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747-8 Interior Details From Seattle P-I

Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:50 am

Read all about it!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/251973_air14.html

Also, for those who didn't see it earlier, here is "Father 747" Joe Sutter's story about hoping to live for the 747-8 rollout in 2008:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/251971_boeing14.html

[Edited 2005-12-14 18:51:53]
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:29 am

You know, all these "spacious" improvements are really neat. But the thing is that they will only really affect premium passengers. The majority of passengers want to get where they're going for the lowest fare. For those of us who can't drop an extra several thousand on a ticket, any aircraft, whether 737-size or ocean liner size is going to be the same.

We're going to be jammed 3-4-3 into economy seats for anywhere from 6 to 20 hours with the same damned long line to the bathroom about an hour before we start descent.

That said, I do find the use of the over-cabin space to be pretty neat. It looks, though, as if they could just fit more seats up there. I'd imagine the only thing to stop them would be safety regulations and the lack of an exit.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:39 am

Agree with the previous post- on the A380 , Airbus showed all kinds of great interiors with restaurants,gambling halls,shopping malls and fitness studios - it's basically all B.S. and will come down to economics of space best used...
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:43 am

Yep, Y will be Y. It's what some of us have said all along. And it's why taking a 757 in Y across the pond isn't so bad, because boarding is faster, lines are shorter, the collective stink from the pax are less, etc.

I do think the Y experience on the A380 could be really nice if an airline wanted to make it that way, but my guess is that the first "nice" experience you'll get is in Y+.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:44 am

Well Business Class brings in about 10x the revenue of Economy, and First 15x, so an airline and airplane that offers the most comfort and luxury for those dollars could be important.

Airlines are spending hundreds of millions on their First and Business Class cabins, then ripping them out five years later to make way for "the next wave". A truly private suite with a flat bed and private dining with better meals would probably score strongly with this market, and would save on the constant cabin rebuilds.

And if you carried say, 10 SkySuites and a dining room, that means you don't need 10 F suites down below. 10 domestic First Class seats with 40" of pitch are fine for take-off and landing. Soon as your around 10,000 ft, the passengers would head upstairs. So that means all that space taken up with 10 F suites in the nose can now hold two rows (2+2 and 2+2+2) of basic F seats and then more Business seats.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:44 am

Thanks for the link. Hopefully, the additions will be as lightweight as possible, to avoid cutting into the payload. A private bed will be a big incentive for people to fly the 747-8, and for airlines flying the A380 to increase the space available for first class suites.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:53 am

One difference though, in contrast to the 380 and its wild promises of beach volleyball and indoor waterslides, this space on the 747 has never been used for revenue before. Two points I'd make right off the bat:

1. Regular pax will never see this space becuase there are no windows and the space is quite confining. Only premium pax with lounge areas, suites and top shelf entertainment will accept the aformentioned limitations.

2. Whether anyone ever uses this space will depend on the safety regulators first and the rev potential vs. weight penalty of adding these configurations second. The "business jet" lounge in particular looks like a real challenge saftey AND weight-wise. That crap must weigh a ton and it will be sitting in a space that will require significant strengthening of the ceiling so that crazy ass celebs high on crystal do not suddenly drop through to steerage class below. Maybe 10-20 exclusive suites but that's all I can imagine.

I don't know guy...this plane may do some serious damage to the 380, even 40% would be financially ruinous to Airbus because every new sale they make will suffer from very real competition, even if the buyer really needs or wants the 380.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:58 am

The exclusivity of an entire private deck is an advantage. But I don't think that lounges have ever been very useful or economic.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:34 am

The most interesting, and probably most attractive for airlines is this, IMO:

"airlines have expressed a lot of interest in having a galley above the main cabin because it would free up cabin space for additional revenue seats."

That would add a bit more than just 36 passengers over 744, and improve the 748I's CASM even more.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:35 am

I don't know why everybody takes it as given that it will be the B748 who will eat the A380's revenues.
Has it ever occurred to you that it might be the A380 (in combination with B787 etc) who will possibly prematurely kill the 748?! What happens if Boeing invests a considerable amount of money into the development and in the end they only sell 10 pcs?

Just my 2 (EUR)cents...

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 7):
I don't know guy...this plane may do some serious damage to the 380, even 40% would be financially ruinous to Airbus because every new sale they make will suffer from very real competition, even if the buyer really needs or wants the 380.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:35 am

I think galley and crew rests would be a better option for the crown space, I'm no engineer so I have no idea if that is possible
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:40 am

Quoting NorCal (Reply 10):
I think galley and crew rests would be a better option for the crown space, I'm no engineer so I have no idea if that is possible

Crew rest is a given up there.

Galleys might work, since the L-1011 used to have them down below the main deck, so...
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 9):
I don't know why everybody takes it as given that it will be the B748 who will eat the A380's revenues.
Has it ever occurred to you that it might be the A380 (in combination with B787 etc) who will possibly prematurely kill the 748?! What happens if Boeing invests a considerable amount of money into the development and in the end they only sell 10 pcs?

I think they already have 20 on order? No pax version yet, but I think it will come sooner or later.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 9):
What happens if Boeing invests a considerable amount of money into the development and in the end they only sell 10 pcs?

Well the 748F should sell many scores of frames, and probably into three figures.

The 748I's prospects look dimmer, but 50 may very well not be an extreme reach.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:48 am

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Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:53 am

While I'm sure this will be a phenomenal plane, those skylights with the "mood lighting" look like they ripped the ceilings from an old 707 and then added disco lights.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:56 am

Quote:
Boeing has moved various system, including flight control cables and air ducts, that run along the ceiling above the main cabin of the 747, and pushed these systems off to the side. The result is a substantial amount of "attic" space above the main cabin between doors No. 3 and 5 -- nearly half the length of the airplane.

Eggink said airlines have expressed a lot of interest in having a galley above the main cabin because it would free up cabin space for additional revenue seats. It is less certain if airlines will ever order a 747-8 with the Sky Suites. The added weight would cut into the plane's performance, although airlines could charge first- or business-class passengers more to use them.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine....html

How tall is this space? I would think it would only be good for reclining, unless they're going ot hire midgets to work in the galley.  Wink
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:58 am

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 9):
Has it ever occurred to you that it might be the A380 (in combination with B787 etc) who will possibly prematurely kill the 748?! What happens if Boeing invests a considerable amount of money into the development and in the end they only sell 10 pcs?

On the contrary, 747-8 will likely increase pressure on A380. It helps box the A380 into an even smaller niche. 748 will be more attractive than the A380 on most routes because there's less risk of not filling the plane [because it is smaller]. Additionally, the development cost as well as operating cost of 748 is a lot lower than A380.

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Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:03 am

Quoting Wingman (Reply 6):
One difference though, in contrast to the 380 and its wild promises of beach volleyball and indoor waterslides, this space on the 747 has never been used for revenue before. Two points I'd make right off the bat:

 checkmark  That's mainly why I paid attention to Boeing's 787 / 747-8i interiors - they stand a chance of actually being in revenue planes  Smile
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:11 am

the interior of the 747-8 is really wonderful!!!can't wait to fly it!!!
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:13 am

Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 8):
The most interesting, and probably most attractive for airlines is this, IMO:

"airlines have expressed a lot of interest in having a galley above the main cabin because it would free up cabin space for additional revenue seats."

Precisely.

Utilizing the crown area (be it lounge, bunks, etc) allow 748 customers to more efficently configure the main floor space of the aircraft. Since most airlines opt for more premium seats than the OEM, crown area suites may keep the seating capacity of the 748 closer to Boeing's "450 seat" figure. Given lower SFC, OEW, trip cost inherent to the 748 (re:A388), additional seats greatly help the viability of passenger 747-8.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
I love that they've named the toilet concept "Dreamlav". I want a Dreamlav.

*smacks head*

Boeing is really getting carried away...  Wink

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
The 748I's prospects look dimmer, but 50 may very well not be an extreme reach.

The program goal is something around 300-350 frames. Believe it or not, passenger aircraft outselling freighters, IIRC. Break-even is probably close to 50 frames.

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 9):
I don't know why everybody takes it as given that it will be the B748 who will eat the A380's revenues.

The 747-8 offers distinct advantages over the A388 in terms of flexibility, lower risk, easier fleet planning etc. Airlines order aircraft based on value proposition. Save EK, airlines do not have infinite capital. Thus, in theoretical sense, every dollar spent on the 747-8 (or A320, E190, 787) is a dollar not spent on the A388.

Until the 748, the A388 had zero competition and Airbus would have likely won substantial orders based on the A380 being the only modern VLA. The 748 doesn't necessarily "compete" with the A388, but it does offer a choice or alternative. This not so mild thorn may prevent the A380 from becoming a golden cash-cow quite as quickly as Airbus hoped...

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 9):
Has it ever occurred to you that it might be the A380 (in combination with B787 etc) who will possibly prematurely kill the 748?!

The 747-8 has been launched, the A380 missed it's chance. It will be some time before another opportunity arises.

IMO, there are enough fundamental differences in the A380 and 747-8 that one cannot "kill" the other, period. They will both make $ within their true niche, but without question, Airbus stole a large customer base for passenger 747-8I, and Boeing has likely put a dent in future A388 yields.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:27 am

Looks nice. Creative ideas for the empty 747 ceiling space. Be happy to take a skysuite.

However, arguments that somehow the 747 has a space advantage over the 380 are drawing something of a long bow (no pun intended), don't you think?

After demonizing the space and size arguments of A380 for years, Boeing now claim to be doing it better and 'smaller'? It's like trying to understand Kerry on Iraq...
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
I love that they've named the toilet concept "Dreamlav". I want a Dreamlav.


Sound proof the LAV's so people may join the Mile High Club without being rudely interupted! Maybe have a bed or two up there in the ROYAL LOO. lol
 
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RE: 747-8 Interior Details From Seattle P-I

Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:51 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
For those of us who can't drop an extra several thousand on a ticket, any aircraft, whether 737-size or ocean liner size is going to be the same.

We're going to be jammed 3-4-3 into economy seats for anywhere from 6 to 20 hours with the same damned long line to the bathroom about an hour before we start descent.

Quite true. But some people can drop an extra several hundred on a ticket, and some airlines have an answer to this "Premium Eco" (ever been in a EVA Air 744, with a 2-4-2 config and 38" pitch ? This is quite acceptable).

I am quite disappointed to see that (from what I could see) such "Premium Eco" is not planned in the cabin map displayed in the second photo.

My only hope: the luxury suites will be so heavy that, to save some weight, airlines will have to have a part of Eco cabin changed to Premium Eco. Please 748, have some weight problems !  Wink
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 9):
I don't know why everybody takes it as given that it will be the B748 who will eat the A380's revenues.
Has it ever occurred to you that it might be the A380 (in combination with B787 etc) who will possibly prematurely kill the 748?! What happens if Boeing invests a considerable amount of money into the development and in the end they only sell 10 pcs?

Just my 2 (EUR)cents...

they already have some order north of 10 frames...23 to be exact.. Wink

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
The 748I's prospects look dimmer, but 50 may very well not be an extreme reach.

Actually, there is a much larger potential that 50.........my guesses for 747-8I ...

AZ, KL, LH (yes..I do think there is room for the 747-8I in LH's fleet), JL, NZ (both for domestic runs), QF (potentially), AI, UA, NW, SQ (most probably freighters, but one never knows), MH (not too sure about them though), and I would say BA will certainly order some 747-8I...in fact, Walsh has said that even if BA gets the WhaleJet (thats a big "if"), it wouldn't be more than a dozen or so.....and Walsh has also expressed interest in the 747-8I....
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RE: 747-8 Interior Details From Seattle P-I

Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:46 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
AZ, KL, LH (yes..I do think there is room for the 747-8I in LH's fleet), JL, NZ (both for domestic runs), QF (potentially), AI, UA, NW, SQ (most probably freighters, but one never knows), MH (not too sure about them though), and I would say BA will certainly order some 747-8I...in fact, Walsh has said that even if BA gets the WhaleJet (thats a big "if"), it wouldn't be more than a dozen or so.....and Walsh has also expressed interest in the 747-8I....

You mean NH right and not NZ for domestic runs? Although I believe NZ is interested in the 747-8I as a possible upgrade to their current 744 fleet.

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Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:51 am

Quoting Ozglobal (Reply 21):
After demonizing the space and size arguments of A380 for years, Boeing now claim to be doing it better and 'smaller'? It's like trying to understand Kerry on Iraq...

I'll try to clear the confusion, then:

As evident by annual market outlooks, Boeing never denied the need for VLA. Boeing offered A380-sized airplanes (NLA, 747-X) through the 1990s, but judged a market of approx 250-500 airplanes over 20 years versus 1000+ for Airbus. For Boeing, this was obviously insufficent to justify launch a $7-14 billion dollar project, especially when faced with splitting the market with Airbus.

Of these studies, the 747-X (also 747-500/600) were considered the most viable. They featured two fuselage stretches, an entirely new wing, and new engine technology. This was a drastic upgrade, with a program cost of about $7 billion. Unit cost was high, and airlines were not forthcoming. The project was cancelled in favor of 767/777 upgrades.

Boeing decided in 2001 to offer modernized 747 variants, less drastic than the 747-X, to keep a foothold in the market. This began with the 747-400XQLR first proposed to CX. The -400XQLR featured flap redesign, improved engines, and new engine pylon to meet QC.2 requirements, but CX did not order.

In 2003, Boeing again offered a new 747 variant, the 747-Advanced. The -Adv feartured the -400XQLR flap improvements (single slotted outboard, double slotted inboard), the ~2 meter stretch from the 747-X program, and 7E7-like engines. Launched as the 747-8, program cost was a reasonable $2 billion.

Not limited to the following, but the 748 has some things going for it:

- The 748 has very simmilar proportions to the 744. Whereas most airports must at least make minor improvements for A388 service (passenger or cargo), the 748 can fly to hundreds of points today.

- The 748 does not drastically change 744 systems, allowing spare part commonality. Easy integration into a 744 fleet is possible.

- The 748 is almost 150,000 lbs lighter than the A388 and offers incremental capacity growth. This translates into lower risk.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:10 am

Looks like A380 Lite.

Still, would love to see what it eventually looks like. Assuming it ever takes to the skies.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:32 pm

That's true, I didn't take the freighter market into account, I don't know if the 748F has really that much more to offer here. But on the other side for the pax version, these interior improvements look to me like Boeing's desperate attempt to make the 748 sellable to airlines. I believe airlines will either upgrade from their 744s to 380s or downgrade to 787/777.

I do see here an analogy to the 787-350 battle. The airlines take in most cases the original (787) and not the "copy".

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
Well the 748F should sell many scores of frames, and probably into three figures.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:05 pm

Quoting Nirvarma (Reply 25):

You mean NH right and not NZ for domestic runs? Although I believe NZ is interested in the 747-8I as a possible upgrade to their current 744 fleet.

yes..that's what I meant..thanks.. Smile
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:07 pm

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 16):
How tall is this space? I would think it would only be good for reclining, unless they're going ot hire midgets to work in the galley.

Imagine a 340 fuselage, but with a 1 foot lower ceiling. That's pretty much the crown space of a 747. You can walk upright down the center. Any galley would be a center corridor with ovens and prep areas on the sides and lifts at one end, crew rest entrance at the other. At least that's my take.

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 28):
But on the other side for the pax version, these interior improvements look to me like Boeing's desperate attempt to make the 748 sellable to airlines

Introducing new features that give your plane an edge = desperate attempt to make a plane salable. Hmmm....

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 28):
I do see here an analogy to the 787-350 battle. The airlines take in most cases the original (787) and not the "copy".

If you do, I don't see it. 744/748, the warmed over planes, have sold more frames this year than the A380, even counting the 380Fs UPS finally signed for. Combined with all the 744SF conversions sold this year, airlines seem to be rejecting the A380F as a concept, and are now basically cool on the A380 pax version until it proves itself.

I've been shocked that no A380s have sold in the second six months of the year, considering it's now flying and people have had a chance to see it and touch it.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:27 pm

Who needs a galley anymore.....but sleeping births....that could be a huge benefit because you wouldn't need to have first class seats so widely spaced. You can have your seat and then your bed in the other part of the plane. I think this would have great appeal to airlines although, like so many a.netters, I will never grace those seats.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:18 pm

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 28):
That's true, I didn't take the freighter market into account, I don't know if the 748F has really that much more to offer here. But on the other side for the pax version, these interior improvements look to me like Boeing's desperate attempt to make the 748 sellable to airlines. I believe airlines will either upgrade from their 744s to 380s or downgrade to 787/777.

Why I don't understand this view. For some reason there is a market for 150, 250, 350, and 550 seat sized aircraft, but apparently there isn't a market for 450 seat sized aircraft? I've heard the argument that people are equipping their A380s with less than 500 seats, but that is in a really spacious interior. Do you think you could still fit 350 seats into a 773ER with that same type of interior? I doubt it, so that 100 seat gap still remains and it needs to be filled by something.

Its kind of like saying there is only a market for either Malibus or Suburbans, but that there isn't any space for something in between.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:23 pm

Quoting Wingman (Reply 6):
One difference though, in contrast to the 380 and its wild promises of beach volleyball and indoor waterslides, this space on the 747 has never been used for revenue before. Two points I'd make right off the bat:

Could you provide a link to a source that specifies Airbus has been promising beach volleyball and indoor waterslides on the A380? The most outlandish accoutrement I've seen so far has been a synagogue for the A340.

Quoting Sq212 (Reply 17):
Additionally, the development cost as well as operating cost of 748 is a lot lower than A380.

Operating cost per flight maybe, but not per passenger-km.
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:01 pm

Quote:
quoting Joni Reply# 33
Could you provide a link to a source that specifies Airbus has been promising beach volleyball and indoor waterslides on the A380? The most outlandish accoutrement I've seen so far has been a synagogue for the A340.

it's called a hyperbole.
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:06 pm

Think about it - seeing that decor in your local shopping centre you'd think it's pretty average. Once it's on a plane it suddenly becomes ground breaking  Confused
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:41 am

At what point do the bulk of 744s start being 20-25 years old. We are still a few years off from that. At that point, the airlines will need to look for replacements. Do they go up and order A380's as replacement aircraft - or will they be too large, expensive, and awkward form those routes. Do they go smaller and order A346 or B773 replacements? Do they go quite a bit smaller and order A340s or B787s, fragmenting their routes? Or do they buy B748s as replacement aircraft with a little more capacity.

We are still too early in the cycle to see where they choose to go - the oldest B777 is only 17-18 years old - and the real volume production only happened in the early 90's. But in the next couple years, the airlines need to start making that decision. Only then will we know if the B748I will be a success. I am going to bet that it will be. The plane has no competitor in its size - and its predecessor is a proven money maker.
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:44 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 35):
Think about it - seeing that decor in your local shopping centre you'd think it's pretty average. Once it's on a plane it suddenly becomes ground breaking

lol.....I haven't thought of it that way, but I guess anything at 35,000 feet is much cooler
 
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RE: 747-8 Interior Details From Seattle P-I

Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:00 am

Quote:
Quoting Grantcv Reply 36
the oldest B777 is only 17-18 years old

i assume you meant the 744? 777 made its first revenue flight June 7th, 1995.
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Halibut
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RE: 747-8 Interior Details From Seattle P-I

Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:11 am

Hope this hasn't been posted yet ! Photos of the Skysuites .

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos...=0&css=gtitle.css&pubdate=12/14/05


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irelayer
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RE: 747-8 Interior Details From Seattle P-I

Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:46 am

The gloom and doom predictions for the 748 are hilarious b/c history has proven these predictions wrong time and time and time again...rest assured the 748 will find its niche, large or small or medium, and make money for Boeing and carry on the legacy of the Queen of the Skies, despite the naysayers and the armchair CEO's...

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RE: 747-8 Interior Details From Seattle P-I

Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:39 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 26):
I'll try to clear the confusion, then:

A good presentation of the case and Boeing's thinking. Thanks.
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ikramerica
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RE: 747-8 Interior Details From Seattle P-I

Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 35):
seeing that decor in your local shopping centre you'd think it's pretty average

well, your shopping malls in Hong Kong (and Singapore as well) are way nicer than a lot of old, rundown malls here in the US. Even many new ones don't hold a candle to the 748 interior.

so for us, we're still impressed.
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prebennorholm
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RE: 747-8 Interior Details From Seattle P-I

Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:32 am

Boeing just entered the "competition" with Airbus about the most rediculous PR mockups. Only this time the swimming pool is missing.

Airliners are metal tubes. Airlines put anything they want into those metal tubes. They want seats, all the seats they can possibly bring in.

Quote: The galley is tucked away behind the stairs. Not only does this get the galley out of view of passengers boarding the plane, but the location allows flight attendants to prepare meals in private. End of quote.

That's just "updating" to the same level as any DC-9 which took to the air almost 40 years ago. Only difference is that on the DC-9 the galley is hidden behind the aft lavs, since it has no stairs to an upper deck.

The 748 is a stretched 744 with updated engines and minor wing tip extensions to compensate for the heavier metal load. Nothing wrong with that.
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