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Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:08 pm

Now that Southwest has been at ISP for some time, and the NYC-area being the nation's largest O&D market, it's inevitable that they would move into another airport. Which airport is the next likely candidate? SWF? HPN? Keep in mind, in the nation's 2nd largest O&D market, Southwest currently serves 4 LA-area airports.

From what I can see, Newburgh/Stewart (SWF) has the greatest potential. It appears to have the greatest potential with its long runway and large master-planned terminal. The SWF catchment area would appear to have a minimal affect on Southwest's existing catchment areas at ALB, BDL and ISP.
http://www.stewartintlairport.com/pdfs/terminal_plan.pdf

As for White Plains (HPN), the demographics of the catchment area are also favorable with minimal impact to the other stations. However, the terminal facilities appear to be limited as are the runways. There also doesn't appear to be a master plan for the airport.

Anyone familiar with Southwest, SWF or HPN, please give your input!
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:29 pm

SWF sounds like a fantastic airport. It seems like a perfect alternate for the crazy EWR, LGA & JFK. We looked at it for international widebody charters.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:31 pm

Well living close to SWF, I would hope that SWF would be Southewest's next choice! SWF is a great airport and it has a great master plan for expansion in the future if traffic picks up.

I have seen Southwest advertising in Poughkeepsie, which is where I live, cituated about 30 minutes from SWF and a semi large city in the state.

Hopefully if Southwest has intrest in another NYC area airport they will choose SWF!

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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:46 pm

It certainly wouldn't be HPN, because HPN has slot issues.
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:47 pm

Quote:
From what I can see, Newburgh/Stewart (SWF) has the greatest potential. It appears to have the greatest potential with its long runway and large master-planned terminal. The SWF catchment area would appear to have a minimal affect on Southwest's existing catchment areas at ALB, BDL and ISP.

It does compete with Albany, and it's on the outer fringes of the Metropolitan area in perhaps the lowest income County of the Area. SWF has been losing carriers recently, it's a great facility but at 55 miles North of Manhattan it's in the boonies.

I know the area well, I shop at the Adams Supermarkert in Newburgh, I've stayed at the Newburgh Airport Courtyard 2-3 times. My Aunt lives in Woodstock Ulster County, the Orange County Region is beautiful but very economically depressed.

Newburgh is a tough sell for airlines though, and Westchester County Airport is out of the question since the nearby Nimbys are very influential.

One thing about SWF, you have to watch out for the deer! They are all over the airport grounds since Hunters can't get in there, you can see deer right in front of the passenger terminal.
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:51 pm

A friend of mine is a pilot with AA and used to fly into SWF a lot back in the early 90s. He thought that, like many metropolitan areas, the sprawl would spread, and SWF would become the New York area's 4th major airport.

HPN and ISP have limitations, whereas SWF has plenty of space and a runway capable of handling widebody aircraft.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:41 pm

Quoting Jmc1975 (Thread starter):
The SWF catchment area would appear to have a minimal affect on Southwest's existing catchment areas at ALB, BDL and ISP.

What are you including in SWF's catchment area? If there's enough demand from the north Jersey/Westchester and north areas, it could work, and I'd love to see WN try it.

But there's no way SWF would have any material draw from New York itself - it would be even less likely than New Yorkers going to ISP. There is no public transportation from NYC to SWF (at least ISP theoretically has a LIRR connection with a relatively cheap cab on the LI end), and taking a cab or black car would be prohibitively expensive, more than offsetting any fare advantage from airlines operating out of the Big 3 airports. You have to keep in mind how few New Yorkers own cars. I guess they could get some draw from the Bronx, but that's about it.

I noticed in the "Executive Summary" of the Master Plan a proposal to extend Metro-North to SWF. Not a bad idea, but again, given how few New Yorkers use the LIRR option to go to ISP right now, I'm just not seeing it as a major draw. Also, there's a problem here in that you don't even have a "one-seat" ride into Manhattan, but have to change at Secaucus Junction for another train to Penn.

(There's a flaw - or at least an oversight - in the Executive Summary. It says that tying into the Port Jervis Line would make a connection to Grand Central Terminal possible. The Port Jervis Line doesn't connect into the rest of the Metro-North system at any point, but connects only to New Jersey Transit's Bergen line. That would allow a transfer to Penn, but none of the NJT system goes to GCT - it all goes to Penn.)

The idea of overseas charters is intriuging, though, especially since they could get around the whole transportation issue by simply packaging in a bus transfer as part of the deal. I don't think they have C&I right now, and the Executive Summary doesn't specifically mention C&I, but since it does mention "international flights" being supported by an expansion of the existing terminal, I'm presuming that unless they plan to limit themselves only to pre-clearance destinations, that they'd address this.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:37 pm

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 6):
given how few New Yorkers use the LIRR option to go to ISP right now

Do you have any numbers? On the relatively-few times I have passed through Ronkonkoma, there seems to be a goodly number of folks wheeling suitcases to the cabs/vans, and I routinely see folks with suitcases on the Ronkonkoma train when I have to connect through Jamaica. Not as many as I see walking over to Airtrain, for sure, but an identifiable number nonetheless.

None of the public-transit routes to the airports are convenient for me from the east side of manhattan, so I usually just try to fly from LGA and usually take a cab there. $25 and 20-30 minutes at the times that I typically go.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:40 pm

I think ExFATboy is right on the money. The competitive environment has changed too much for WN to operate ONLY out of airports such as SWF.

My guess is that Southwest will be in LGA by the end of 2006. As ATA reverts back to primarily charter ops I think WN will take over the MDW-LGA route and maybe DCA. I've seen the connecting traffic generated by the code share alone and I can't see WN giving that up.

Southwest could minimize the systemwide delays by running a stand alone shuttle operation such as DAL-HOU.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:07 pm

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 6):
But there's no way SWF would have any material draw from New York itself - it would be even less likely than New Yorkers going to ISP. There is no public transportation from NYC to SWF (at least ISP theoretically has a LIRR connection with a relatively cheap cab on the LI end), and taking a cab or black car would be prohibitively expensive, more than offsetting any fare advantage from airlines operating out of the Big 3 airports. You have to keep in mind how few New Yorkers own cars. I guess they could get some draw from the Bronx, but that's about it.

I know that Metro-North runs to Beacon, and if there isn't a shuttle bus between the Beacon station and SWF, it wouldn't be hard to start one.

That said, if WN chooses to go into SWF, they could forget about getting much traffic from the city. Why trek all the way out to SWF or ISP when you could fly B6 from JFK, LGA or EWR? Admittedly, WN flies to more destinations than B6, but there are other LCCs serving the big three airports (TZ, F9, FL, etc.) to fill in the gaps.

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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:43 pm

I remember hearing that studies where going on for a MTA rail link to SWF from their regular Hudson line.
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:19 pm

There are 300,000 people across the river in relatively high-income Dutchess County. Not to even talking about Putnam and Westchester in the South. Or Rockland south on SWF side of the river. All these people hate the drive down to LGA or especially JFK. Rocklanders, of course, would rather drive to EWR.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:52 pm

Exactly, SWF would not draw from NYC proper, but there's no need to. I don't think it would turn into a WN hub, but certainly a handful of flights a day would work. Look at MHT -- an hour north of Boston, so it's not really pulling anyone from Boston proper, but the Manchester/Southern NH metro area is decent size and WN has a large operation there (admittedley bigger than SWF, but not THAT different).

As for HPN -- that's laughable! The terminal is too small for them (although perfect for today's use), slot restrictions, NIMBY's on you 24/7, curfews, etc. I personally love that little airport (having grown up 5 miles away), but its not exactly on anyones expansion list, and for good reason.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:59 pm

I think the large charters services out of SWF would be a sound idea, especialy if not going to NY City and would take some load off of EWR. SWF would have no problem handling even the A380 as it is also a base for the NY State Air National Guard and operates a fleet of C-5A's series out of there. (one time going by there, saw 5 of them parked side by side - very impressive).
As to WN at SWF, I don't think so. Other discounters have tried to ops there and have failed. They would be better off going for the ATA slots at LGA but for the slow turnraound and traffic/delays issues.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:32 pm

Well, at 86 miles from ALB it could be a bit close for WN. PVD and MHT are 83 miles. but you have BOS and all it's population in the middle. Based on the latest WN moves, I'd suspect you'd see them jump right into NYC - EWR is the most logical choice if there a couple gates available...
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:33 pm

Quoting FFlyer (Reply 11):
There are 300,000 people across the river in relatively high-income Dutchess County. Not to even talking about Putnam and Westchester in the South. Or Rockland south on SWF side of the river. All these people hate the drive down to LGA or especially JFK. Rocklanders, of course, would rather drive to EWR.

I used to live in Rockland (grew up there) and I flew into and out of SWF once. As options are limited, it's just not a very attractive option for people in the lower Hudson valley. It's just as easy, if traffic is light, to go to EWR, and likely cheaper (although if WN was there, it would change that part of the equation).

As others pointed out, this wouldn't be a draw for NYC passengers. They consider anything beyond the Bronx to be "upstate" and the prospect of driving or taking a train over an hour north to get on a WN flight is really not going to happen for many people.

SWF also has a small terminal and although I-87 runs right next to the airport, I don't remember the roads leading to the terminal being built up enough to handle extra traffic brought in by WN.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
SWF would have no problem handling even the A380

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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:03 am

i don't think WN is the only one looking at SWF. B6 is being asked to come in as well...

Article:
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/a...S/507160304/1003&template=printart


Hopes are higher for Stewart to land lowfare airline
By Craig Wolf
Poughkeepsie Journal

July 16, 2005

NEW WINDSOR — Getting one of the major low-fare airlines into Stewart International Airport is looking more like a question of when rather than whether.

Stewart management said as much this week, and so did JetBlue Airways, one of the leading candidates.

"Newburgh is a location that is very appealing to us and ultimately we would like to serve it," said Todd Burke, a spokesman for New York-based JetBlue. "That said, it's not on the really near-term radar screen."

Contrast that remark with one made in 2001 when JetBlue was a year old and staging all its flights out of JFK International Airport in New York to various destinations. Stewart was too close to JFK.

Back then, Fiona Morrisson, spokeswoman, said, "Stewart's probably not far enough away for us to consider in these early days." But over the last four years, JetBlue has diversified its strategy beyond JFK.

Airlines never say when until the decision is final, said Tanya Vanasse, Stewart's marketing director, who told the Greater Southern Dutchess Chamber of Commerce Wednesday she was confident that JetBlue, Airtran Airways or Southwest Airlines would announce Stewart service in six to 12 months. She softened that timeline Friday after learning that a lawsuit still hampers state plans for a new road into Stewart.

Possible deals

Kevin Schorr of consulting firm Campbell-Hill Aviation Group said it would be easier for JetBlue or AirTran to enter Stewart before the road comes than Southwest, but that lack of the road was "not a deal-breaker" for Southwest.

A spokesman for Southwest had no specifics on Stewart Friday. At AirTran, spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver said, "I can't speak specifically with regard to any of the airports we meet with," but there are "no concrete plans."

"It's just a matter of someone making a wise decision," said Jim Wright, a New Windsor resident who chairs the advisory Stewart Airport Commission. "Everyone in the country is competing for more flights and more seats and more destinations."

U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said in an e-mail: "We are burning up the phone lines," working with Stewart President Chuck Seliga "to lobby JetBlue to choose Stewart Airport and I continue to feel good about our chances."

Friday, the airport said June passengers totaled 35,241, a decline of 14.9 percent from June 2004.

Craig Wolf can be reached at cwolf@poughkeepsiejournal.com
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:24 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 14):
I'd suspect you'd see them jump right into NYC - EWR is the most logical choice if there a couple gates available...

Which airport has more ATC delays, EWR or LGA?
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:05 am

Quoting N200WN (Reply 17):
Which airport has more ATC delays, EWR or LGA?

Thats similar to asking which do you prefer - eating top soil or sticking pins in your eyes?
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:42 am

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 15):
SWF also has a small terminal and although I-87 runs right next to the airport, I don't remember the roads leading to the terminal being built up enough to handle extra traffic brought in by WN.

The roads are big enough to cope, however I don't think there are enough parking facilites.

They could build an extra exit off the Thruway right into the airport near the ANG base, and could also bring a road in off I-84 at the other end of the airport.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:51 am

SWF wouldn't be able to draw the "New Yorker crowd." I definitely see them pulling some people locally such as Westchester, Orange, Putnam, Dutchess and Rockland, but the population there is more or less residential. There is some industry but it's certainly not NYC. The geography of the tri-state area shows very much in the way of large businesses being based in the the five boros, with the outside neighborhoods only being white-fence communities. Additionally, JFK, LGA and ISP are able to cater to Long Islanders (of which there are 3 million). SWF is unable to do this.

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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:53 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Thread starter):
Southwest currently serves 4 LA-area airports

This reminds me to ask something I've been meaning to ask for a long time. It sure seems that WN is a little gunshy (while I'm no WN fan, I certainly understand why) at going into large, international/hub airports, prefering to keep to the feeder airports (see ORD, BOS, JFK/LGA/EWR, DFW, MIA, ATL) so why is it that it serves LAX, and seemingly does fairly well there?
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:00 am

Im trying to find the article right now but the Chairman of the Port Authority was quoted in an article about Jetblue's new EWR service that he expected WN to serve EWR within the next two years.

WN got burned bad by B6 with JFK, WN has been kicking themselves ever since because of their decision to fly to Islip instead of JFK which was wide open at the time. Jetblue cut them off from the NYC market by serving JFK, that was a major factor in WN's decision to go into PHL instead of Allentown or Atlantic City.

They (WN) can't compete with the Jetblues and Airtrans flying to these airports 55 miles outside of the region when B6 and FL are flying right into congested airports like DCA, LGA, EWR, BOS and making tons of money.
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:14 am

All of this makes me wonder what Southwest Airlines and ATA have for long term plans at La Guardia?

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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:47 am

I would bet that we see WN at LGA in the next few years. I have seen a lot of people take the ATA codeshare LGA-MDW. Id say out of LGA, WN could make MDW, BWI, and HOU work very well.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:31 am

I am looking at this and wondering why has no one mentioned TTN or Trenton, this airport is wide open only Pan Am serves it currently. I am sure the Democgraphics are favorable it is midway between Philadelphia and Newark. Plainsboro one of the highest towns for per capita income is nearby. Traffic in NewJersey is a nightmare and the poulation is shifting South to where it is more affordable meaning around Trenton
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:16 am

Quoting ComatMan (Reply 25):
I am looking at this and wondering why has no one mentioned TTN or Trenton

I don't think this would be likely. I would see them at ABE or ACY before TTN
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:16 am

Quoting ComatMan (Reply 25):
I am looking at this and wondering why has no one mentioned TTN or Trenton

NIMBYs. TTN doesn't want service.
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:27 am

Quoting ComatMan (Reply 25):
I am looking at this and wondering why has no one mentioned TTN or Trenton

I was thinking about TTN myself, and add West Windsor, Lawrenceville, Hope-
well and Princeton to the high per-capita list. We've seen lots of carriers
try and fail at TTN, but I wonder if they didn't use the proper aircraft and
serve the key business markets. No one ever used RJs (unless US F-28s
are considered such) at TTN, and most services only went as far as DC, PIT,
and BOS. In such an affluent market I'm sure there are many business people
who would like to avail themselves of RJ service out to Cleveland, Detroit,
Chicago and Atlanta. Situated between PHL and EWR, TTN's location makes
it a challenge to offer a competetively priced (yet profitable) product.
Agreed, the NIMBYS are a bit of an annoyance, but its almost a Catch-22
situation with the expansion of the terminal. The County doesn't want to
expand it until they land a carrier like WN, while any prospective carrier
wants to see a decent sized terminal before they commit themselves.

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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:11 pm

Northern Fairfield County in CT is also drawn to Newburgh. From Danbury it's only a 50 minute ride to SWF, much shorter and stress free than driving to anywhere else in NYC, or even Bradley for that matter.

I enjoy flying from SWF when I can.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:04 pm

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 23):
All of this makes me wonder what Southwest Airlines and ATA have for long term plans at La Guardia?

Read on...

Quoting N200WN (Reply 8):
Southwest will be in LGA by the end of 2006. As ATA reverts back to primarily charter ops I think WN will take over the MDW-LGA



Quoting ComatMan (Reply 25):
I am looking at this and wondering why has no one mentioned TTN or Trenton

Think DET.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 22):
Jetblue cut them off from the NYC market by serving JFK, that was a major factor in WN's decision to go into PHL instead of Allentown or Atlantic City.

That was certainly the driving force. Some think it was to kill off US, but if that were the intent I think WN would have entered PIT and CLT a long time ago. Herb said this summer (while on a station visit) that the end seemed near for US in '04 and they wanted to be in place to pick up a substantial number of gates.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:29 pm

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 24):
I would bet that we see WN at LGA in the next few years.



Quoting N200WN (Reply 8):
My guess is that Southwest will be in LGA by the end of 2006.

Would this have any effect on Islip? I would hate to loose Southwest to LGA.
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:30 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 18):
Quoting N200WN (Reply 17):
Which airport has more ATC delays, EWR or LGA?

That's similar to asking which do you prefer - eating top soil or sticking pins in your eyes?

HA HA! too funny

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 24):
I am looking at this and wondering why has no one mentioned TTN or Trenton

Much as I like SWF and their plan, TTN does seem a more plausible choice. I tried SWF just because I wanted to try something new and the airfare was identical. But, one can't build an airport on the preferences of a bunch of air nerds. It was a schlep from Essex County. I do agree, on the other hand, that TTN has the better demographics, and is within close range of both Phil. and northern NJ metro populations. Compete with the hassles of EWR and PHI, and they could be at least as successful as HPN or ISP. As for Allentown, I don't think it's as forward in the minds of the average Jerseyan.

Rumored 4th PANYNJ airport? I suggest Morristown. Nimbys are everywhere, choose the least of evils or cut political deals to make it happen.

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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:45 am

Eastwind had service from TTN to ATL, and couldn't make it.

The problem with service from TTN now is that most people in the catchment area are frequent flyers with either CO from EWR or US from PHL.

If TTN could attract some kind of scheduled charter (USA 3000 and Hooters spring to mind), that may kickstart service, but you have to get over the Nimby problem with the snobs of Princeton, West Windsor and Lawrenceville to the north and Newtown, Langhorne, Yardley to the south.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:18 am

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 1):
SWF sounds like a fantastic airport. It seems like a perfect alternate for the crazy EWR, LGA & JFK. We looked at it for international widebody charters.

Does SWF have an international arrivals facility within the main passenger terminal?
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:30 am

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 15):
They consider anything beyond the Bronx to be "upstate" and the prospect of driving or taking a train over an hour north to get on a WN flight is really not going to happen for many people.

Considering ISP's geographical location VS Manhattan and whatnot, ABE seems to be the most logical/balanced choice, sans just going straight at LGA.

Quoting Floorrunner (Reply 26):
I don't think this would be likely. I would see them at ABE or ACY before TTN

The TTN argument has been fought many times, including a whole thread about it entitled something like "WN to leave PHL." That horse is dead, and TTN lost.

Quoting Rampart (Reply 32):
As for Allentown, I don't think it's as forward in the minds of the average Jerseyan.

Then tell them to get out of our mall's parking lots.  Wink Considering a large chunk of Lehigh Valley folk work in Jersey, and more and more Jerseyans are moving here for the relatively lower cost of living... I still think this option is possible. We've got the gates/facilities already (unlike a TTN), and we surely don't have the congestion or NIMBY's of any other option in the NYC-area sans SWF. TTN is a PHL option, not an NYC option. ABE can be both, and there are already tons of people from here who drive to EWR for flights, so I can't see a reason why the migration wouldn't be mutual. ISP for Long Island residents, ABE for Northern NJ residents, RDG/AVP area residents, and even some Harrisburg residents (no LCC's there and alot closer than PHL or even BWI), northern Philly suburban, and Lehigh Valley residents themselves (approaching 700,000 on our own), and NYC proper folks can split out at their convenience.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:48 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 33):
Eastwind had service from TTN to ATL, and couldn't make it.

Was that nonstop service? Thought they one stop service through one of
the NC cities - was it GSO or RDU? I live fairly close to TTN and those
Eastwind 732s were pretty noisy. Later on they had at least one CFM56
equipped 737 which was much quieter. Eastwind had service to BOS and
while I was working in Jackson Twp I would see their aircraft almost following
I-195 inbound and outbound, avoiding the airspace around the upscale areas
of northern Mercer County.

Most of the noise issues do come from the people over in PA in the Bucks
County area since they are under the path of departures from runway
24. Modern RJs would probably have minimal noise impact on those people.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:26 pm

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Eastwind had service from TTN to ATL, and couldn't make it.

I thought that all the nonstop eastwind service was out of GSO and that all TTN was a one stop through GSO as GSO was the pseud-hub for the 5 planes they had.
 
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RE: Southwest's Next NYC-area Airport? SWF?

Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:38 pm

Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 37):
I thought that all the nonstop eastwind service was out of GSO and that all TTN was a one stop through GSO as GSO was the pseud-hub for the 5 planes they had.

All ATL service on Eastwind was from GSO. TTN had GSO, BOS, and I think MCO at one time. If i remember correctly, from GSO they flew to TTN, BOS, PHL, ATL, RIC, MCO, PIE, FLL, TPA, and MIA...although not all at the same time...
Also, am I getting BOS confused with BED, or and I thinking of S5?