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NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:39 am

I'm wondering if anyone can say for a fact if their company received the RFP from NW. I know that ZW did, but the feeling is that so did many other regionals and that this is going to be a very competitive bid. The RFP is due back in January, no word on when NW will get back to the bidders......so, who else received it?
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:53 am

How do you know that ZW received it?
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:54 am

It will come out but believe me I know.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:01 pm

I don't need to say that I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope for this!!!

I bet it would be for CRJ-705s.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:02 pm

I was hoping for the EMB 175
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:07 pm

Yes, I think it (the -175) is a nicer airplane too. But given our current structure I can imagine that they can make a more competitive bid with the Bombardier product. All pilots would be qualified on all aircraft. Also, I bet aquisition costs are lower on the CRJ-705.

Who knows though. Keep your fingers crossed.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:10 pm

Just as long as we see growth......the only bad thing against us is that Bedford was the CEO of Mesaba....he might be the golden child.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:14 pm

I dunno. We used to be the Golden Child with United. Look at how quickly that changed.

I make no predictions. Try not to think about it. It will be a pleasant surprise if something happens otherwise if we don't it will be disappointing. Well, it will be disappointing anyway if someone else gets it.........

I am back to work on Friday. I have a line for next month with min days off. Nice. Actually, other than that it is not a bad schedule - if I lived there.

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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:15 pm

At least you are a line holder at this point. One of my mates is back on reserve.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:42 pm

I'll try to dig around and see if we (YV) got a RFP or not. Although I have my doubts that NW would seek us out.
 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:50 pm

Anyone think Skywest received an RFP?
 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:57 pm

Why is ZW putting people on reserve? US flying not ramping up as quickly as the United flying is being pulled down? Seems like ZW has quite the gig from PHL now... Concourse F'ed is full of Air Whiskey.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:59 pm

We will always have reserves. Our flying with US Airways is on schedule. Now, if you talk to our reserves we don't let them sit very long......right now in PHL most people are on reserve 2-3 months. We have another class starting in January, they might be on reserve longer. But we also have a high turn over rate right now....so many of our crews commute from the mid-west, it's very hard to get to PHL from MLI, SPI and other places.

I'm hoping Skywest didn't get the bid! But that's just me. Skywest is a great airline, I just don't want a lot of competition!  biggrin 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:12 pm

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 12):
so many of our crews commute from the mid-west, it's very hard to get to PHL from MLI, SPI and other places.

And it's too expensive for those folks to live out here, considering the differences of cost of living, unfortunately. Good luck to those folks though!
 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:22 pm

AWAC is axing flights right now due to lack of crews, how are we going to handle any growth? We don't even have enough sim time to upgrade people.


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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:52 pm

I wonder the same thing about the lack of crews. They got behind the power curve, so to speak. Now they can't keep up with attrition and getting ahead will be tough. Even so, I think that if we had the prospect of Midwest flying again I think that some attrition would reduce. Also, it would be easier to recruit new crew members.

I still think of moving out to DCA, but the cost is numbing. I will wait 'til spring to decide. We should know more then.

I do think that the company is hiring aggressively enough that they will start to catch up in the next few months. But they sure did underestimate the feelings of the employees and the limits to how much they would be willing to take.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:01 am

For any of you PHL-based AWAC crews... living in the ABE area is cheaper than PHL... but everything is relative. I know many who drive from here down 476 to the PHL area, but if you're used to places like MLI, even the Lehigh Valley's cost of living will make your head spin... it did to mine after my time around PIT and VPZ even.
 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:04 am

If we were to open up a PIT domicile I think there would be some happy people. It is cheaper to live there and it is a nice airport.

Well, it is not all happy at ZW, but there is one neato thing - I am climbing the seniority list pretty quickly!!!  Big grin
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:09 am

Once we stop flying for UA I don't think the shortage will be that bad. We are kind of spread thing right now. Of course we are still hiring. I don't think that we knew the attrition rate was going to be as high as it is with pilots....with FA's we knew, it's not worth commuting, but for pilots it's easier - not what they want but easier. Come March I don't think it will be as bad. How long do you have to be here before you can upgrade?
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:15 am

I have been here 20 months. It is difficult to estimate, but I think that within 12 months I will be close to upgrade if not already there. Depending on the situation I have thought of sitting on the right seat until I can hold a good line as a captain. We'll see though.

The upgrade at any airline depends on many things and times were at ZW that it took 10 years to upgrade. There were othere times when it only took a few months. This was the case when they still operated the Dornier 328.

I also think that you are right that the pilot attrition will ease up somewhat in the next few months. Still, it is hard to estimate. The fact is that some larger, more attractive airlines are hiring and most people will be taking better jobs if offered.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:20 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 2):
It will come out but believe me I know.

You mean to tell me I'm soon going to have to log some of the Air Whiskey aircraft as NW Airlink, after I have logged them once as UA Express, some as AirTran Jet Connect, and US Airways Express????

I mean, it's good for the photographers who sell their pics but a pain in the a** for us spotters who log an a/c by color scheme as well as registration!
 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:24 am

I think he means that AWAC has received the RFP (Request For Proposal). Not that AWAC is getting the flying. THAT is a whole 'nuther story. Anyone can bid on the flying.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:36 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 17):
It is cheaper to live there and it is a nice airport.

Significantly cheaper to live in PIT. I never realized how good I had it there until I left, lol.
 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:33 am

About the captain upgrades. Currently our most junior captains are still in the 9000 range employee number wise. I don't know where either of you guys are on that list for upgrades. I do know to help speed up the process they just put a bunch of capatins through check airman class to get us more check airmen for IOEs.

Based on what I have seen in dispatch, I would say mechanic shortages are killing us more than crew shortages, basically not enough mechanics brought in, and too many airplanes to work. Obviously MKE and ORD mechanics for the most part wouldn't relocate, and we are trying to hire in PHL, but cost of living is making it difficult out there. There has been a fair amount of attrition on the pilot side, guys not wanting to commute to PHL, plus guys who were flying the 146 who were scared to death to fly the crj. But a lot of former 146 guys are now starting to fly CRJ's and most of them are pretty good people to work with. DEN closing will help us there.

As for the RFP, I think we have a much better chance of putting in a competitive bid for Airlink than United Express. Why do I say this? Because when we put out our United bid, we had to keep the same cost structure, the same crews, and everything, where as other carriers not flying could come in and bit it as incremental growth, which saves money. Thats why GOJet, Skywest, and Mesa eventually got the flying. With Airlink, its a very similar case. Both Mesaba and Pinnacle have the same type of structure as we did with United, which will make it more difficult for them to put in a competitive bid. Where as we can come in, and since our 70 existing RJ's are tied up with USAir for 10 years, we can bid on the flying as incremental growth. That would keep our costs down, and allow us a greater chance of landing the flying. Our ATW HQ is a perfect location, we can keep the hangar open rather than lose a bunch of great mechanics, and the rumors about us moving out of ATW would be squashed. Plus DEN is a much easier commute to MSP or DTW, since many of our crews still commute from DEN. We shall wait and see.

And about the new hire classes. I have seen them come through ATW in packs. And the good news for you is I have seen a lot of hot girls in these classes.
 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:35 am

And one other thing to remember that might work in ZW's favor. ZW CEO Geoff Crowley worked at NW one time. While there he was the guy responsible for the NW/KLM alliance, which to call it successful would be an understatement. Hopefully NW hasn't forgotten this.
 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:04 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 24):
and we are trying to hire in PHL, but cost of living is making it difficult out there

Another reason for a crew/mx domicile in Pittsburgh. Hint, ZW management.  Wink
 
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:07 am

Apodino,

I hope you are right!!! We'll see what happens, but working for NWA would be great.

I do know a pilot for NWA who is a DC-9 captain and he has told me that they will defend their flying. Anything we get would be DC-9 replacement flying and NWA will have to hang a pretty big carrot in front of their pilot group's nose to make them accept this. He has said they are pretty PO'd about it and don't really want to see their group get smaller yet.

In the end it really is the race to the bottom. Sort of.

BTW, I sure don't want to see ZW leave ATW. It is my hometown and I could even maybe imagine commuting out of there. The irony is that I just moved to MSP because the commute out east is too tough from ATW.

One more thing - the employee number thing is interesting. But the seniority number is more telling and accurate. I think there is a huge gap in employee numbers. I am in the 13000s and the guys in the upper 9000s were hired only a few months before me. I think they are in the 16000s now. I am about mid-pack among F/Os, probably in the upper half now.
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RE: NW Airlink RFP, Who Received It

Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:03 am

Well, as for the hot girls......does nothing for me, but if we have some hot guys coming in, that works!! I am not a pilot for ZW but work with a lot of let here in PHL. I was just wondering what our numbers looked like. I do hope that we are able to offer a competitive bid for this NW flying. I don't want anyone to lose their jobs but at the same time I want our company to get as much flying as possible. I very much want to see ZW with more larger planes.
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