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Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:47 am

What are everybody's thoughts and insights into US Airways future at FLL? Obviously US has cut a number of routes from FLL since the spring and Spirit has gotten much more aggressive with its Caribbean expansion. Moreover, despite Delta's financial woes they haven't budged from their #1 position at FLL, and Jet Blue isn't scaling back operations either. WN remains steady as well and AA while dropping some Int'l routes plus BOS is still a major presence at the airport. Is it possible that the new HP/US management will just pull the plug on FLL?
 
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:08 am

FLL is a unique airport where every airline is able to run fairly large sized operations. Why? Everyone wants to go there, plain and simple. That being said, I think HP/US will pull the plug on the focus city, only serving, CLT, PIT, PHL, EYW, MCO, DCA, NAS, PHX, LAS, LGA, BOS, and PVD seasonally...so I think a large presence will remain, but it will not be what it is now.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:24 am

Dropping FLL all together is out of the question for US. AA has MIA dominated from the Northeast's standpoint: BOS and JFK, and all points in between. Although, B6 has made great progress in BOS with more flights to come. B6 will service FLL and PBI by early 2006. Delta service will most likely decrease out of BOS as well with the folding of SONG. BOS is to be a focus city for the "New US" and dropping a warm weather route and cruise capital would be a terrible idea. Although speaking in terms of serving FLL, just not as a focus city...that is a good idea  Smile
 
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:32 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Thread starter):
Is it possible that the new HP/US management will just pull the plug on FLL?

The remaining international flights (there's only 5 of them) are quite profitable as it is, so I doubt that US would get rid of them. The reason the other routes were pulled last year were due to a combination of lack of aircraft and lack of time to make some of the other routes profitable. Whether the new management wants to try to expand further at FLL or not, that's still up in the air.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:34 am

Quoting 9KBOS (Reply 2):
BOS is to be a focus city for the "New US" and dropping a warm weather route and cruise capital would be a terrible idea.

Didn't stop them from dropping BOS-TPA/MCO/PBI/MIA/RSW/etc.  Silly

For that matter, they had dropped BOS-FLL until last February.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
Didn't stop them from dropping BOS-TPA/MCO/PBI/MIA/RSW/etc.

For that matter, they had dropped BOS-FLL until last February.

True....hopefully they will be able to hold on to FLL this time around, or until their next trip to Chapter 11!
 
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:16 am

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 1):
FLL is a unique airport where every airline is able to run fairly large sized operations. Why?

Because airline management is STUPID!!! Management is focusing on load factors and market share, which doesn't matter. Yields matter. FLL has crappy yields to its major destinations. Check it out on faremeasure.com. An average yield of around 8 cents to Boston, 10 cents to NYC. Yield below 12 cents for a majority of the big markets from FLL. This looks like a good place to add more flights, NOT.

Why so many airlines are adding flights to FLL is beyond me. They need to quit worrying about market share and start thinking about making money. US was stupid to try and make FLL a focus city in the first place. Everyone else was already adding flights like crazy, then US decided to add a focus city. Scaling back FLL makes sense. Move the aircraft somewhere else where they can get more than 10 cent yields. Let B6, DL, NK and the rest of them bleed red ink competing for market share.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:22 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 6):
Because airline management is STUPID!!! Management is focusing on load factors and market share, which doesn't matter. Yields matter. FLL has crappy yields to its major destinations.

You might want to check on the FLL-SDQ/KIN/MBJ/CUN yields. Not so crappy.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 6):
An average yield of around 8 cents to Boston, 10 cents to NYC.

Which is why US operates 1x daily BOS-FLL flight and 2x daily LGA-FLL, compared to its competitors. They're just for international conx and people who will pay a premium to fly US. Exactly why US left the BOS/LGA-Florida markets.

The US focus city at FLL was never aiming for low-yielding, northeast-to-Florida pax.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:44 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 7):
You might want to check on the FLL-SDQ/KIN/MBJ/CUN yields. Not so crappy.

Where can I find them? I'd be interested in seeing those if you could show me where I can get information to figure out the yields.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 3):
The remaining international flights (there's only 5 of them) are quite profitable as it is

How would you know this? Looking at your profile I can't figure out how you would know the performance of those routes.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:47 am

Where exactly does US fly from FLL?
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:49 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 8):
How would you know this?

Just take his word on it, they are quite profitable.

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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:06 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 10):
Just take his word on it

Why?
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:17 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 11):

Why?

Hahhahhahahahaha

this is funny
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:08 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 8):
Where can I find them? I'd be interested in seeing those if you could show me where I can get information to figure out the yields.

Sorry, I was being tongue-in-cheek, the DOT doesn't release that data. But if you take a look at the fares in the international markets, you can easily see that even the cheapest available fares have yields much stronger than your northeast-to-FLL markets.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 8):
How would you know this? Looking at your profile I can't figure out how you would know the performance of those routes.

Not counting what I might happen to hear elsewhere, they've publicly commented on the performance of the routes in conference calls and to the media and stated why they kept the routes they did as opposed to the ones they didn't. They've also added capacity in the markets they've kept, a further indication of their performance.

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 9):
Where exactly does US fly from FLL?

BOS 1x 319
CLT 7x mainline
CUN 1x 319
DCA 5x mainline
EYW 3x E70
KIN 1x 319
LGA 2x 319
MBJ 1x 319
MCO 1x E70
PHL 7x mainline
PIT 2x mainline
SDQ 2x 319

The CLT/DCA/PHL/PIT routes add/drop frequencies and change equipment pretty regularly; everything else is pretty constant. BDL and BWI have had occasional Saturday flights.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:34 pm

A330323X: Sorry if I got a little heated earlier. I haven't heard their conference call, so I don't know what they have said about those routes.
Didn't their plan initially have more service to the northeast? If that is what they have pulled then it makes sense. I'm also surprised that they have 3 flights to EYW. I figured there would be some demand from the northeast to EYW, but I wasn't expecting enough to fill 3 E70s.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:52 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 14):
but I wasn't expecting enough to fill 3 E70s.

A lot of it had to do with performance of the former plane on the route (CRJ). The loads haven't been too bad on the 170. Of course, all that matters is the yield, and not how full the plane is.

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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:09 pm

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 1):
I think HP/US will pull the plug on the focus city, only serving, CLT, PIT, PHL, EYW, MCO, DCA, NAS, PHX, LAS, LGA, BOS, and PVD seasonally...so I think a large presence will remain, but it will not be what it is now.

Actually, what you see now is what we'll be seeing for a while. They've right sized the operation to a steady level. HP management isn't very fond of FLL, however, which is why this winter's planned expansion was pulled.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:11 pm

I forgot to mention above, PSA has applied with the DOT for authority for literally every open skies country in the Caribbean and Central America. That does seem to indicate that they'll seriously considering adding additional international Express flying, presumably at FLL. If you'll recall, the original FLL focus city announcement had PSA flying 3x FLL-NAS and 1x FLL-PLS (both of which they already hold the authority for), but they never started due to the CRJ deliveries stopping during bankruptcy. Since the mainline fleet will be stagnating for a few years, but the Express fleet should be growing a bit, adding Express routes does seem to make some sense. And to rotate the aircraft down there, new international Express routes would be coupled with a few new domestic Express routes, which would also provide feed. I also heard that US is considering restarting service to MTH, but I don't know if that would be from FLL or not, if it happens.

Oh, and in my list of flights above, I didn't mention that HP flies 2x FLL-PHX and 1x FLL-LAS.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 14):
Didn't their plan initially have more service to the northeast?

There were initially dailies to EWR/BDL/BWI as well. Those were cancelled when the other international routes where cancelled, as there was no need for the planes to be in FLL then. (The planes were routed like EWR-FLL-SAL-FLL-EWR, and so on.) But they were all just 1x daily, just for the international conx.

What I think you're talking about is that they did initially plan 3x BOS and 5x LGA, and CLT/PHL/PIT had a few more frequencies too. Those were indeed reduced for the reasons you mentioned, that the local O&D traffic was too low-yielding and there were better opportunities for the scarce planes elsewhere.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 14):
I'm also surprised that they have 3 flights to EYW. I figured there would be some demand from the northeast to EYW, but I wasn't expecting enough to fill 3 E70s.

The EYW flights do pretty well, and were upgraded from 3x CRJ. They do fill up as much as possible, though they take a slight hit due to EYW's short runway. (The CRJs took a much worse hit, due to both the runway length and max landing weight, they were usually limited to ~34 pax per flight.) And FLL-EYW is now the only destination US serves EYW at, though CLT/DCA flights were rumored before the EMB-170 deliveries stopped. Before, US served EYW with far more prop flights from TPA/MIA, so 180-200 seats isn't too much there. (And before that, US even sent mainline F28s into EYW.)

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 14):
I haven't heard their conference call, so I don't know what they have said about those routes.

Don't worry, you're not missing much. They hold an earnings call or investor presentation every other month or so. They're generally an hour of drivel, and hopefully one or two pieces of interesting information.  

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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:44 am

What are the chances of us seeing FLL to either Port Au Prince or Grand Cayman on US? Those would fit the niche' that US has created from FLL to Caribbean destinations with lots of O&D from Broward County. I know it is tough to get authority to fly to Haiti but has US applied for it?
 
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:59 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 18):
What are the chances of us seeing FLL to either Port Au Prince or Grand Cayman on US? Those would fit the niche' that US has created from FLL to Caribbean destinations with lots of O&D from Broward County. I know it is tough to get authority to fly to Haiti but has US applied for it?

I haven't heard anything at all about PAP. US does hold U.S.-Haiti authority, but that doesn't mean much; US holds authority to most all of the Caribbean islands. I don't think they'll be flying there, that would really surprise me.

The previous hot rumors were FLL-POS if they add a new Caribbean destination, FLL-MGA if they add a new Central America destination, and FLL-LIM if they decided to try something in South America. (US already holds U.S.-Trinidad & Tobago authority and U.S.-Nicaragua authority, but not U.S.-Peru authority.) Right now, I'd consider POS to be the most likely. Among existing US destinations, I think MEX and PUJ are possibilities for mainline FLL service should they decide to expand. And I've heard that the on-again, off-again FLL-BDA route will be on-again this year; I still for the life of me don't understand why they dropped that in the first place.

I think FLL-GCM is very possible. I think it's actually among the most likely new destinations if they do decide to send PSA to the Caribbean, which I mentioned above. I don't think they'll be sending mainline down there right now, though. US has been very, very slow in restoring GCM capacity following Hurricane Ivan. In January, they'll finally restore daily CLT-GCM service, as well as Saturday PHL-GCM service. (All of the MIA/FLL-GCM frequencies allowed for in the U.S.-U.K. bilateral covering the Cayman Islands have been allocated to AA and NK. That being said, I think that US would likely be able to obtain frequencies on an extrabilateral basis, relying on the principles of comity and reciprocity.)
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:43 am

Fort Lauderdale yields.

Here, for your amusement, are the yields on the top 100 domestic markets to and from FLL:

ORIGIN/DESTINATION/YIELD (CENTS PER MILE)/LGST CARRIER/MKT SHARE

Ft. Lauderdale, FL New York, NY 11.73 B6 39.13
Chicago, IL Ft. Lauderdale, FL 10.57 AA 25.69
Boston, MA Ft. Lauderdale, FL 10.09 DL 43.89
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Washington, DC 13.24 B6 26.79
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Philadelphia, PA 12.30 US 44.41
Atlanta, GA Ft. Lauderdale, FL 26.41 DL 71.63
Detroit, MI Ft. Lauderdale, FL 12.96 NK 47
Baltimore, MD Ft. Lauderdale, FL 12.84 WN 48.82
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Los Angeles, CA 7.92 AA 51.6
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Hartford, CT/Springfield, MA 11.25 DL 69.65
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Tampa/St. Petersburg/Lakeland, FL 40.58 WN 99.4
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Las Vegas, NV 7.31 DL 44.07
Denver, CO Ft. Lauderdale, FL 9.95 F9 38.37
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX Ft. Lauderdale, FL 15.06 AA 76.53
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Providence, RI 10.64 NK 49.79
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Jacksonville, FL 24.91 WN 99.54
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Minneapolis/St.Paul, MN 12.34 NW 51.61
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Islip/Long Island, NY 10.79 WN 94.81
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Indianapolis, IN 12.93 TZ 39.55
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Pittsburgh, PA 13.61 US 66.3
Atlantic City, NJ Ft. Lauderdale, FL 12.57 NK 99.23
Buffalo, NY Ft. Lauderdale, FL 10.32 US 23.89
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Phoenix, AZ 9.46 HP 48.03
Ft. Lauderdale, FL St. Louis, MO 13.92 AA 47.53
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Milwaukee, WI 11.83 YX 69
Cleveland, OH Ft. Lauderdale, FL 16.70 CO 73.84
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Kansas City, MO 10.77 DL 29.41
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Houston, TX 19.49 CO 75.15
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 44.88 WN 92.9
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Nashville, TN 18.83 WN 74.58
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Salt Lake City, UT 7.65 DL 76.6
Charlotte, NC Ft. Lauderdale, FL 25.34 US 79.43
Ft. Lauderdale, FL San Francisco, CA 7.67 DL 26.21
Ft. Lauderdale, FL New Orleans, LA 22.25 WN 82.3
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Seattle, WA 7.15 AA 26.57
Cincinnati, OH Ft. Lauderdale, FL 17.55 DL 89.77
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Manchester, NH 9.86 WN 51.9
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Rochester, NY 10.99 FL 53.32
Albany, NY Ft. Lauderdale, FL 12.05 US 34.9
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Long Beach, CA 6.58 B6 94.81
Ft. Lauderdale, FL San Diego, CA 8.97 DL 25.94
Columbus, OH Ft. Lauderdale, FL 16.79 US 36.17
Flint, MI Ft. Lauderdale, FL 11.26 NW 61.03
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Syracuse, NY 12.01 US 33.51
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Gulfport/Biloxi, MS 16.20 FL 93.68
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Norfolk, VA 17.47 WN 48.47
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Memphis, TN 21.71 NW 68.26
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Raleigh/Durham, NC 21.88 WN 39.74
Burlington, VT Ft. Lauderdale, FL 11.37 B6 51.04
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Portland, OR 7.43 DL 35.87
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Omaha, NE 12.17 NW 23.05
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Santa Ana, CA 8.91 AA 34.39
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Sacramento, CA 7.72 AA 27.91
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Grand Rapids, MI 13.55 NW 34.96
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Oakland/Berkeley, CA 7.89 WN 29.75
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Reno, NV 7.36 AA 28.82
Akron/Canton, OH Ft. Lauderdale, FL 13.58 FL 57.88
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Louisville, KY 18.52 DL 47.69
Austin, TX Ft. Lauderdale, FL 18.15 CO 35.28
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Tallahassee, FL 33.61 DL 98.71
Ft. Lauderdale, FL San Antonio, TX 16.95 CO 41.89
Dayton, OH Ft. Lauderdale, FL 14.45 DL 54.18
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Tulsa, OK 14.73 DL 53.78
Birmingham, AL Ft. Lauderdale, FL 25.41 WN 48.32
Ft. Lauderdale, FL San Jose/Palo Alto, CA 7.96 AA 35.5
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Richmond, VA 20.74 DL 49.01
Albuquerque, NM Ft. Lauderdale, FL 11.03 WN 27.85
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Ontario, CA 8.74 CO 23.43
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Oklahoma City, OK 15.35 CO 31.28
Des Moines, IA Ft. Lauderdale, FL 13.68 DL 27.64
Allentown, PA Ft. Lauderdale, FL 12.40 DL 50
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Greensboro/High Point, NC 24.57 DL 61.86
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Portland, ME 12.08 DL 55
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Knoxville, TN 23.51 DL 59.88
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Myrtle Beach, SC 22.57 NK 65.55
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Harrisburg, PA 16.91 US 60.21
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Little Rock, AR 17.22 DL 52.81
Eagle, CO Ft. Lauderdale, FL 14.89 AA 41.22
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lexington/Frankfort, KY 20.93 DL 78.32
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Madison, WI 13.89 NW 39.74
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA 14.77 US 62.6
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Tucson, AZ 14.20 AA 32.97
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Newport News/Hampton/Wmsburg, VA 16.12 FL 56.66
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Toledo, OH 13.04 DL 81.33
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Jackson/Vicksburg, MS 21.34 DL 57.2
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Wichita, KS 12.88 DL 40.81
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Greenville/Spartanburg, SC 30.95 DL 66.34
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Spokane, WA 8.10 HP 29.22
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Newburgh, NY 10.67 US 75.54
Columbia, SC Ft. Lauderdale, FL 27.20 DL 74.81
Asheville, NC Ft. Lauderdale, FL 25.73 DL 51.58
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Green Bay, WI 13.33 NW 47.8
El Paso, TX Ft. Lauderdale, FL 12.70 AA 36.59
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Ft. Wayne, IN 15.35 DL 58.91
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Moline, IL/Davenport, IA 13.62 FL 46.34
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Indio/Palm Springs, CA 10.12 AA 47.36
Boise, ID Ft. Lauderdale, FL 9.33 DL 50.94
Colorado Springs, CO Ft. Lauderdale, FL 11.43 AA 28.61
Erie, PA Ft. Lauderdale, FL 12.35 US 51.74
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Huntsville/Decatur, AL 23.38 DL 83.12
 
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 19):
I still for the life of me don't understand why they dropped that in the first place.

Because American Airlines started Miami-Bermuda service. They got the revenue guarantees for flying the service, while US Airways' lost theirs. MIA-BDA has been doing far better than FLL-BDA ever did, thanks obviously to connections, but also a huge marketing campaign in Miami by the Bermudan tourism board and American Airlines. I've never seen a new route advertised by AA so much.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:49 am

Is there a chance that FLL can become a hub again for US? I heard that it was impossible for them to connect passengers due to terminal layout constraints.

So is there a chance to bring US's whole operation under one roof with immigration etc.?
 
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:22 pm

Does anybody have a list of the cities that have been dropped from FLL by (SAL,GUA,SJO)?  Smile
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:50 am

How old is that information? FLL-TLH has not been served by AirTran in 2 years and they are still listed as an airline on the route.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:13 am

Quoting Fsuwxman (Reply 24):
How old is that information? FLL-TLH has not been served by AirTran in 2 years and they are still listed as an airline on the route.

I think you are mistaking the FL after Tallahassee for Air Tran instead of Florida  Wink .
 
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:39 am

Burlington, VT Ft. Lauderdale, FL 11.37
> I smell a 190 to my home airport.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:22 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 22):
Is there a chance that FLL can become a hub again for US? I heard that it was impossible for them to connect passengers due to terminal layout constraints.

A hub in the sense that it was before? With 10-12 flights arriving all at the same time then departing all at the same time? No, that'll never happen again. It's obviously the ideal model for maximum connectivity, but the facilities just could not handle it, not at all. Any further expansion would be more spread out through the day.

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 22):
So is there a chance to bring US's whole operation under one roof with immigration etc.?

No, that's not going to happen.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 23):
Does anybody have a list of the cities that have been dropped from FLL by (SAL,GUA,SJO)?

The original *announcement* last August was:
BDL 1x
BOS 3x
BWI 1x
CLT 7x
DCA 4x
EWR 1x
EYW 4x CRJ
LGA 5x
MCO 1x CRJ
PHL 9x
PIT 3x
TPA 1x CRJ

CUN 1x
GUA 1x
KIN 1x
NAS 3x CRJ
PLS 1x CRJ
PTY 1x
SAL 1x
SDQ 1x
SJO 1x
SJU 2x

What actually *started* in February was a bit less, due basically entirely to aircraft shortages, since deliveries stopped when they entered bankruptcy:
BDL 1x
BOS 1x
BWI 1x
CLT 8x
DCA 4x
EWR 1x
EYW 3x CRJ
LGA 2x
MCO 1x CRJ
PHL 9x
PIT 3x

CUN 1x
GUA 1x
KIN 1x
PTY 1x
SAL 1x
SDQ 1x
SJO 1x
SJU 2x

And I posted what they have now up in Reply 13. In several steps between then and now, a bunch of markets were cancelled, and some got additional service. PTY/SAL were the only two cities completely dropped from the US network. [I heard they're apparently looking at PHX-SAL service now, though I wouldn't bet on it.]
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:23 am

Thanks for the clarification... I just scanned the list...
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting Fsuwxman (Reply 24):
FLL-TLH has not been served by AirTran in 2 years and they are still listed as an airline on the route.

airTran never served FLL-TLH. They flew MIA-TPA-TLH.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:47 am

Are the Saturday flights to BWI, PVD and BDL still running?
 
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:37 am

Additionally, I thought AA had a focus city at FLL? Do they still classify FLL as a focus city?

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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 30):
Are the Saturday flights to BWI, PVD and BDL still running?

PVD hasn't seen them in a long while. BWI/BDL still get them occasionally, they're not in the schedule for the next few months. All of the Saturday Northeast-Florida flights come and go; the point of the flights is to increase aircraft utilization, so when there's no plane sitting at a station, there's no flight to Florida. And as the fleet has shrunk, there are fewer planes in general sitting around on Saturday.
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RE: Future Of US Airways FLL Focus City

Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:06 am

AA at one time considered FLL a focus city. Not sure if they do anymore. Maybe MAH, knows.............he can give us an update on AA @ FLL.

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