below AGC) and someone got killed there when the roof of a shelter collapsed... i was working there that summer. Except in that case, a middle-aged woman's kids watched her get killed instead of the other way around.

Quoting N200WN (Reply 37):

In due course, hopefully Smile

Just maybe one of these times you guys will be cheap on PHL-IND. But it would have to be really cheap to be better than CO-Ex from convenient ABE... or the direct flights and E-170 of US in PHL.