geoffthomas
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Tracing An Aircraft's History

Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:36 pm

For a an aviation documentary series (6 x One hour) we are making we want to work one episode around the life of an aircraft that started off with a major airline, was handed from one to another then spent some time in the desert before being reborn as a freighter or the like.
Can anyone help with some good candidates either Airbus or Boeing.
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RobK
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:05 pm

Blimey! There are literally thousands of candidates!

If you're looking at aircraft that are now freighters your best bet would be a DC10.

Perhaps DC10-30 cn 46931?

Started life with Pakistan Intl as AP-AXC in March 74, sold to CP Air in September 86 as C-FCRA, merged into Canadian Airlines May 87, leased to Aeromexico September 89 as XA-AMR, returned, parked for a bit, leased to Laker Airways April 96 as N832LA, returned, stored for a bit, leased to Gemini Air Cargo July 2000 as N614GC, ferried to Naples for cargo conversion, parked for a few months, converted, ferried to the desert for storage, into service October 02, sub-leased to Cielos del Peru February 05 and current.

Exact dates and histories tend to be patchy for the older ones as it's difficult to keep track of their movements in and out of storage etc.

Source of the above, http://www.airlinerlist.com.

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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:25 pm

Geoffrey,

Just a few ideas to share:

B747:
N716CK Kalitta Air (orig. UA, then to PA, then to freight w Polar and now CK)

B727-200F:
N73751 Express.Net (Braniff, then to CO, now with Express.Net)
N76754 Express.Net (Braniff, then to CO, now with Express.Net)

Good luck!
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:54 pm

That's great. Tks A340 spotter - Jeffrey - and Rob K. We will start working on those frames.
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:19 pm

I have to say that would make a blooming good programme.

Again the best advice I can give you is to check out the site given by RobK

Dont forget to keep us posted on how it's going for you.

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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:12 am

Will do.
Actually it will be a documentary series that will knock your socks off.
I for one am sick of watching docos put together by people who really don't know what their talking about and use bland film shots.
They miss the real points and the series lacks action and vibrance.
In fact I will be asking members for help on some of the best places to film, aside from the usual. Places like Zurich, Manchester and Gatwick some to mind...Also SFO on the hill.
Best GT
 
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:35 am

If you want Boeing 757's the best page on the web is Marcel Van Noordenne's at the following link. All of them are listed with their complete history of operators since new.

http://www.b757.info/

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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:48 am

Maybe another idea is to start backwards -- start with a plane you want to work on, a converted A300, for example, with one of the cargo lines, then see who might've owned them, etc?

I'm suggesting this approach because there might be one particular airline that you want to work with (for your ease, if you have contacts, etc) and so you can easily limit your choices quickly. There are, as others have mentioned, way too many choices.
 
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:42 am

i have a question....how can 2 different AC have the same CN (construction number)?? i thought the CN number was unique for every AC...

for example there are several AC that have the CN number 271. how is that possible?
 
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:09 pm

Geoffrey,

How about PP-TPC (DC-8-52 45752/233. Started life out as ZK-NZC with TEAL/Air New Zealand


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After that, it was with Faucett, as OB-1421


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Later, it was seized after aparently being used for drug running, according to what I am reading, with a registration (possibly false) HK-3947X


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To my knowledge, this is the sole survivor of TE/NZ's DC-8 fleet.

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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:16 pm

Quoting D5DBY (Reply 9):
how can 2 different AC have the same CN (construction number)

A construction number is just a company thing. So you will see aircraft from different manufacturers having the same construction number. Then there are also line numbers, which is the number of the aircraft to come down the production line. So for instance, there is both a 747 and a 737 out there which were line number 1000. I hope this clarifies it for you,

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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:41 pm

yeah it does, thanks VF.

so in theory 2 different AC could have the same CN number AND the same line number?
 
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:51 pm

Quoting D5DBY (Reply 12):
so in theory 2 different AC could have the same CN number AND the same line number?

With the CN, yes, but they would be from different manufacturers.

Line numbers would correspond with each different aircraft type - you would have 737s, A320s, MD80s - all of them, as they all begin with line number 1 and continue until the last frame is built.

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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:34 am

You could browse www.airfleets.net to look for some good candidates...
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 12):
With the CN, yes, but they would be from different manufacturers.

Line numbers would correspond with each different aircraft type - you would have 737s, A320s, MD80s - all of them, as they all begin with line number 1 and continue until the last frame is built.


i get it...cool.....but while where at it....if you visit the photo section of A.net...you could do a advanced search for a AC.

there is registration, CN ect ect....but there is a field for "aircraft code"...."what is a aircraft code"? is it the line number?....
 
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:20 am

You need a production book..there are two primary ones. The Boeing production book which is volume one and all the rest which is volume two. Its all there.
Every airliner built and its history.
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:27 am

Thanks for the great feed back....really appreciated.
Best GT
 
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting D5DBY (Reply 8):
i have a question....how can 2 different AC have the same CN (construction number)?? i thought the CN number was unique for every AC...

for example there are several AC that have the CN number 271. how is that possible?

Please list these "several AC that have the CN number 271".  confused 

No aircraft from the same manufacturer will have identical cn's, period.

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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:42 pm

Rob,

Now now...let's be a little more clearer  Smile

Cn 271:
A300/A310
A320
A330/340
eventually A380

Same manufacturer, same cn, can happen, but same cn, same type, never  Smile

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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:04 pm

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 18):
Rob,

Now now...let's be a little more clearer

Cn 271:
A300/A310
A320
A330/340
eventually A380

Same manufacturer, same cn, can happen, but same cn, same type, never

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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:35 pm

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 9):
To my knowledge, this is the sole survivor of TE/NZ's DC-8 fleet.

That would be a good aircraft to have on display at AKL or at the Motat Transport Museum at Auckland, good history with NZ
 
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RE: Tracing An Aircraft's History

Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:29 pm

Why not try the Jet Airliner Production List.

Look for an long entry .

B707-321 MSN 17602/83,17605/98.
B707-351B MSN 18586/345
B720-048 MSN 18043/188

DC8-54F MSN 45663/189
DC8-55 MSN 45764/251
DC8-63 MSN 45924/392
DC8-63CF MSN 46106/490