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Take A Sneak Peak Inside A 747-8

Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:00 pm

When passengers first enter a 747 today through door No. 2, they can't help but notice a galley, hardly an inviting sight. There is not much room.

This space has been rearranged for the passenger version of 747-8. The interior is much more open. A large circular "skylight" is just inside the entrance, which features a curved wall that hides the galley.


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Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:06 pm

The "Dreamlav"?

Who thought of that???

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Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:46 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):
The "Dreamlav"?

it is dreamy all right.... a lot better than what we can get now.

I still cant picture the sky beds in the "attic". I need to see a graphic of a 747 to see that empty space where they can fit all that.

I am wondering if airlines would use it for F passengers free of charge or charge a premium to any passernger to use those sky suites.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:52 pm

That DreamLav looks awesome...I somehow doubt we'll be seeing it any time soon though. Looks kind of far-fetched.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:04 pm

Actually that toilet looks like a great place to do some business or thinking.

Size wise it would conform with access laws for those with disabilities. The floor is something we would never see on a U.S carrier but we can already see on CX's A333s. Best business experience in my life on a plane.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:08 pm

What they need is a pressurized dream pod to discharge unruly passengers in flight without the annoyance or inconvenience of a diversion. It would have a barometric parachute release that would discharge at 5000 feet and the pod itself would start to depressurize as to not kill or harm the offenders upon opening once landed.

Would have been the perfect solution for the 'sex rage' couple.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:30 pm

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Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Size wise it would conform with access laws for those with disabilities. The floor is something we would never see on a U.S carrier but we can already see on CX's A333s. Best business experience in my life on a plane.

Was it you who wrote in your report "are these TILES I see on the floor"? I seem to remember you were with your wife.

The size of the lav is impossible though, who would give up that much space for non-revenue stuff?
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:34 pm

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 3):
That DreamLav looks awesome...I somehow doubt we'll be seeing it any time soon though. Looks kind of far-fetched.

I was actually fortunate over the summer to get a tour of the Systems Concept Center (or was it the Payloads Concept Center? Can't remember the exact name. Anyway..), a semi-independent organization within Boeing that comes up with these kind of innovations. They're a think-tank of sorts that are given the reign to operate a little outside of the "normal Boeing infastructure". I actually walked into the model lav shown and can tell you that it's fully functional. They also had a shower of sorts that operated on a very small amount of water. It was something alone the lines of 40 ounces or around there. The way they showed us, it was basically a human carwash of sorts. You walk in, you are sprayed with a mist of water, you are given the chance to lather up, and then you are rinsed off. In the same compartment, you have jets of hot air to dry you off. Basically, you walk in, go through several stages, and then walk out into a changing room. It's not a full-shower of sorts, but it's enough to get you clean and refreshed. It's quick, it's draws a relatively-low amount of power, and it operates on the amount of water that goes into a bottle of Aquafina! Wow!

Another concept that is being looked at is separate male/female facilities that cater to the individual requirements of the respective sexes.

The SCC (PCC?) also demonstrated several other features that they are looking to implement in cabins in the next 3-5 years, but unfortunately, they remain in the realm of Boeing Proprietary/Limited information. If any of you have any questions concerning Boeing cabin enhancements, please feel free to contact me. I will do my best to answer your questions while remaining within the confines of the non-disclosure agreement I have signed.

These kind of concepts are already feasible and can be implemented virtually instantaneously, it's just a matter of airlines spending the money for them. They're really not as far-fetched as you may think...

[Edited 2005-12-15 07:40:58]
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:24 pm

How much can you stuff that poor 748, looks to me that obesity hits Ewerett....

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Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:16 pm

That 747-8 looks so nice! It really deserves a lot of orders! I hope they will come soon!
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:24 pm

That lav looks like the ones on Virgin Trains on the Voyager and Pendolino trains! (minus the faux tiles on the floor)
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:29 pm

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 5):
What they need is a pressurized dream pod to discharge unruly passengers in flight without the annoyance or inconvenience of a diversion. It would have a barometric parachute release that would discharge at 5000 feet and the pod itself would start to depressurize as to not kill or harm the offenders upon opening once landed.

Would have been the perfect solution for the 'sex rage' couple.

would you have put them both in one pod ?
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:32 pm

I think these interior "previews" from Boeing and Airbus are to "inspire" the big public & everybody influenced by them.

After that the airlines come in to make the expensive airframe profitable..

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Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:38 pm

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 5):
Would have been the perfect solution for the 'sex rage' couple

Unless they were over the ocean, might want to put in a life raft or some water wings in that pod  Wink
 
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RE: Take A Sneak Peak Inside A 747-8

Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:23 pm

Is that a hole in the floor or am I seeing that wrong?

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Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting Dakar (Reply 15):
Is that a hole in the floor or am I seeing that wrong?

I think it's a polished wood floor?
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:04 am

Quoting Dakar (Reply 15):
Is that a hole in the floor or am I seeing that wrong?

Yes, and its probably on the Upper Deck.
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:19 am

Looks nice to me. I don't any airline would really opt for that. What would make more sense is that the crown area is used for the galley and the meals are bought down via an elevator. That way the main deck is freed up for more revenue seats.
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:08 am

From the article:
"But this extra overhead space gives the 747-8 an advantage over the bigger A380 from Airbus, Eggink said.

The A380 has two passenger decks that run the length of the plane. There is no more room above the upper deck. So any additional space that airlines want to carve out for passengers would have to come from the plane's cargo hold or by removing seats from the A380 cabin"

I don't really get this part. Airbus could empty part of the upper deck so that there would be room for some "innovative space", and yes, they would have to remove seats if they wanted to do so, but isn't that the same with the Boeing? If you want to use the upper deck as an executive lounge, then you have to take out some seats aswell..! ??
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):
I don't really get this part. Airbus could empty part of the upper deck so that there would be room for some "innovative space", and yes, they would have to remove seats if they wanted to do so, but isn't that the same with the Boeing? If you want to use the upper deck as an executive lounge, then you have to take out some seats aswell..! ??

No; these features will use crown space above the main cabin, aft of the true upper deck, which was previously used for cables, wiring, and air ducts. The idea is that Sky Suite customers will sit in Y for takeoff and landing, since the crown area has no emergency exit capability, then move to their suites during cruise. For the A380, any similar product would require removing an equal area of existing seating.

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Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):

Nope, Boeing is using the crown space behind the hump for this stuff. You can't put regular seats in there because there is no emergency exits. However this space could be used for sleeping berths and crew rest areas (like the 777). I think the most realistic use would be galley space and crew rest areas, think of how much room that could free up down below. Probably 4-5 rows of Y if you put the galleys above
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting NorCal (Reply 21):
Probably 4-5 rows of Y if you put the galleys above

If that is possible then can the 748 carry 500 passengers in a 3 class layout?
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:39 am

The upper deck bunks are probably one of the few "aircraft design ideas" that have a chance of making it into real planes. They would provide an airline with enhanced First features, or provide additional revenue to Business or Y customers that wanted to pay for the space. They also don't take away from revenue generating space like most designs we see for "planes of the future".
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 20):
No; these features will use crown space above the main cabin, aft of the true upper deck, which was previously used for cables, wiring, and air ducts. The idea is that Sky Suite customers will sit in Y for takeoff and landing, since the crown area has no emergency exit capability, then move to their suites during cruise. For the A380, any similar product would require removing an equal area of existing seating.



Quoting NorCal (Reply 21):
Nope, Boeing is using the crown space behind the hump for this stuff. You can't put regular seats in there because there is no emergency exits. However this space could be used for sleeping berths and crew rest areas (like the 777). I think the most realistic use would be galley space and crew rest areas, think of how much room that could free up down below. Probably 4-5 rows of Y if you put the galleys above

ahh.. thanks guys! I misunderstood it  Smile
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:15 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 24):
ahh.. thanks guys! I misunderstood it

while you misunderstood it, your point is still valid.

why does using the crown that was dead space make it any better than using part of the upper deck of an A380 that wasn't dead space?

The fact the 747 has dead space is a "design flaw" that Airbus didn't build into theirs. The A380 doesn't have that dead space, so the airline has a choice: seats or perks. 747 has perks as an afterthought, 35 years after the original perks as an afterthought since the plane wasn't initially certified for seats in the upper deck. just like now, they offered lounges and such because they had dead space.

I love the 748 as a better looking jet, and as a great design, but reclaiming dead space doesn't make it a better option than the A380. Unless the 747 can hold real seats up there, it's always going to be less flexible than the A380 in that regard.
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RE: Take A Sneak Peak Inside A 747-8

Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:33 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25):
I love the 748 as a better looking jet, and as a great design, but reclaiming dead space doesn't make it a better option than the A380. Unless the 747 can hold real seats up there, it's always going to be less flexible than the A380 in that regard.

I have to agree with you there, and thankyou for sharing your knowledge about the "dead space"
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:44 am

If you can't put extra seats there because of egress issues, how can you put lounges/sleeping berths? What are the regulations on this matter?
 
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Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 27):
If you can't put extra seats there because of egress issues, how can you put lounges/sleeping berths? What are the regulations on this matter?

Since there are no parachutes on commercial airplanes the only time you need to worry about egress is during takeoff and landing. The regulations do not allow the lounges/berths to be occupied during takeoff and landing and everyone must be in a seat where emergency egress is assured.

The only exception I know of is the 777 Overhead Flight Crew Rest where there are seats have been certified for occupancy during takeoff and landing.
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