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N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:42 am

On the employee website they have a picture of a "naked" 320 that will be N679AW and be the first America West plane in US airways colors. It is supposed to go into the paint shop this week. Does anybody know when it will be done? Will it go to PHX first so I can get a good pic of it?
 
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:51 am

Wow. And so it truly begins. I've flown HP a few times, always between CMH and LAS, all but one when they had a hub here. I always had a great trip.
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:59 am

It is scheduled to ferry from Roswell to PHX on Wed 12/14 and will likely be put into service the next day.
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:56 am

Will the interior be the same as HP or will it have a US interior?
 
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:14 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 3):
Will the interior be the same as HP or will it have a US interior?

Great question...
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:52 am

It's going to look exactly like this:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=949760

[Edited 2005-12-11 02:52:47]

[Edited 2005-12-11 02:53:25]
 
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:59 pm

Quoting MGB80 (Reply 5):
It's going to look exactly like this:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...49760

Not Exactly... The HP A320's have IAE engines. This leads me to a question I've asked here for a while with no response. What engines will newly delivered HP/US A32X's be delivered with, IAE or CFM?

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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:06 pm

Is there any functional difference between the IAE and CFM engines? As in, will the pilots know or care that they are flying one or the other?

Also, is there any aesthetic difference, so will spotters like me be able to tell the difference?
 
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:16 pm

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 6):
This leads me to a question I've asked here for a while with no response. What engines will newly delivered HP/US A32X's be delivered with, IAE or CFM?

I've answered the question a few times now.

The birds to be delivered to HP this year and next will have IAE engines.

All the future A32X deliveries (from 2009 on), from both the original HP and US orders, will have CFM engines.
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:33 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 8):
I've answered the question a few times now.

The birds to be delivered to HP this year and next will have IAE engines.

All the future A32X deliveries (from 2009 on), from both the original HP and US orders, will have CFM engines.

Thank you very much. Got that question off my mind.

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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:47 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):

Also, is there any aesthetic difference, so will spotters like me be able to tell the difference?

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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:50 pm

I suppose this is the first of big changes to come in PHX. Let's see those 757s and A321s!
 
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:36 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Also, is there any aesthetic difference, so will spotters like me be able to tell the difference?

if you look at the pics captaink put up. Look at the engines. In the back of them there is a big difference. And the trust reverses are different too. Just need to look and you will see the difference. It would be like looking at the AA/TWA 757's. They kind of look like the different ones you see there. Hope that helps.
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:03 pm

That livery is SOOOO ugly...

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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:35 pm

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 13):
That livery is SOOOO ugly...

Yeah gotta be the worse in the US.

Please.. it is not that bad you know it.
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:47 pm

So, we have a US plane with an HP callsign for ATC, how is this going to work, I mean, ground control is looking for a HP plane since it has an HP callsign, but the plane is in total US colors?
 
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:31 pm

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 13):
That livery is SOOOO ugly...

I actually think it's one of the better looking liveries flying.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
So, we have a US plane with an HP callsign for ATC, how is this going to work, I mean, ground control is looking for a HP plane since it has an HP callsign, but the plane is in total US colors?

If ATC is looking for the plane they'll be able to pull the colors off of the IFR flight plan. Blue and red on white?
 
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:34 pm

So which has more power, and which is more fuel efficient? IAE or CFM?
 
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:42 pm

When are the retro (America West, Piedmont, PSA) livery specials coming out?
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:10 pm

It will most likely have the words "USAirways" on the top, and have the words "Operated by America West Airlines" somewhere in plain view on the aircraft, as required per the regs.
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:00 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
So, we have a US plane with an HP callsign for ATC, how is this going to work, I mean, ground control is looking for a HP plane since it has an HP callsign, but the plane is in total US colors?

Probably not much different than having three different carriers with three different callsigns flying around in US Airways Express CRJ-200s that look exactly alike. Ditto for the three ERJ-145 operators, and so on.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 19):
It will most likely have the words "USAirways" on the top, and have the words "Operated by America West Airlines" somewhere in plain view on the aircraft, as required per the regs.

Yes, it will say that, but in tiny letters near the door, not helpful to anyone viewing the aircraft from afar. Starting January 4, they hope to be using the America West name as little as possible.
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:27 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 17):
So which has more power, and which is more fuel efficient? IAE or CFM?

depends on the dash model of each engine. Both put out relatively the same amount of thrust 25,000 pounds. IAE claims better fuel efficiency but not by much.
 
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:58 am

Will America West be branded on the aircraft, or will it say US Airways?
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:07 am

When do they plan (or do they plan to) integrate the certs to be one US Airways?
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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
So, we have a US plane with an HP callsign for ATC, how is this going to work, I mean, ground control is looking for a HP plane since it has an HP callsign, but the plane is in total US colors?

There was the same issue when SWISSAIR and CROSSAIR merged to form Swiss International Airlines. They had the SWISS name and the old CROSSAIR abbreviation (LX). I don't know about the callsign. There were aircraft in the Swissair livery, all three Crossair liveries, and the new Swiss livery, so you can imagine it must have been a bit confusing. But it all worked out in the end as I'm sure this will.

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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:27 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Is there any functional difference between the IAE and CFM engines? As in, will the pilots know or care that they are flying one or the other?

Also, is there any aesthetic difference, so will spotters like me be able to tell the difference?

Functionally, not a very noticeable difference. Due to a small weight and fuel burn difference, different range charts are required.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 17):
So which has more power, and which is more fuel efficient? IAE or CFM?

v2500, TSFC at cruise: 0.575 (lower is better)
http://www.alair.com/Commercial/v2500.html
CFM-56, TSFC at cruise: 0.596
http://www.alair.com/Commercial/cfm56-5b.html

I'm suprised HP/US is standardizing on the CFM. The V2500 usually has a longer life between overhauls and lower fuel burn. Market trend has been towards the V2500.  scratchchin  GE financing? An improvement in the CFM-56 that I'm unaware of? Hmmm...

On topic, I think the new US livery is better than the old HP.  box 

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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting MGB80 (Reply 21):
Both put out relatively the same amount of thrust 25,000 pounds.

Modern IAE and CFM engines for the A320 put out 27,000 pounds and for the other A320 series planes between 21,000 and 33,000.

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RE: N679AW 1st HP Plane In US Colors

Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:46 am

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 16):
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
So, we have a US plane with an HP callsign for ATC, how is this going to work, I mean, ground control is looking for a HP plane since it has an HP callsign, but the plane is in total US colors?

If ATC is looking for the plane they'll be able to pull the colors off of the IFR flight plan. Blue and red on white?

No, generally if an aircraft is running in abnormal colors under a different callsign they will call up clearance/ground and let them know. Like when Miami Air was running Air Tran flights they would say "Lauderdale Ground, Citrus 771, we're in Miami Air colors"

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