skibum9
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New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:20 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/051216/91348.html

Non-stop ATL to OGG, and one stop service to Kona, via SLC.

The ATL-OGG flight is on a B763, and the ATL-Kona flight is on a B764. I wonder if the B763 will be weight restricted coming out of OGG?
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:33 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Thread starter):
I wonder if the B763 will be weight restricted coming out of OGG?

I wondered the same thing. One has to think the fuel load alone for a packed 763 bound for ATL would cause issues due to OGG's short runway.
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:28 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Thread starter):
I wonder if the B763 will be weight restricted coming out of OGG?

Perhaps they make a stop in HNL but don't let you off the plane? I was speaking with the pilots on my ATL-MCO 767-400 flight a few weeks ago and they said that the -400 couldn't have full cargo and full fuel and dare to make it off the runway at OGG so they were forced to make the short hop over to HNL. Seeing how the -300 is shorter maybe it won't be affected but I'm betting they have to take off with a light fuel load and then stop somewhere to gas up.
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:58 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 2):
Perhaps they make a stop in HNL but don't let you off the plane? I was speaking with the pilots on my ATL-MCO 767-400 flight a few weeks ago and they said that the -400 couldn't have full cargo and full fuel and dare to make it off the runway at OGG so they were forced to make the short hop over to HNL. Seeing how the -300 is shorter maybe it won't be affected but I'm betting they have to take off with a light fuel load and then stop somewhere to gas up.

The ATL-OGG flight will be non-stop. One reason it is not a 764 is because it would be weight restricted most of the time and would not be able to takeoff from OGG.

However, OGG-SLC and OGG-LAX has been working fine with the 764 with full pax for the most part.
 
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:00 am

It would appear that they are doing it non-stop. They still show 36J class and 163Y class on both directions so the restrictions could come in the way of cargo. I think the -300ER might be able to do it non-stop without a stop unless maybe a bad weather day in ATL might force extra fuel which might involve a restriction in passengers.

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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:04 am

Our little airport is starting to get busy! Two new flights (DL & US) in short order, and another US coming in March. Now if they'd just do something about the ticketing lobby.
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:09 am

well we run into problems on our IAH route, so ATL will certianly run the same problems if they were to run a 764............
 
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:19 am

It is really remarkable to see all the nonstop service that Maui has gotten in the past decade. I remember the "old days" when there were one or two United flights a day, plus American and Delta's tag services to HNL. Back then all the airlines were crammed into the little old terminal, which is now the baggage claim area, and you got on and off the plane using airstairs.

When they built the current terminal, I remember thinking it was way too big - and for quite a few years it was. There would be 20 jetways sitting there unused.

Now look how far OGG has come - nonstops to DFW, IAH, ORD, ATL, PHX and SLC, plus all the major West Coast cities. I never thought I'd see the day! Now if only they could get a nonstop to Japan, although Linda Lingle's crazy friends will do their best to keep that from happening...  Smile
 
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:32 am

I also have to wonder if this is the wisest route selection? By this I mean, from what I understand Hawaiian flights are usually packed with either low yeild passengers or those cashing in frequent flier miles. Given DL's financial condition, wouldn't it make more sense to use this B763ER, which is configured for international service, on a new or expanded international route that may have higher yeilds? DL keeps stating that it is going to focus on international expansion because it is more profitable. We have seen a good amount of growth here, but while they have reduced some domestic flying, they also seem to continue to focus on the high-volume, low-yeild leisure markets, like Flordia and Hawaii. Not saying it is wrong, but just wonder if they are passing up opportunities for a higher yeilding route?
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:37 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 8):

If you were to do a search, you will find many posts regarding the current fallacy that Hawaii routes are unprofitable. This is currently untrue, and has been untrue for the past 4-5 years. Hawaii, although a supposedly low-yield route, is proving to be profitable, and more profitable than many domestic routes that supposedly higher yield for most, if not all, carriers. The demand for Hawaii flights is extremely high with all carriers experiencing very high load factors. That's why airlines have continued to add flights to Hawaii.
 
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:41 am

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 9):
If you were to do a search, you will find many posts regarding the current fallacy that Hawaii routes are unprofitable. This is currently untrue, and has been untrue for the past 4-5 years. Hawaii, although a supposedly low-yield route, is proving to be profitable, and more profitable than many domestic routes that supposedly higher yield for most, if not all, carriers. The demand for Hawaii flights is extremely high with all carriers experiencing very high load factors. That's why airlines have continued to add flights to Hawaii.

Hawaii has incredibly high fares. This fall I was looking into booking MSP-HNL for the winter and advanced purchase economy fares were never under $1,300 dollars on NW.

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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:49 am

not under 1300 for two tickets i imagine...........
 
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:01 pm

Depends of the time of the year...low season fares on DL from SLC to HNL start in the mid 500s, during busy season they start in the low 900s. So I guess its low yields during low season, but im sure during the busy season Hawaii along with its cargo is a cash cow!!!
 
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:17 pm

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 10):
Hawaii has incredibly high fares.

That's the truth. NW started SFO-HNL, which is a pretty limited route for them (SFO is far from being a hub) and the lowest January fare even loaded in the system (which may not even be available for sale) is $383.

SFO-IAD, by comparison, has a lowest fare in the system (again, not always available) of $203, as a point of comparison.

Everyone is trying to cash in on Hawaii, but avoid flooding the market at the same time.

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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:37 am

If JFK-HNL is not in the cards for DL, how about a JFK-NRT? Didn't DL operate JFK-NRT at one time? If there are no 777 available, could a 767-300ER make this a feasible route?
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 6):
well we run into problems on our IAH route, so ATL will certianly run the same problems if they were to run a 764............

I think that's part of the reason why it was rerouted out of LAX instead...and the loads apparantly from what I heard at work.
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:08 am

loads were decent............but we dont ship any cargo out of OGG..........therefore we can maximize the widebody elsewhere, where we can get a full J premium and maximize our cargo revenue on top of it.
 
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:25 am

Yes very true...I spoke to a 767 captain a while back and he said there were major issues with weight on the route. I'm sure the plane can be better utilized elsewhere.
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RE: New Hawaii Routes For DL

Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:58 am

we wanted to do the route non-stop out of IAH..........but thought we would have to many restrictions pax wise.