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747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:26 pm

I know Boeing has selected Evergreen Aviation Technologies Corporation (EGAT) together with various suppliers to convert 3 747-400 passenger aircraft into the 747 Large Cargo Freighter (LCF) for transporting fuselage components for the 787 program, much like Airbus' A300-600ST Beluga.

My question is when did Evergreen Aviation Technologies Corporation get involved in the aircraft development and conversions business? I know they are a joint venture between Taiwanese-carrier EVA Air and General Electric and are one of the world's top aircraft maintenance contractors with many customers, but I had no idea they've entered the aircraft development and conversions industry. Do they do regular freighter conversions as well, or is this 747 Large Cargo Freighter project a first for them?









When can we expect to see the first "Boeing Beluga?"

Also, where will the 787's fuselage be built since this aircraft will be used mainly to transport the 787's fuselages to Everett?

I know Airbus uses the A300-600ST Beluga to transport aircraft components between various suppliers and the two main assembly locations, Toulose, France and Hamburg, Germany.

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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:32 pm

The first 744 to be converted recently entered the hangar after long storage sitting outside the hangars.

The second 744 to be converted is still sitting outside the hangars although in the last 3 weeks or so there has been some activity around it as well.
 
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:36 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 1):
The first 744 to be converted recently entered the hangar after long storage sitting outside the hangars.

The second 744 to be converted is still sitting outside the hangars

anyone know the history of the a/c - who operated them previously ?
 
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:53 pm

Two of them were operated by China Airlines, which Boeing purchased.

I think the third one was operated by BR? I'm not too sure.
 
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
Does (Evergreen Aviation Technologies Corporation) do regular freighter conversions as well?

Are they the ones doing the 747-400 passenger to freighter conversions?
 
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:17 am

Boeing Rocketdyne? I thought Rocketdyne only did propulsors. And now they're a unit of UTC.
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:22 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Are they the ones doing the 747-400 passenger to freighter conversions?

BCF is TAECO in Xiamen, Mainland China
LCF is Evergreen, Taiwan
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:47 am

Quick note, thanks BA for a great posting with great pictures. I wish more people could start threads in a manner consistent with this one.
 
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:56 am

One is ex-China Airlines B-18271 and is now N249BA. This is the one sitting outside the hangar. The other is ex- B18272 and is now N780BA. This is the one now in the hangar. Here is a link to a photo:


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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:56 am

I beleive the first 744 already had it's top removed in prepartation for the major bulbous top to be grafted on the lower part of the fuselage.
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:50 am

the 3rd is an AirChina bird B2464
 
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:08 am

I take it that no one has access to these planes to get pictures from the process?? It would be pretty cool to see a picture or a number of pictures from this. Hopefully in the future, one of the companies involved will share about the process.

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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:16 am

Is there any more photos on the net, because this looks very interesting.

How will the join the new fuselarge to the main plane.

Tom.

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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:26 am

Thanks a lot for all the info. I can't wait to see the real thing.

Does anyone know what livery will look like?

They should call it "787 Transporter" or something catchy like that.  Smile

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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:54 am

Wonder what the contingency plan is if for some reason these don't work. Boeing has a lot riding on these three planes.
 
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 14):
Wonder what the contingency plan is if for some reason these don't work. Boeing has a lot riding on these three planes.

Indeed, I guess chartering a couple Volga Dnepr AN-124s is always an option, although very costly for Boeing in the long run.  Smile

Does anyone know where the 787's fuselage will be constructed? I think this is the first time a Boeing aircraft built at the Everett plant will have its fuselage built elsewhere. The reason I say this is I believe the 737 fuselages are built in Wichita, Kansas...

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong though.

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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:46 am

Does anyone have the length, height and width of the cargo department? Maybe A380 parts would fit inside. In that case, Airbus could buy two of them and paint "A380 inside" on them  hyper 

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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:49 am

Quoting A350 (Reply 16):
Maybe A380 parts would fit inside.

I like that Idea.. You need a 747 to build an A380...not good PR for Airbus, N'est pas?
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:51 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 17):
I like that Idea.. You need a 747 to build an A380...not good PR for Airbus, N'est pas?

Exactly my thoughts.  Smile
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:55 am

Quoting BA (Reply 15):
Does anyone know where the 787's fuselage will be constructed?

I believe that the major fuselage assemblies will be built in Vought's Texas and new South Carolina factories. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 19):
I believe that the major fuselage assemblies will be built in Vought's Texas and new South Carolina factories. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And Italy..it'll be shipped to SC to be mated up with the rear (I think) fuselage and then flown to Everett.
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:41 pm

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
My question is when did Evergreen Aviation Technologies Corporation get involved in the aircraft development and conversions business?

I could be wrong but didn't Evergreen convert another 747 for firefighting duty.

dh
 
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:48 pm

Quoting BA (Thread starter):

Also, where will the 787's fuselage be built since this aircraft will be used mainly to transport the 787's fuselages to Everett?

Mostly in Italia... then integrated in SC.

Quoting BA (Reply 15):

Indeed, I guess chartering a couple Volga Dnepr AN-124s is always an option, although very costly for Boeing in the long run.

Negatory... the AN124 isn't big enough for the 787's fuse, I don't think.

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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:36 pm

Boeing Commercial Airplanes Washington
Airplane development, integration, final assembly, program leadership

Alenia/Vought Aircraft Industries Italy, Texas
Horizontal stabilizer, center fuselage, aft fuselage

Spirit Aerosystems Inc. Kansas, Oklahoma
Fixed and movable leading edges, flight deck, part of forward fuselage, engine pylons

Fuji Heavy Industries Japan
Center wing box, integration of the center wing box with the main landing gear wheel well

Kawasaki Heavy Industries Japan
Main landing gear wheel well, main wing fixed trailing edge, part of forward fuselage

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Japan
Wing box

These are some of the things I think might be on the Mega747.
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:52 pm

To bad the A380 parts wont fit inside. Before they got there Belugas you use to be able to say. Every Airbuses first flight was on a boeing. They use to fly those old Super Guppys.
 
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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:35 pm

Quoting Aerlinguscargo (Reply 21):
I could be wrong but didn't Evergreen convert another 747 for firefighting duty.

They sure did:

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RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production

Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:30 pm

The Evergreen they are talking about here is EIA (Evergreen International Airlines) and not EVA.
EIA will supply some crews and Cargolux sum, I think 90%-10%.