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American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 11:00 am

So...if the UA deal goes through. Who do you think American and Delta will go after?

-Continental (not good for either delta or aa because they're heavy in texas...but heavy east presence)
-TWA (not worth it)
-AmericaWest (an old ua target)
-Northwest (good for aa because of pacific)
-Alaska (who knows)

What makes me nervous is AA uping the stakes for US Airways or most of all - going after NorthWest because of the pacific.
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 11:08 am

I think American Airlines, and Northwest should merge, and Delta, and Continental merge.
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 11:08 am

My prediction is AA/NW/ALK and CAL/DAL/AWA. Both of these mergers would create airlines larger than UA/US.
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 12:17 pm

Delta and CO will never happen, there is a lot of bad blood between these two. A few years ago Delta wanted to 'merge' with CO but it was nixed when CO found out that Delta just wanted to take over CO for the planes and not much else.
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 1:04 pm

First, what I would eliminate...

AA/AS not, American recently bought reno air who shared a similar but smaller route system to Alaska. It would not make sense for AA to buy Alaska when they haven't exactly expanded or even made the best of reno's old routes.

DL/CO not likely, I have heard the bad blood line from many and can't see their routes fitting well at all (imagine the fight over the predominant hub, DFW vs. IAH, and CVG vs. CLE).

Now, what would work...

CO/NW/AS good fit, they already canvas the country with their on/off codeshares, with not too many conflicts. Just check out their map http://www.continental.com/tis/

NW would be a good match for either AA or DL. In such a deal DL or AA would gain Asia, while NW would get a signifcant eastern / southern / and beyond presence.

And finally, DL & AS seem like a good fit. Delta would gain great north-south presence on the west to match their similar service on the east. One obstacle, DL would have a tough time convicing Alaska's loyal customers that absorbing their airline is for the better.

Now with whom to invest?...

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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 1:37 pm

Should be interesting --- the ultimate mergers will be:


Let's see how this puppy barks. AA is the definite loser in any merger scenerio.

I laugh & cry at all of this... but in the end there will be 3 majors ...


All the rest will be "bye.bye". Split them as you will ...

Stupid move by UAL (H-E-L-L-O unions). DL will be the winner. AA is really screwed. (BA????) After this fiasco --- say goodbye to AA/BA.

BA/KLM/MAS & nothing else. H-E-L-L-O Air India

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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 2:58 pm

H-E-L-L-O? Art thou high?
Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 7:46 pm

Don't rule out Delta-American. Their fleets are nearly identical (both of 738, 757, 767, 777, MD-80), and their locations would benefit each other. Delta in the east, where AA is weak, and AA out west, where DL is weak. These two airlines could nicely complement each other.


RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 8:32 pm

TWA needs someone to buy them out with the financial problems they are having.
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 9:04 pm

DL-AA wouldn't ever happen - there is way too much rivalry there. The only reason that UAL-US is happening is that they had a deal before and United is in a spendhappy mood these days.

It's true that DL-AA would be easy from a fleet perspective, but look at what would result:

Hubs: CVG, ATL, SLC, LAX (sorta), ORD, MIA, JFK, but the real problem is DFW: talk about a fortress hub now... UAL-US aren't doing this (having a merger with a common hub). Can you say antitrust? AA is already in it deep with Vanguard at DFW. The only way this could happen is with major divestiture at DFW, which could kill the deal in and of itself. Plus, there's still little penetration (except the shuttle) in the Northeast.

Int'l: AA strong to Europe/Latin America, DL strong to Europe/Latin America. Still no vision for Asia, where the growth will be.

That combo, while formidable domestically, wouldn't really do anything else. US-UAL (which is a strong airline taking over a relatively weak one) accomplishes more.

RE: American And?/Delta And?

Wed May 24, 2000 9:38 pm

I think NW and AA is the best possibility escpecially considering
Europe with BA and KL. This would tend to favor a NW and AA marriage to
battle against Mega-United and Star?

Possible issues I think if AA and NW were to hypothetically happen:

NW would be known as AA (+, gets rid of recent bad press and removes
regional title)

AA would have access to Asia (+)

AA would have a partial Airbus fleet (+ or -, depends on your view, mine
would be a negative, but its only A320 family)

AA would have a Memphis hub (+)

AA would have 3 northern hubs (-, Winter would SUCK in Minneapolis,
Chicago, and Detroit)

AA/NW and BA/KL would consolidate (+, if you're Oneworld)
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Thu May 25, 2000 5:22 am

Delta has been eyeing up expansion in PHX for some time, so don't be suprised if America West in combination with another carrier will be a move. Possible hub relocation of SLC after the olympics? Good possiblity!! SLC is known for very high fuel and tax costs!! The yields arn't there!!
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Thu May 25, 2000 6:37 am

I read in the Paper today that NW was interested in CO. and i was talking to someone with TWA and he said they are rummors of TWA and AW merging but who know they are Rummors...
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Thu May 25, 2000 9:25 am

I see DL and CO combining. It almost happened a couple of years ago but the deal fell through. I think DL management learned a lot from that missed opportunity and will not let CO slip through their fingers again. I don't think NW and AA will link--NW seems like too big a pill for AA to swallow. Maybe AA will acquire TW or America West. I think NW will acquire Alaska AIrlines.
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RE: American And?/Delta And?

Thu May 25, 2000 9:34 am

NW and AA would be perfect,
AA would have more of a northern hub, NW would have a southern hub,
NW is strong in asia, AA strong in latin america,europe,weak in asia NW,weak in europe,Latin america
some fleet commonalities(727,dc-9 series,757,dc-10)
and for NW, it would delete the bad record and troubles that they had.
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Major Possibilities

Thu May 25, 2000 9:54 am

According to Bloomberg, AMR might fight back in Washington. It also said that it would be good for AMR to buy Northwest, America West, or Alaska. Mentioned also is Delta trying for Continental or America West.

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