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BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:12 am

I don't know if anyone posted this before but I wasn't able to find a similar thread:

http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,98623,00.html
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:33 am

[sarcastic]
Those are the types of passengers you get when your fares are so low or you have too many LCC's where everyone and anyone can fly.
[/sarcastic]
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:34 am

That's pretty poor, isn't it...

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Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:36 am

But now thay are members of an elite club...  Wink
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:39 am

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 1):
Those are the types of passengers you get when your fares are so low or you have too many LCC's where everyone and anyone can fly.

lol

Quoting SK909 (Reply 3):
But now thay are members of an elite club... Wink

True Big grin haha psychopaths. I wonder where they got their money from. They don't seem too bright
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:47 am

Hahaha!

First drink, then have sex, then jailed! Wow interesting holiday! They never had a sight of Jamaica I believe!

Silly British they get SO abusive sometimes when drunk  Smile
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting SK909 (Reply 3):
But now thay are members of an elite club...

Yep - they will now be joining that 'elite' group of people who are banned from flying with BA... I wonder if they think it was worth it...
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:04 am

I am also surprised this doesn't seem to have been posted earlier on a.net as the article is 2 days old  Smile Usually it is difficult to be the first one with the news here
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:09 am

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 1):
Those are the types of passengers you get when your fares are so low or you have too many LCC's where everyone and anyone can fly.

There were in business class, fare hunters don't sit there. This is just a case of a couple being rich, drunk, and stupid.
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:22 am

Some people astound me, I hope they are made to pay the fees that BA incurred in diverting to BDA and are never allowed to fly BA again
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:22 am

>>
But now they are members of an elite club...
<<

Are you sure? They were interrupted and they were
pretty pissed off. The missed membership+alcohol+
stupidity could be the reason for their rage.
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 8):
There were in business class, fare hunters don't sit there. This is just a case of a couple being rich, drunk, and stupid.

You must have missed where i said [sarcastic]

The reason I said what I said was becasue there was an incident a few weeks ago on an LCC (forget which one) and someone here made a remark about how LCC's cause this "caliber" of people to fly. can't find the link right now.
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:51 am

It was an expensive one  Wink
haha
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:58 am

To quote Aerosmith:
"Livin' it up, when you're going down" (from Love in an elevator)
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Speedbirdcrew (Reply 9):
Some people astound me, I hope they are made to pay the fees that BA incurred in diverting to BDA and are never allowed to fly BA again



Quoting RTFM (Reply 6):
I wonder if they think it was worth it...

With landing and repatriation fees, etc. a figure of US$32,000 is being mentioned.

A rather high One Mile High membership fee .... if I may so.
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 11):
You must have missed where i said [sarcastic]

Maybe he doesn't process UBB code sarcastic tags.

Perhaps you should have tried HTML style tags (<sarcastic> </sarcastic>)  

(OK, I know that was really geeky humor)

[Edited 2005-12-12 20:11:59]
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:11 am

Quoting RTFM (Reply 6):
Yep - they will now be joining that 'elite' group of people who are banned from flying with BA... I wonder if they think it was worth it...

Plane tickets : $5000
Drinks on the plane : free
Cost of diverting a 777 : $58,000
Sitting home for a COLD christmas with a hangover, jail charges, $58,000 bill and kicking yourself for being such a idiot for the rest of your life ..: PRICELESS !
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 1):
[sarcastic]
Those are the types of passengers you get when your fares are so low or you have too many LCC's where everyone and anyone can fly.
[/sarcastic]

All he wanted to do was practice some touch and go's...................
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:15 am

Serves them right. Maybe alcahol should be banned from being served on aircraft.
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 1):
Those are the types of passengers you get when your fares are so low or you have too many LCC's where everyone and anyone can fly.

When you have to stop and explain the joke, then maybe it is not all that funny!

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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:19 am

Possibly the most expensive (and very likely uncomfortable) 2-min joy-ride of their lifes! How dumb can you be!
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 18):
Serves them right. Maybe alcahol should be banned from being served on aircraft

Punish the masses for the mistakes of the few!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:48 am

Quoting Desh (Reply 16):

Would you please stop doing publicity for Mastercard ?  Smile
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:53 am

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 1):
Those are the types of passengers you get when your fares are so low or you have too many LCC's where everyone and anyone can fly.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Quote:
Intoxicated, the couple, who were seated in business class, decided to submit their membership for the 'mile-high club' in one of the toilets.
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:55 am

I think the title of this thread is misleading. It is clear from the article that they were arrested because once caught they were abusive - not because they were having sex in the toilet.

I don't see having sex in toilets on an aircraft as being a major crime- if a crime at all. However, there was no need for them to be abusive afterwards.
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:06 am

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 1):
Those are the types of passengers you get when your fares are so low or you have too many LCC's where everyone and anyone can fly.

If you read the article, you'll note that they were seated in Business Class. Last time I checked - Business Class on a longhaul BA flight isn't exactly cheap.

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Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 18):
Serves them right. Maybe alcahol should be banned from being served on aircraft.

I suggest deletion of that post, what in the hell is wrong with you! How else are you going to sit in a tube for 10hrs.

And furthermore for you unmarried people out there, that drink is going to get you one step closer to the Mile High Club!!
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:25 am

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 24):
I don't see having sex in toilets on an aircraft as being a major crime- if a crime at all. However, there was no need for them to be abusive afterwards.

I agree. The problem here should be not the fact that they were having sex in toilet but the fact that they were drunk and became outrageous.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 18):
Maybe alcahol should be banned from being served on aircraft

No need to do such a drastic measure, simply it seems strange to me that a person who is clearly going drunk (you don't get drunk from a moment to the other) can ask for, and obtain, another drink. And please don't come tell me that they were flying business, I don't care. The stupidity of few should not compromise the safety of the hundreds of other passenger.
I hope they'll get billed for this.

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Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 25):
If you read the article, you'll note that they were seated in Business Class. Last time I checked - Business Class on a longhaul BA flight isn't exactly cheap.

Did you read anything after I posted that?

Jeezz I won't joke around on here anymore lol
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:45 am

Werdywerd, are you refering to the Playboy Playmates who got into a pissing match with each other, and then the F/A's on an F9 flight to SAT?

I just wish I was there to....er, break it up.
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:06 am

Maybe the guy's Viagra finally kicked in.... biggrin 
Still, who in their right mind would want to have sexual activity in an aircraft loo?  yuck  Then again, they were allegedy pissed/drunk at the time then acted stupid and abusive when 'caught'. I hope they are grounded for many years on BA and any other airline.
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:10 am

For me personally, using the facilities right after such an "event" would bother me though. The thought that some guy just got finished shooting his wad in the same space, leaves me with a bad feeling that the area is now "unclean."
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet

Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:21 am

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 24):
I think the title of this thread is misleading. It is clear from the article that they were arrested because once caught they were abusive - not because they were having sex in the toilet.



Quoting IDISA (Reply 27):
I agree. The problem here should be not the fact that they were having sex in toilet but the fact that they were drunk and became outrageous.

I agree with you, and I am sorry I didn't make it a little more precise, however, it is difficult to make a title that fits while still being short, and the title of this thread also creates some sensationalism
anyway, I still think that having sex on the toilet was the main cause of all these problems so the title is not totally wrong.

EDIT: btw a danish article I read about this event has a similar title to the article as the one I wrote.
http://gossip.tv2.dk/article.php/3322558.html
I know most of you don't understand it anyway, but maybe some other danish a.netters would be kind to confirm it. Directly translated, it says: "Aircraft made an emergency landing after toilet-sex."
I know this isn't the most trust worthy site anyway, that is why I found an article in english aswell.

[Edited 2005-12-12 22:27:33]

[Edited 2005-12-12 22:28:02]
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:26 am

Maybe the argument started after he couldn't get it up past Mach .50 due to all that booze?
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:39 am

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 24):
I think the title of this thread is misleading. It is clear from the article that they were arrested because once caught they were abusive - not because they were having sex in the toilet.

I agree--it was not the sex that caused the incident, it was the abusiveness post-discovery. I'm generally not in favour of capital punishment, but I think in a case like this it helps society weed out the stupid.
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:52 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 8):
There were in business class, fare hunters don't sit there.

R u kidding ? The biggest fare hunters r the ones who want to sit up front & have to pay for it themselves !!!
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:56 am

thinking about it, maybe they shoould have been given an extra 30 seconds to finish what they were doing, rather than inconvenience everybody on the aircraft with a diversion. Sounds like flight attendants with not much to do, trying to play sky cop.

Being banned from BA is not such a bad thing !!!
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:58 am

Hey, you all, lighten up out there. I completely agree that drunk and abusive people should be punished as these two will be, but as far as having a lay in the loo, that's absolutely a scream (pardon the pun).

Both the Danish TV2 and the Singapore blog quoted "The Sun" of London, I presume, and we all know what a sterling reputation that yellow tabloid has. Anyway, it was a good read, and I don't think our Danish member should keep apologizing, or checking his sources any further.
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 37):
Both the Danish TV2 and the Singapore blog quoted "The Sun" of London, I presume, and we all know what a sterling reputation that yellow tabloid has. Anyway, it was a good read, and I don't think our Danish member should keep apologizing, or checking his sources any further.

thanks!  Smile
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:06 am

From the thread title, I thought someone had sex WITH the toilet...that would definitley call for a diversion and a trip to the looney hospital.

There is nothing wrong with joining the Mile High Club, but once you start beating up the crew, the line is crossed. I hope they bear some if not all of the diversion costs.
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 39):
There is nothing wrong with joining the Mile High Club, but once you start beating up the crew, the line is crossed. I hope they bear some if not all of the diversion costs.

Yeh, but why didn't the crew give them another 15 seconds. They were poms right. It would have been all over & the guy would have been asleep 30 seconds later & apart from mess, no one would have been inconvenienced & they still could have been arrested on the ground where they should have landed not diverted !!!!!!!
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:24 am

The holiday flights to the Caribbean from Gatwick are cheap enough in club - just over a grand a pop. FWIW, I was talking with BA Gatwick long haul cabin crew a while back, who told me that the Kingston flights are pure aggravation with assaults on crew not uncommon.
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 18):
Serves them right. Maybe alcahol should be banned from being served on aircraft.

Any airline that does not serve alchohol on their long haul ops will never see my penny, nor a penny of many people.

Why the hell would an airline stop serving alchohol when only a few dumbasses drink to much. If anything have the F/A's monitor the drink consumption of certain passengers.
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:27 am

If I paid a couple thousands bucks to sit in Business Class and I couldn't sleep because people were doing it, I would ask the flight attendents to tell them to stop.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 40):
Yeh, but why didn't the crew give them another 15 seconds

15 more seconds could lead to 15 more minutes. If it were that obvious, then yes, the flight attendents should have given them 15 more seconds...
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:34 am

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 5):
Silly British they get SO abusive sometimes when drunk

Yes, we do! But I'm not proud of this national trait.

As others have said here, the bad part of what they did wasn't so much the sex in the toilet, as the way they acted after being pulled out of there. Hope they had a good holiday and enjoy paying the diversion cost.
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:14 am

Quoting Propman (Reply 44):
enjoy paying the diversion cost.

Saying they'll be billed the diversion cost & getting money out of them r 2 different things.

Everyone got inconvenienced by diversion !!!
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:15 am

Quoting Propman (Reply 44):
Yes, we do! But I'm not proud of this national trait.

Im proud, its what makes us different from everyone else. Better than been plain old boring.

Good luck to the couple to attempt to pay the unlucky £20,000. Hope it was worth it!!!  Smile
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 40):



Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 40):
Yeh, but why didn't the crew give them another 15 seconds. They were poms right. It would have been all over & the guy would have been asleep 30 seconds later & apart from mess, no one would have been inconvenienced & they still could have been arrested on the ground where they should have landed not diverted !!!!!!!

Making such stupid comments about people based on their nationality is like saying all passengers on Qantas flights must behave like convicts.

PS....I am Australian
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting Traineepilot (Reply 46):
Good luck to the couple to attempt to pay the unlucky £20,000. Hope it was worth it!!!

Bet you they get out of paying it. Hard to gt blood from a stone.
 
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RE: BA: Emergency Landing At Bermuda Due To Toilet Sex

Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 24):
I don't see having sex in toilets on an aircraft as being a major crime- if a crime at all. However, there was no need for them to be abusive afterwards.

Imagine if there was an emergency on the aircraft just at the 'right' moment  wink  .....how would such passengers be expected to follow emergency procedures??