rdwootty
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Air Malta Subcontract

Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:34 am

I am travelling on Sat 17th dec BHX-SSH and the flight number is EUK but I am aware the airline will be Air Malta. Anyone advise meals/IFE detail It would be good info......The craft is at BHX? or does it fly in and the operate for the weekend traffic and then go home?If so I supose it will be a fresh crew as to do SSH from BHX is at the outer stretch of the hours Thanks in advance.
Sorry you over the pond but this is a local request!!
 
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RE: Air Malta Subcontract

Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter):
I am travelling on Sat 17th dec BHX-SSH

Great to hear you're going to Sharm. You'll have a ball. I'm planning to go in January again.

Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter):
Anyone advise meals/IFE detail It would be good info

A meal will be served on board and IFE will be provided by drop down screens (but bring a book with you)

Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter):
The craft is at BHX? or does it fly in and the operate for the weekend traffic and then go home?

The aircraft is based in the UK for the winter season AFAIK

Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter):
f so I supose it will be a fresh crew as to do SSH from BHX is at the outer stretch of the hours

It will probably be the same crew doing the inbound and outbound flights. All UK charter carriers have dispensation from the CAA to operate UK-Egypt-UK flights with one crew.

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RE: Air Malta Subcontract

Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter):
am traveling on Sat 17th dec BHX-SSH and the flight number is EUK but I am aware the airline will be Air Malta. Anyone advise meals/IFE detail It would be good info......The craft is at BHX? or does it fly in and the operate for the weekend traffic and then go home?If so I suppose it will be a fresh crew as to do SSH from BHX is at the outer stretch of the hours Thanks in advance.

EUK is the code for Air Atlanta Europe so you could be flying on a 747 enjoy your trip.
 
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RE: Air Malta Subcontract

Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 2):
EUK is the code for Air Atlanta Europe so you could be flying on a 747 enjoy your trip.

It's a subcontract running during the winter season...read the topic heading  Smile But I agree a B747 beats a single aisle aircraft any day.

Also remember the tie-up between EUK and Excel...

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RE: Air Malta Subcontract

Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:45 am

It isn't a subcontract for Air Atlanta Europe. The flight is an Air Malta operation that uses the EUK code for licensing reasons.

As a non-UK, non-Egyptian airline Air Malta are not permitted to operate direct service between the UK and Egypt, if they wanted to fly the route under their own licenses Air Malta would have to schedule a stop in Malta in both directions.

By wet-leasing the aircraft to Air Atlanta Europe for their UK-SSH flights, the service can be flown by Air Malta under Air Atlanta Europe's UK route authority.

Air Malta have aircraft based in both BHX and BRS this winter operating short-haul charters, but the SSH flights use the EUK code for the reasons I've just mentioned.

Not all Air Malta's UK-based A320s have IFE, so come prepared with plenty to entertain yourself...

The crew will operate out and back, it is feasible in a single flight duty period.

Quoting Horus (Reply 1):
It will probably be the same crew doing the inbound and outbound flights. All UK charter carriers have dispensation from the CAA to operate UK-Egypt-UK flights with one crew.

You don't actually require any special dispensation from the CAA, in virtually all cases UK-SSH-UK flights can be operated within a normal max FDP.

At First Choice Airways a level 2 variation was applied to early SSH flights, but this was discontinued some time ago and I can't recall the last time a LXR/SSH/TCP flight went into discretion.

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rdwootty
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RE: Air Malta Subcontract

Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:19 am

Having taken some time to look at Freedom Flights programme I can see what it is all about.KM operate KM flight numbers through the week and then becomes a subcharter to EUK for Sharm on sat and Sun.. the ways of licensing are very mysteious but understandable. I have several good books and will be bringing some Fresh Fruit salad for my tea as I suspect there will be only one meal service. Warm scones and cream would be nice but not an option
 
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RE: Air Malta Subcontract

Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:24 am

At least a meal is included on the longish BHX-SSH service with AirAtlanta/air malta, our tour operator airlines would charge you for a meal even on this 5 hour flight.
 
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RE: Air Malta Subcontract

Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
At least a meal is included on the longish BHX-SSH service with AirAtlanta/air malta, our tour operator airlines would charge you for a meal even on this 5 hour flight.

Funny, because when I go to the Freedom Flights or Excel website to book this flight, the meal is a charged extra. When will you get the grasp it is the tour operator and not the airline that decide on whether you get a meal or not?
 
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RE: Air Malta Subcontract

Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):



Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 7):
When will you get the grasp it is the tour operator and not the airline that decide on whether you get a meal or not?

When Thomsonfly serve Orlando daily from LBA (not DSA) in a 3 class 757, (cos tha s20s are a tad too small) with galley facilites, complimentary on board catering, free onboard bar (Orion doesnt pay!), fully functional toilets, and discounts for senior citizens. And of course the crew must have nice bums and have a complete understanding of charter airlines of yesteryear, and total grasp of the unbound inclusive tour market.

And not a second before!
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RE: Air Malta Subcontract

Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:25 am

Now Now lets have some Christmas Cheer. Especially as I land back on 25th Dec @ 0015 and so to cook the turkey.....ZZZZZZZ

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