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Europe-Japan Via Moscow

Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:03 am

European airlines, used to fly to Japan via Anchorage and then (early 90's) via Moscow.
There's any European airline still flying to Japan via Moscow or Anchorage?

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RE: Europe-Japan Via Moscow

Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:08 am

With all the modern aircraft, I would say that the Moscow stop is not necessary anymore. It saves money on the extra landing. There is probably just no use for the stop.

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RE: Europe-Japan Via Moscow

Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:25 am

Actually its not part just the availability of modern equipment. Until about late 80's/1990 or so, the USSR required carriers that made use of its trans-Siberia routes to stop in Moscow on atleast one such service per week, or to provide independent service to the USSR as part of its granting of the overflight permission.
This is for instance why carriers such as Virgin used to then have its NRT-LGW service stop in SVO once per week.

Back then there also was a need by some carriers to fly with a Russian navigator/translator on board, (As if the western INS equipment would not be capable in navigating across the Soviet Union.) In addition the ability by ATC to speak English once beyond Moscow until reaching the Pacific coast was often minimal.
Lastly you would never want to stray off an airway, and one had near no clue were many potential enroute alternate airfields were located as the aeronautical charts made no mention of many.
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RE: Europe-Japan Via Moscow

Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:35 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 1):
With all the modern aircraft, I would say that the Moscow stop is not necessary anymore. It saves money on the extra landing.

True. When Finnair started non stop flights to Tokyo (first one in Europe if I rememeber right) in early 1980s, it has to use the north pole route (DC-10 with extra fuel tanks), the old Soviet Union didn't allow to use it's airspace.

Of course now it's ok, and Finnair has the fastest (as being the closest..) connection from Europe to Japan (to Tokyo and Osaka, plus Nagoya next year).
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RE: Europe-Japan Via Moscow

Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:30 am

I believe Iberia was the last carrier to fly from Europe to Japan via Moscow. They dropped the service to NRT sometime in the mid 90s.
 
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RE: Europe-Japan Via Moscow

Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:34 pm

Iberia used to do the next route: MAD-BCN-SVO-NRT in a 747 Combi.
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RE: Europe-Japan Via Moscow

Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:51 pm

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
There's any European airline still flying to Japan via Moscow or Anchorage?

Yes : Aeroflot !
They still propose a flight CDG-SVO-NRT, with the same flight number (SU575) though I think there is a plane change at SVO....
They propose very interesting fares on this route, and work also with some T.O in France.
 
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RE: Europe-Japan Via Moscow

Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:20 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
They still propose a flight CDG-SVO-NRT, with the same flight number (SU575) though I think there is a plane change at SVO....

They also do LHR-SVO-NRT with the same flight number, with a plane change at SVO though..

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RE: Europe-Japan Via Moscow

Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:16 am

JL was flying weekly NRT-SVO-FCO with 744 equipment until MAR 2005. This one was really the last remnant. CX is planning to resurrect the MOW stopover - starting summer schedule 2006 they are planning to fly triple-weekly HKG-SVO-MAN route.