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Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:51 pm

According to a chinese newspaper,

1) Terminal 2 (Extension of the current terminal which is the world's largest single infrastructure) will be completed by 2007

2) The Hong Kong Airport Authority will consider a 3rd runway and if it goes on, it will be completed by 2010

3) We are expecting a total number of 45 million passengers in 2005 (especially the WTO). By 2010 the Hong Kong Airport Authority predicts a total number of 60 million + passengers. By then they will start building terminal 3 the X shape terminal

Good news for Hong Kong!
 
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:53 pm

I can't wait for the X shaped terminal!

Do we really need a 3rd runway though? Traffic isn't exactly heavy these days, but then again, I'm comparing it to Kai Tak...
 
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:25 pm

Hi mate! Yes we do. We are enjoying double digits of increase in traffic/number of passengers. Will reach 60million+ no of passengers in 2010. This year around 45 million.

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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:14 am

Where will the third runway be placed?


Any renderings of the runway or the extended terminal?
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:26 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 3):
Any renderings of the runway or the extended terminal?

Here's my stick figure rendering, the "Y" is the current terminal and North is to the right:

X

Y

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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:49 am

The master plan for HKIA

http://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/aboutus/pdf/MP2020.pdf

I don't think that it is building a terminal 2, instead it is just extension of the current terminal (the check in area) to the left and right. No mention of third runway on the plan though but it will be very interesting if they really build one
 
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:02 am

It was mentioned in the newspaper I read. It was Mingpao.

They can always reclaim land.
 
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:39 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 3):
Where will the third runway be placed?

&

Quoting Calvin99 (Reply 5):
No mention of third runway on the plan though but it will be very interesting if they really build one

Unless they want to build a crosswind runway, a third parallel would have to be built north to the existing ones. That means: "In the waters".

Going for a wide-spaced 3. runway would mean to build it about 1.5 km or 1 mile from the existing one:
- How deep are the waters out there ?
- How much more blocking to naval traffic would an artificial island mean that extends up to 2 km further into the passage between CLK and Tuen Mun ?

Alternative would be to build a narrowspaced 3. runway in the waters directly oustide the current island.
However such a narrowspaced 3. runway would not allow idependent op´s on these two runways.
OTOH there ARE airport who operate with such runway systems quite well.

A narrowspaced 3. runway would also allow HKG to always have 2 runways available should one of the older ones need to be repaired ...
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:20 am

That's Wy Hong Kong CLK its the most beautiful airport... Do you have any aerial pictures...?
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:46 am

The Terminal 2 they are building is a checkin terminal only, no gates. The complex will also have office buildings, china bus terminal asia's larges 3D/4D cinema and a viewing area.

Dont know the details of the viewing deck yet just that its higher than the terminal. May be ok for 25R and general spotting but pics may be rather tough. The other question is... open or behind glass?

Other news at CLK:

DHL are already going to make a phase two for their freight complex and yes phase one only opened last year!

The 2nd hangar at HAECO is now under construction and already fully booked for its 1st year!!!!

Biz jets are getting out of hand and the BAC will have to expand their apron and there are talks of a second hangar. Now based in Hong Kong:

G200 x 4
G450 x 1
Global Exp x 1

Confirmed:

G200 x 2
Global Exp x 1
CL604 x 1
G450 x 1
BBJ x 1

As you can see thats 12 local biz jets. There is also talk of a new company starting Net Jets Asia in Hong Kong.
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:15 am

Quoting HT (Reply 7):
Unless they want to build a crosswind runway, a third parallel would have to be built north to the existing ones. That means: "In the waters".

Going for a crosswind runway will mean you are building a causeway filling up the entire waterway between Chek Lap Kok and the mainland ... not to mention both ends will be the lower slopes of quite steep hills.  rotfl 

And that runway will be pretty much useless because all it will ever get will be crosswinds.

Quoting HT (Reply 7):
Going for a wide-spaced 3. runway would mean to build it about 1.5 km or 1 mile from the existing one:
- How deep are the waters out there ?
- How much more blocking to naval traffic would an artificial island mean that extends up to 2 km further into the passage between CLK and Tuen Mun ?

That would mean half the waterway will be filled up, from memory it is not very wide at all, maybe 3-4km?

Naval traffic would be an interesting question ... I don't think that many ships use that waterway, but didn't they build Tsing Ma Bridge so that large container ships can pass under it?
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:24 am

Quoting N754PR (Reply 9):
The Terminal 2 they are building is a checkin terminal only, no gates. The complex will also have office buildings, china bus terminal asia's larges 3D/4D cinema and a viewing area.

Surely you forgot the most important part of the new "terminal" - the shopping areas! It ain't called Skyplaza for nothing.

The mind does boggle somewhat - developers are throwing up shopping centres left, right and centre - do we really need another one 35km from the city centre?!?!?
 
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:25 am

A little visual reference

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/MarshalN/CLK.jpg

Now... if they build a crosswind runway, then wouldn't you be able to place it at the western end of the current island? That'll still leave plenty of space. Question though is how are they going to do the construction work there while keeping the current runways open?
 
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:30 am

Thanks for that visual reminder MarshalN ... I always thought the western end of the airport lined up with the power station on the other side ... a crosswind runway now makes perfect sense!  Big grin

Quoting Xwizard (Reply 11):
The mind does boggle somewhat - developers are throwing up shopping centres left, right and centre - do we really need another one 35km from the city centre?!?!?

That's exactly what I thought. But it could be a specialist shopping centre like a factory outlet or something which people will go a distance for ... we have similar plans here in SYD for a factory outlet centre on airport land.
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:39 am

Quoting Xwizard (Reply 11):
The mind does boggle somewhat - developers are throwing up shopping centres left, right and centre - do we really need another one 35km from the city centre?!?!?

Seems like they can't get enough of it. I don't really understand either, but then, there is a growing population living along the Tung Chung line that can use a nice, big shopping center near them.

What I always wondered is -- do the boutiques in HKIA make money? Can it really support a Bulgari, a Cartier, a Ferragamo, a Hermes?
 
 
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:27 pm

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
1) Terminal 2

Not a terminal as already mentioned. AA advertised it as a new terminal. Their PR company should be fired for misinformation.

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
2) The Hong Kong Airport Authority will consider a 3rd runway and if it goes on, it will be completed by 2010

No definite plans yet. And absolutely no chance by 2010. It takes ~10 years to plan and build it.

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
By then they will start building terminal 3 the X shape terminal

AA will put it back to as late as it can. The cargo apron meanwhile takes priority.

Quoting HT (Reply 7):
crosswind runway

Rationale behind is capcity increase. Crosswind runway does not provide this if not even reduce current capacity. One end of any potential crosswind runway will be straight into the hills on Lantau ie only one end operational. The other end would go straight into congested Chinese airspace into the path of Shenzhen departure/arrivals. No chance.

Quoting HT (Reply 7):

- How deep are the waters out there ?
- How much more blocking to naval traffic would an artificial island mean that extends up to 2 km further into the passage between CLK and Tuen Mun ?

Water is very deep so will cost a fortune to reclaim any land for a new runway. Naval traffic is of the least concern.

Quoting HT (Reply 7):
A narrowspaced 3. runway would also allow HKG to always have 2 runways available should one of the older ones need to be repaired ...

Not really. Not possible to operate dependent/independent narrow parallels in Hong Kong. Terrain.
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting Xwizard (Reply 11):
The mind does boggle somewhat - developers are throwing up shopping centres left, right and centre - do we really need another one 35km from the city centre?!?!?

I'm pretty sure that Hong Kong residents are not the intended target for such shops. They're targeted at people who want a last chance to shop before going home, who need a diversion while transiting, or whom, because of busy work schedules while in your fair city, have no other chance to pick up gifts for the partner/kids or other necessities during their trip.

I hope they open a CitySuper in the new building. Nothing like a sack of gourmet groceries when I walk in the door after a trip to put extra-big smiles on the faces of spouse and sprog.  present   kiss   hyper 

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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 16):
Water is very deep so will cost a fortune to reclaim any land for a new runway. Naval traffic is of the least concern.

But the original airport didn't stop anybody, it cost a fortune.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 16):
Not really. Not possible to operate dependent/independent narrow parallels in Hong Kong. Terrain.

You sure? I'm just guessing, but wouldn't it make sense when they planned the airport for the possibility of a third runway?

Quoting PEK18R36L (Reply 17):
I hope they open a CitySuper in the new building. Nothing like a sack of gourmet groceries when I walk in the door after a trip to put extra-big smiles on the faces of spouse and sprog.

I definitely second that!
 
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:50 am

It is hard for me to see a potential for a crosswind runway. They would only be able to operate it from Northwest, due to the high mountains at Lantau island. So they cannot to landing og takeoffs at the same time on it.

A third runway should definitely be a parallel runway build on reclaimed land, but is there a need for it? Airports with similar pax traffic in Europe works with two runways, and remember that HKIA has less aircrafts movements, because of the huge amount of widebodies. Extending the curfew one or two hours could also be a short term solution. Most traffic already ceases at 11pm.

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 14):
Seems like they can't get enough of it. I don't really understand either, but then, there is a growing population living along the Tung Chung line that can use a nice, big shopping center near them.

They already have a modern shopping center in Tung Chung, but perhaps that isn't enough  Smile
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:20 am

There will be super shopping mall , airport city, 4D cinema etc coming.

I am sure everything I mentioned will be built eventually. Not sure when.
 
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RE: Hong Kong CLK International Airport News

Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:30 am

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 8):
Do you have any aerial pictures...?

Search A.Net´s database ! Big grin

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 10):
but didn't they build Tsing Ma Bridge so that large container ships can pass under it?

Yes.

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 18):
Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 16):
Water is very deep so will cost a fortune to reclaim any land for a new runway. Naval traffic is of the least concern.

But the original airport didn't stop anybody, it cost a fortune.

From what I understand, the water gets considerably deeper outside the now reclaimed area. Therefore more land reclamation would become increasingly mroe expensive.
That´s also the reason why I brought in the idea of a "narrow spaced 3. runway north of the existing island" in here.
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