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Northwest Interested In B777-100X

Thu May 25, 2000 3:08 am

In this weeks Flight International, Boeing has named ILFC, Singapore Airlines and Northwest as being the companies showing serious interest in the new 777 "shrink" the B777-100X.

Northwest are looking to use the B777-100X to replace its fleet of 42 ageing DC-10s, Flight points out that Northwest is the only top 4 US airline not to order the 777 so far.

Interesting, could spell the end of Northwest's A330-300 order, although given Northwest's large A319/320 fleet, and the fact that the A330-300 is considerably larger than the B777-100X will be, both could be retained...

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RE: Northwest Interested In B777-100X

Thu May 25, 2000 3:14 am

I would personally prefer a 777-100/200 order over the airbus from a pax comfort standpoint. As someone who mostly flies Y class, I can attest to the dimensions of the 777, which is similar to the DC-10, a few " wider is much more comfortable than the A330. I usually fly the DTW-AMS route once a week, and the ORD-DUB EI route 2x a month aboard an A330-300. I love the 10 so much more!
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RE: 777-100X

Thu May 25, 2000 3:21 am

I really don't see the 777-100X becoming a reality; it would seem to cut right across the 767-400, which is already a little lame on the success side. As Boeing discovered with the 747SP, artificially shortened aircraft are risky and very few (the 332 being the notable exception) succeed. The 777-200ER/LR would seem to be a better choice, from an economics point of view.

As for the A330 -v- the DC10, I have to say I'm shocked. Misrair, you've spoilt my evening. How could anyone not prefer A330 flight with a very fine airline to a flight in a clapped out 20 year old DC10 on a well, let's say, not the world's greatest airline. I've flown on the A330 and I personally find it a very impressive, quiet and comfortable aircraft. What did Aer Lingus do to you?!!
 
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RE: Northwest Interested In B777-100X

Thu May 25, 2000 3:31 am

Kaitak,
As I was about to go on to say in a separate post, but now won't bother since you've brought it up here, Flight says Boeing has pencilled in the first flight of the B767-400ERX and B777-100X for Aug-Dec 2003, but will most likely not carry out both programmes as they effectively compete for the same market segment.

The 767-400ER as is is range limited, less than the 767-300 and a lot less than the A330-200, to effectively compete Boeing needs something to go against the A330-200. I'd say they'll go ahead with the B777-100 and ditch the B767-400ERX.

As you point out, Boeing may shy away from shrinks, but Boeing also know what the A330-200 has done to their B767 sales!!!!
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RE: Northwest Interested In B777-100X

Thu May 25, 2000 3:32 am

The main reason Boeing might launch the 777 100 is because of the A330 & A340. A 767 cannot compete with an A340 or A330 but a B777 obviously can (an ailrine even said that) Will it have an one less emergency exit or what?

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Sorry Kaitak

Thu May 25, 2000 3:37 am

EI's service was outstanding, the aircraft was clean, well-maintained and quiet, but given the shape and interior dimensions of the aircraft, it's cramped inspite of the 2 x 4 x 2 seating. the sidewalls are curved and raked sharper so for a taller fellow like myself, it's bad news, while a -10 retains a higher height and interior height as well. just a preference, no need to ruin an evening over it...plus the CF6 engines look so menacinc when you get a head-on shot of that beautiful widebody (the DC-10 that is)
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RE: Northwest Interested In B777-100X

Thu May 25, 2000 3:58 am

As I said on a different post yesterday the 777-100 is the answer to the A330-200´s success.

Reason why Boeing will more likely go for a shrinked 777 rather than a modified 767-400: the 767 is aging, the new 767-400 is a complete sales failure so far.
And to develop both planes makes absolutely no sense to me.

 
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RE: Sorry Kaitak

Thu May 25, 2000 4:32 am

I don´t think the B771X is a good choice for NW. This plane should be too heavy compared to the A332. My though.

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RE: Northwest Interested In B777-100X

Thu May 25, 2000 8:44 am

Although at first thought, I would say the 771X would be rather poor economically. But I assumed the A332 was going to be a poor performer, and look at it's excellent performance and sales. Also, if NW ordered the 771X (with GE90) to begin replacing DC-10s, then they can easily go to the -200/ER/LR and -300/LR to eventually replace their classic 747s. The more I think about this, the more it makes since to me.

I would list the potential 771X customers as:

Northwest
ILFC
Singapore
United

And for some speculation/argumentation:

TWA
Lufthansa

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Hamlet69

Thu May 25, 2000 12:28 pm

Add QF to the list.
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RE: Northwest Interested In B777-100X

Thu May 25, 2000 5:15 pm

Even though the 777-100 would be smaller, I would have thought it still too big for SQ. Already they have said the A332 is too big and even with a shrink the 777-100 would still be around the same size as the A332.

When you consider SQ want to replace A310s, A332s or 771s seem a big step up in size.

On a separate note, I doubt QF would be interested in the 771 in the short term. This plane would replace the 763 which tend to be the youngest part of QF's fleet. Replacing the classic 747s is highest on their priority list followed by replacements for their 733s.

An Australian airline which would look at the 771 is AN. Had it not been for the continuing ownership struggles (now resolved) AN would have ordered A332's a year ago. Should this plane become a reality it would offer an alternative to the A332. AN apparently consider 772s and A333s a little too big though they will probably happily take SQ's older 772s as a stop gap measure to replace some of their ageing 767s.
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RE: Northwest Interested In B777-100X

Thu May 25, 2000 6:30 pm

Forget Lufthansa being a potential customer for the 777-100X. They have said that already the A332 is too big for their operations and they are currently putting pressure on Airbus to get the A330-100 started.

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