KarlB737
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MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:04 am

Courtesy: KSTP-TV

MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=164405

[Edited 2005-12-09 18:08:05]
 
Daleaholic
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:12 am

This looks like a very good idea, but I feel the cost would not meet demand. I mean it must be alot to implement this, but how often would it be used? Just my opinion, anybody have any more information on this runway?
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:18 am

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 1):
anybody have any more information on this runway?

Check out: http://www.esco-usa.com/com/instal.html

In a nutshell, this stuff is solid, but it can't support the weight of an aircraft. Think blackboard chalk instead of concrete, and I think you get the general idea...
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:35 am

This stuff isn't new, I thought. I also thought this was being installed at airports all over the place, and I'm a little surprised that MDW didn't have it.

Does anyone else have this technology installed?
 
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:44 am

OPNLguy thanks for the link it is very informative.
 
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:06 am

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 4):
OPNLguy thanks for the link it is very informative.

Any time.

The 727 in the video was a FAA bird, and I they first tested the stuff at NAFEC (ACY) back in the 1980s.

Neat stuff. You'll notice that both BUR and LIT have installations now.
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 1):
This looks like a very good idea, but I feel the cost would not meet demand. I mean it must be alot to implement this, but how often would it be used? Just my opinion, anybody have any more information on this runway?

Just ask the pilots of the Eagle Saab 340, Gemini MD-11 and Polar Air 747 that overran at JFK (4R) if it was worth the cost  Wink

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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:27 am

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 6):
Just ask the pilots of the Eagle Saab 340

LOL, I guess 8,400 feet wasn't enough?!?!
 
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:47 am

A number of airports, including JFK for example, have these 'arresting concrete' runway installations. They may become more common in the future due a USA bill recently signed by the President (in part sponsored by Sen. Lautenberg D-NJ) requiring these systems and 1,000 ft (~325m) spacing from the end of a runway. Sen. Lautenberg's idea was inspired by the Feb. 2, 2005 TEB and other incidents where aircraft went beyond an airports borders and into roads, buildings and so on. The arresting concrete systems could become more common as an alternative where there is no practical way to get that 1,000 ft. runnoff area. Now, if that would have worked at MDW or at a similar location during bad weather or on a small RJ, then that is another problem.
 
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:08 am

MSP currently has a Engineered Materials Arresting System (ERAS) at the end of Runway 30L (the southeast end). This would prevent aircraft from running off the end of runway and onto busy Highway 5. In 2007, the airport is planning on installing a similar system to the end of Runway 30R, which would also protect Highway 5 from an overrun.

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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 9):
MSP currently has a Engineered Materials Arresting System (ERAS) at the end of Runway 30L (the southeast end).



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):

Check out: http://www.esco-usa.com/com/instal.html

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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:32 am

Would hate to land short on that stuff.
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:48 am

not to bitch about the system, wich is great, but about the reporter. She said that:
-airplanes cannot veer off the runway anymore (or very close to that)
-it won't happen at MSP because they have EMAS (they only have it on 1 side of 1 runway, what about the rest)
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:48 am

If an aircraft went off the end of runways 12L or 12R, it would not just crash onto Highway 5, but it would plummet down a steep 100 foot embankment into the Minnesota River.



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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:46 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 12):
it won't happen at MSP because they have EMAS (they only have it on 1 side of 1 runway, what about the rest)

All runways at MSP now meet FAA runway safety standards. Runway 30R on the northside didnt meet the standards until this year when the airport moved the landing threshold 200 feet to the west. My understanding, however, is the airport has the EMAS planned for Rwy 30R in case the shortened landing distance affects airport operations too much.

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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:08 pm

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 14):

All runways at MSP now meet FAA runway safety standards. Runway 30R on the northside didnt meet the standards until this year when the airport moved the landing threshold 200 feet to the west. My understanding, however, is the airport has the EMAS planned for Rwy 30R in case the shortened landing distance affects airport operations too much.

fair enough, I believe MSP is safe, but it isn't what the reporter said.
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:22 pm

Even Better Video And Better Report

Courtesy: KARE-TV

http://www.kare11.com/player.aspx?aid=21400&bw=
 
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:49 am

A random thought, but if an aircraft was approaching the runway and for some reason landed short of the start of the runway onto this special concrete area, all the landing gear would probably shear off and perhaps cause a major disaster....not probably, but just a thought
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RE: MSP Has Runway Arresting System-Demo Video

Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 1):
but I feel the cost would not meet demand

Cost doesn't outway loss of life....

LCY and SEN are 2 UK airports that have it. (both ends)

If these 2 regionals can have it....so can many others.


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