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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:29 am

The new flight will be operated by a LAN Peru A320.

This is the advertisement that has been on the press: 15 dollars cheaper than AV.



The flight (LP580) departs UIO at 3:40pm arrives in BOG at 5:10pm and goes back at 6:00pm (LP581) to UIO. Nice schedule for biz travellers.


AV had no competition on this route since summa, so this are good news to see if the fares go down a bit.

From lan.com:

http://www.lan.com/promociones/data/...ca/ec/todo_el_mundo/baja_temp.html
 
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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:47 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Thread starter):
AV had no competition on this route since summa, so this are good news to see if the fares go down a bit.

They had. VH used to continue its CCS-BOG flight to UIO. VH discontinued the BOG-UIO tag on a couple of weeks ago.


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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:49 am

Its funny that they announce "La mitad del mundo" monument (where the equator lies) because its actually not in quito but a certain distance away from it !Its like when they advertise Geneva or Zurich by putting mountains !
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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Thread starter):
AV had no competition on this route since summa, so this are good news to see if the fares go down a bit.

Wait, I remember the CO flight to UIO from EWR was routed EWR-BOG-UIO-BOG-EWR. I remember taking that flight a couple of times [in BusinessFirst] and was impressed with the service. Does CO still operate this daily flight using the 757-224?
 
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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:55 am

It's important to note that the route as such is not new, just the frequency increase.

BOG-UIO was operated 3x weekly.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1):
They had. VH used to continue its CCS-BOG flight to UIO. VH discontinued the BOG-UIO tag on a couple of weeks ago.

Not to mention that LAN has been operating this route for some time now, just not daily.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 3):
Does CO still operate this daily flight using the 757-224?

No, CO dowgraded the route to 73G and cancelled the BOG-UIO-BOG segments. Currently it's just EWR-BOG.




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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:25 am

RootsAir: Reply 2

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Its funny that they announce "La mitad del mundo" monument (where the equator lies) because its actually not in quito but a certain distance away from it !Its like when they advertise Geneva or Zurich by putting mountains !

I hate to disappoint you but the Quito Mariscal Sucre Intl, SEQU/UIO is located at geographical coordinates of S00 08.5 W078 29.3; this is just 8.5 nautical miles south of the Equator.

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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:36 am

Good news for LatAm and for LAN!

I assumed the chose the monument "La mitad del Mundo", because is very well known and close to Quito as a Icon.

I thought the carrier would be LanEcuador.

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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:12 am

Forgot to say (my mistake), REAL competition. The CO flight took off like at 1am and the LA flights were only 3x weekly. The VH flights, well, those were mostly CCS bound pax....
 
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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:17 am

One of LAN's odder routes, LANChile also flies Bogota-Guaqyuil with a 763 on Thursdays. Routing is MIA-BOG-GYE-SCL.
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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:02 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
One of LAN's odder routes, LANChile also flies Bogota-Guaqyuil with a 763 on Thursdays.

Yes, that's the only competition AV gets on its daily BOG-GYE MD-83 run.


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Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:31 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 2):
Its funny that they announce "La mitad del mundo" monument (where the equator lies) because its actually not in quito but a certain distance away from it !Its like when they advertise Geneva or Zurich by putting mountains !

It's certainly not downtown but it's a short and easy taxi ride away. Hardly a stretch. Otavalo is also promoted in conjunction with Quito and is considerably farther out of town.
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LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:46 pm

Great price, might consider spotting trip for that  Smile
 
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:35 am

Quoting AV757 (Reply 5):
I hate to disappoint you but the Quito Mariscal Sucre Intl, SEQU/UIO is located at geographical coordinates of S00 08.5 W078 29.3; this is just 8.5 nautical miles south of the Equator.

umm sorry AV757 ..... I think you misunderstood...I said that what they advertise as being quito is certainly not in Downtwon Quito...and that it reminds me of when they announce GVA or ZRH by showing mountains

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 10):

It's certainly not downtown but it's a short and easy taxi ride away. Hardly a stretch. Otavalo is also promoted in conjunction with Quito and is considerably farther out of town.

that's a pretty long ride
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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
The CO flight took off like at 1am and the LA flights were only 3x weekly. The VH flights, well, those were mostly CCS bound pax....

You're mistaken RCS763AV, the CO flight would leave at 7:30 AM from UIO, arriving at BOG around 9:00 AM, then it would continue to fly to EWR... on the return it would arrive at BOG around 9:00 PM from EWR, then will leave at 9:45 arriving at UIO around 10:30 PM... It was the best flight in my opinion, you could go to BOG for a day and be back at UIO the same night and avoid paying the horrendous airport taxes at BOG due to a stay of less than 24 hours... (BOG tax is around $45 if you go for business, unless you just say you go as a tourist, and it's around $30 for Ecuadorians)...
Anyways, I must say I was sooo disappointed when CO downgraded the route EWR-BOG-UIO and separated the two, with a 73G for EWR-BOG and a 738 for the new EWR-PYT-UIO flight.... I use to take the CO flight UIO-BOG all the time, and I loved it, and it was very popular, it was only $178 (including taxes).. that is why it had great loads.. really surprised me the change, and until this day, I don't really understand why CO changed it, other than maybe not enough 757s to cross the pond on the newer routes to Europe...
I wish CO would drop the UIO-PTY segment, and either make UIO-EWR direct or go back to the UIO-BOG-EWR flight... How can someone fly UIO-PTY with CO, when Copa (CO's affiliated airline) has 2 daily flights on most days.. (makes you wonder if CO's UIO-PTY segment sales anything, with way too much capacity on that small route IMHO)

Anyways, glad Lan stared a new competition to AV... My family will be taking that flight for x-mas..
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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:24 am

As for the new LAN UIO-BOG daily, does it mean the LIM-UIO is also daily? because the flight is a Lan Peru flight, thus it would mean it starts in LIM, and is really then the flight would be LIM-UIO-BOG-UIO-LIM, and not just a UIO-BOG-UIO... am I correct? Also, does Lan Peru have 3rd freedom rights? It seems CO had them, so I guess any airline has them in Ecuador, but I would like to know that...

Quoting Aero (Reply 6):
I thought the carrier would be LanEcuador.

I was wondering the same thing. As far as I see, the Lan Ecuador is a real joke, because LAN seems to only boost the LAN Peru routes and of course, the LAN (Chile) routes instead of making each "subsidy" grow proportionally... That is the only thing I don't like about LAN... making their "national" airlines (like LAN Ecuador and LAN Argentina) just a name, but not a real airline.. It's really saying, we just want to have all the benefits of being "national" but we really don't want to spend a dime in making it a real national airline.. The crews may be local, and that's about it...
I was wondering, why doesn't LAN start operating to the Galapagos Islands? Oops, maybe that's the only route they can't operate with another's country metal... Imagine "Lan Peru LIM-GYE-GPS-GYE-LIM" for $299... oh well... maybe one day LAN will invest in making their subsidies real entities than just a paper airline...
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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:00 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 13):
Anyways, I must say I was sooo disappointed when CO downgraded the route EWR-BOG-UIO and separated the two, with a 73G for EWR-BOG and a 738 for the new EWR-PYT-UIO flight.... I use to take the CO flight UIO-BOG all the time, and I loved it, and it was very popular, it was only $178 (including taxes).. that is why it had great loads.. really surprised me the change, and until this day, I don't really understand why CO changed it, other than maybe not enough 757s to cross the pond on the newer routes to Europe...

As you mentioned, apart from being able to deploy the valuable 757s for new Europe runs, the 73G is much better suited for the EWR-BOG market.

While CO's IAH-BOG is extremely easy to fill [let's remember that precisely this route registered the best loads of all international routes out of Colombia during the mid-year heavy season], EWR-BOG is a bit weaker, given that most of the VFR/ethnic traffic that goes to New York City from Colombia prefers travelling to JFK, offered daily by AV.

The 73G is just the precise capacity according to the demand. At least CO won't be going out with 60%-full 757s during this year's end high-season.



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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 13):
Anyways, I must say I was sooo disappointed when CO downgraded the route EWR-BOG-UIO and separated the two, with a 73G for EWR-BOG and a 738 for the new EWR-PYT-UIO flight.... I use to take the CO flight UIO-BOG all the time, and I loved it, and it was very popular, it was only $178 (including taxes)..

Oh my god yes! I remembered, i just keep mixing the schedules. The flight that takes off really late is the LB flight to VVI, sorry.

Quoting Atnight (Reply 14):
Also, does Lan Peru have 3rd freedom rights? It seems CO had them, so I guess any airline has them in Ecuador, but I would like to know that...

You mean 5th freedom? all airlines have 5th freedom rights on international flights between the andean community (Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and ¿Bolivia?), its an open skies agreement.
 
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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 16):
Oh my god yes! I remembered, i just keep mixing the schedules. The flight that takes off really late is the LB flight to VVI, sorry.

Which means that your point of supposed "lack of real competition for AV" doesn't stand. On any given day there were always 2 airlines operating the route, on some days 3. The market between BOG and UIO isn't THAT big to support a lot of carriers and frequencies either, at least not like CCS for instance. So I believe that it was just the adequate amount of competitors.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 16):
all airlines have 5th freedom rights on international flights between the andean community

This is half false. The airline must be from one of the Andean Community countries in order to enjoy the privileges of the agreement, other than that, the foreign airline interested in operating any given route shall follow the normal proceedure of requesting the proper authorization.

BA well-flew CCS-BOG-CCS for many years without rights to carry neither passengers nor cargo.



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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:05 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 14):
As far as I see, the Lan Ecuador is a real joke

Well, your sight range is vey short, buddy, LAN never pretended to run "national" carriers abroad, and they are doing grat in Ecuador to MIA, MAD, EZE or LIM,
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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:27 am

I wonder if LAN could be interested for launching a new route to MAD from CLO/MED/BOG or from CCS ...knowing LAN is the Latin official airline in the kingdom of 767land  Silly ....new or used, LAN seems is in love with the 767s
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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:54 am

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 19):
I wonder if LAN could be interested for launching a new route to MAD from CLO/MED/BOG or from CCS

I cannot judge about CCS, but in Colombia they would face several problems which I think is not worthy to assume.

First, getting the proper authorization would be a wild goose chase to say the least, or they would have to operate, involuntarily, through touristic destinations determined by each country. Not to mention that international operations out of Colombia are so expensive that the market must really be worth it.

Knowing that LAN has quite an ability to accommodate themselves to the law, even if it means some pretty controversial moves [like the whole LANArgentina case], I still believe that the prize would not be as valuable for all the effort made. BOG has already plenty of capacity to MAD. The rest of the cities offer very limited traffic to MAD: CLO is barely able to fill 2 weekly flights to MAD, and not even on its own given that the flight starts in BOG, and there is no significant market between MDE and Spain.

At least in Argentina they know what they're after: a space in the very lucrative EZE-MIA for instance.




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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:44 am

HOLA Fede  Smile

And what about a CLO-MDE-MAD or MDE-Cartagena-MAD?
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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:57 am

MDE-CTG-MAD sounds non-feasible.

Maybe a 1x weekly CLO-MDE-MAD, or to give it more popularity, MDE-CLO-MAD. But I still believe that passengers originating in Medellin bound for Spain are just fine connecting in BOG.


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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:17 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7):
Forgot to say (my mistake), REAL competition.

There you go again... VH was an alternative for flights between BOG and UIO. Regretfully VH had some serious problems regarding lost luggage which made them lose many pax so they quit the route. The competion was real, it was there, not fictional.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 16):
You mean 5th freedom? all airlines have 5th freedom rights on international flights between the andean community (Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and �Bolivia?), its an open skies agreement.

Wrong. And yes Bolivia is part of the CAN.

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 19):
I wonder if LAN could be interested for launching a new route to MAD from CLO/MED/BOG or from CCS ...knowing LAN is the Latin official airline in the kingdom of 767land Silly ....new or used, LAN seems is in love with the 767s

The only way LAN could fly to MAD from Venezuela would be from PMV (Porlamar, Isla de Margarita), because the current bilateral doesn't allow more than 4 airlines flying between CCS and Spain. I say PMV because it is an open skies airport. LAN could easily fly SCL-MAD via PMV and take pax there, they could make it work at least 2X weekly. Chileans and Europeans could have another carrier to visit Margarita and if LAN manages to codeshare with VH, Aserca or Laser they can take connecting pax from CCS.

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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:27 pm

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 21):
And what about a CLO-MDE-MAD or MDE-Cartagena-MAD?



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 22):
Maybe a 1x weekly CLO-MDE-MAD, or to give it more popularity, MDE-CLO-MAD. But I still believe that passengers originating in Medellin bound for Spain are just fine connecting in BOG.

Also you also need to remember that no matter how LAN is in love with 767s they only have 767-300s that doesn't have the legs to do the route, neither from BOG, Neither from MDE, and i really don'0t think they would deply an A340 do to those route where they will find a heavy competition from AV, IB (and NM). Anyway it's jus an opinion.

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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:28 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 23):
Wrong. And yes Bolivia is part of the CAN.

Its not completely wrong....only that the open skies are reserved to CAN airlines.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 23):
There you go again... VH was an alternative for flights between BOG and UIO. Regretfully VH had some serious problems regarding lost luggage which made them lose many pax so they quit the route. The competion was real, it was there, not fictional.

See, lost lugggage made them loose the little pax they had from BOG....plus most of the PAX were going from CCS to UIO, not many boarded in BOG.

There was real competition offered by CO, and if you see the previous posts that issue was already resolved.
 
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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:56 am

Quoting Tavong (Reply 24):
they only have 767-300s that doesn't have the legs to do the route, neither from BOG, Neither from MDE

Maybe from MDE to MAD a 767-300ER could have a decent MTOW, or easily from CLO as it is an airport which doesnt have MTOW restrictions ...so far I know

Quoting Tavong (Reply 24):
and i really don't think they would deply an A340 do to those route where they will find a heavy competition from AV, IB (and NM). Anyway it's jus an opinion.

Not so heavy if you make comparison the BOG-MAD leg with, for instance, the EZE-MAD leg. A 767-200ER is the smallest airliner which you can operate from BOG to MAD non-stop ...and NM (which should be called "Air Joke") is not a real competition since they have only 2 weekly frecuencies.

Have a quick look at this thread:

www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2475318
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RE: LAN Starts Daily UIO-BOG

Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 26):
Maybe from MDE to MAD a 767-300ER could have a decent MTOW, or easily from CLO as it is an airport which doesnt have MTOW restrictions ...so far I know

AFAIK the 767-300ER can do the route BUT with heavy payload restrictons from BOG or from MDE i'm not so sure about CLO but i don't think that the CLO-MAD route would be so atractive to deploy a 767-300ER.

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 26):
Not so heavy if you make comparison the BOG-MAD leg with, for instance, the EZE-MAD leg. A 767-200ER is the smallest airliner which you can operate from BOG to MAD non-stop ...and NM (which should be called "Air Joke") is not a real competition since they have only 2 weekly frecuencies.

Well you're rigth on this but well wasn't my intention to compare EZE-MAD with BOG-MAD, but the market with four carriers are in my opinion crowded, i mean you have IB, AV, Air Plus (2 frecuencies mores), and Air "Joke" has you prefer to call it but anyway the competition is there so i would like to see more competition on the BOG-MAD (Europe in fact) frecuencies/routes but i really don't think that LAN will take this challenge.

BTW it's nice to think that IB would have 747-800 but i really don't think IB is really needin that planes in a suitable year-round basis, but is just an opinion.

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