captaink
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AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:44 am

What was the seat picth on AA when their featured MRTC? Looking on their website it says that currently their 738s and 772s sepcifically feature 33/34in seat pitch which is quite generous on their part (US A330 feature this legroom and it is a selling point), while the A300s and 752s feature around 32in seat pitch. I know that the A300s and 752s had MRTC until removed sometime ago, was the same done for the other birds in the fleet?
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:54 am

Roughly 34-36 inches.

Here is a copy of the original press release.
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:51 pm

Quoting Captaink (Thread starter):
What was the seat picth on AA when their featured MRTC?

Their featured MRTC is simply long GONE. Just a few a/c still have it. Most don't.
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:52 pm

BTW, I consider the MRTC program a marketing failure.
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:56 pm

The MRTC is becoming LRTC again...I had the thrill(sarcastic) of flying on 4 "super" 80s this summer...one had it...the rest not so roomy, and it was even better being in the middle seat in row 28 (damn last minute bookings)
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:31 pm

I think this just shows that customers do not have any idea about seat pitch. You would have expected AA to be full on all flights where they competed with les spacious carriers.but no....The public are to blame and so they cannot now complain when the seats become 28"!!!
 
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 5):
I think this just shows that customers do not have any idea about seat pitch. You would have expected AA to be full on all flights where they competed with les spacious carriers.but no....The public are to blame and so they cannot now complain when the seats become 28"!!!

I agree with you man... But it was awesome flying AA with the MRTC. I didn't care about the food, just enjoyed sitting ina spacious airplane with my legs crossed, working on my laptop or reading something. It was just great. But with a full airplane would AA have been profitable with planes with such less seating?
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:54 am

From my experience, all of AA's aircraft (except the 757s and A300s) still have more legroom than I'm used to on most other airlines. True, it's not quite as much as was available during the MRTC days, but I fly on AA's MD80s a lot (more than any other AA aircraft type) and I still feel that AA's legroom and seat comfort is among the best, if not the single best, in the U.S., even after they added one row of seats back in (after having taken two rows out).
 
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:58 am

It's not as bad as it was before MRTC.

Personally, I think the best standard seat in the coach skies of the US right now is row 29ABC/30ABC/31 BC on DL's 738s. 36" pitch in all those rows Wink
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 2):
BTW, I consider the MRTC program a marketing failure.

I truly believed people liked a lot (specially those taller than 5'10").
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 7):
From my experience, all of AA's aircraft (except the 757s and A300s) still have more legroom than I'm used to on most other airlines. True, it's not quite as much as was available during the MRTC days, but I fly on AA's MD80s a lot (more than any other AA aircraft type) and I still feel that AA's legroom and seat comfort is among the best, if not the single best, in the U.S., even after they added one row of seats back in (after having taken two rows out).

If I recalled correctly, AA had 34 inches of legroom on the AA MD80 with the MRTC. They added one row back, not two which added 2 inches of legroom back, making it now 32 inches of legroom, correct?

Single best? Doubtful, as WN and F9 and B6 all have 33 inches and 34 for the back of B6.

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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 7):
but I fly on AA's MD80s a lot (more than any other AA aircraft type) and I still feel that AA's legroom and seat comfort is among the best, if not the single best, in the U.S., even after they added one row of seats back in (after having taken two rows out).

I fly on AA's MD80's a lot also...they are quite comfortable.......

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 8):
Personally, I think the best standard seat in the coach skies of the US right now is row 29ABC/30ABC/31 BC on DL's 738s. 36" pitch in all those rows

actually AA's emergency exit rows have TONS of room also.. yes .....can't beat them for the price... no 
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:29 am

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 9):
BTW, I consider the MRTC program a marketing failure.

I though it was a brilliant idea in order to establish a difference between AA and lower cost carriers. I am really intrigued by passengers. Price is king,we all understand that. I would like to run a test and pile seats closer and closer while lowering ticket prices. How uncomfortable are they willing to be in order to save $0.01??
 
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 5):
think this just shows that customers do not have any idea about seat pitch. You would have expected AA to be full on all flights where they competed with les spacious carriers.but no....The public are to blame and so they cannot now complain when the seats become 28"!!!

Not really fair, the airlines are constantly making changes and then seat pitch applies to a type of aircraft & not to the other, and of course the airlines can make equipent changes, & then you have code shares which really complicates things.

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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:28 am

As pointed out by several on this thread, only the A300s and 757s went back to their original configuration, that is, pre-MRTC. The MD-80s and 738s all had one row added back, still allowing for more legroom than pre-MRTC. The 762s are getting one row added back now and the 763s were reconfigured entirely to allow for two class vs. three clas cabins. I don't think the 777s have been reconfigured yet... if they haven't already they will be getting one of the two rows added back as well. Although I, too, miss the extra legroom, it is still better than it was before with the exception of the A300s and 757s.

I was also happy the media squarely blamed the loss of MRTC on the fickle consumer. You aren't going to get what you aren't willing to pay for. And that may be one of the reasons AA isn't bankrupt.
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:00 am

I flew recently on AA 767's between MIA-LAX and SFO-MIA, and the seat pitch was horrible in Y class!. The only plus is that the seat seems to recline more and the leather head cushions.

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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:30 am

I stopped taking AA for years post 1995 because the seat pitch was so bad on my LAS-ORD-washington national flight that I vowed never to fly them again. MRTC came along and it was far more comfortable and I was won back. I took them this past March RNO-ORD-CDG and the 757 leg to ORD was back to the sardine can action while the 767 ORD-CDG was a very comfortable flight with noticeable leg room. At present I wouldnt hesitate to take them again longhaul if that feature was still available- though ANYTHING is better than the squeeze you get on VS!
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:41 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
actually AA's emergency exit rows have TONS of room also.. .....can't beat them for the price...

The rows i'm speaking about are not E-rows.
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:21 am

Quoting Amhilde (Reply 16):
though ANYTHING is better than the squeeze you get on VS!

Or any of the tons of other airlines offering 31inch pitch on longhaul...
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:24 pm

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 9):

I truly believed people liked a lot (specially those taller than 5'10").

Truly indeed. But unfortunatelly against AA interests.
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:54 pm

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 14):
I don't think the 777s have been reconfigured yet... if they haven't already they will be getting one of the two rows added back as well.

Many 777's have been here at AFW getting repitched since September. There has been about 3 or 4 aircraft a week dropping in to get the extra rows put in and the cabin reconfigured.
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:43 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 7):
I still feel that AA's legroom and seat comfort is among the best, if not the single best, in the U.S.,

Certainly not compared to United. Looking at narrowbodies (since you say you fly a lot of AA MD-80s), United's Economy Plus has 36" on 757s and A320s and 35" on 737-300s. That is a heck of a lot more room than AA's 738s (31-31"), 757s (31") and M80s (31-33").

Quoting 777Purser (Reply 12):
Price is king,we all understand that. I would like to run a test and pile seats closer and closer while lowering ticket prices.

That is sort of what United does with the upgrades to Economy Plus at the self check-in machines. A person in standard Economy can upgrade to Economy Plus for up to about $25 depending upon the length of the flight. From my understanding this has been a success for United. If somebody wants the extra room they have the option of paying for it (except, of course, United Premiers, who get to sit in Economy Plus anyway).

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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:27 am

Wasnt the 752 and A300's reconfigured b/c the were used on leisure routes and needed to carry more pax?
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RE: AA And The More Room Throughout Coach

Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:29 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 3):
BTW, I consider the MRTC program a marketing failure.

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