pdxtriple7
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Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:01 am

I figured we might as well get the thread started as there is heavy snow and sleet, eventually turning to freezing rain...

I think everything is looking ontime right now at PDX, though.
 
OPNLguy
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:58 am

Quoting PDXtriple7 (Thread starter):
eventually turning to freezing rain...

Therein lays the problem. According to this excerpt from the 0024Z TAF, PDX is supposed to get moderate freezing rain between 1400Z-1900Z (0600-1100 local). Assuming that forecast holds up, it will be problematic, since airlines can/will operate in light freezing rain, but not anything heavier like moderate or heavy freezing rain.

FM0900 10020G30KT 4SM -FZRA BKN022 OVC035
FM1400 10020G30KT 4SM FZRA BKN020 OVC030
FM1900 12018G30KT 6SM -FZDZ BKN025 OVC040

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see airlines operate all the Sunday night flights into PDX, and then ferry the overnighting aircraft out of town to avoid having them stuck there in the morning, should the moderate freezing rain event actually occur in the overnight and early morning hours...
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BlatantEcho
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:00 am

28F with winds out of the E at 25kts steady, gusting over 30kts on the river this afternoon.

Chop on the river was terrible, and it was just building up to snow and ice.

Traffice was shooting the approach as normal for a while, then when it started getting thick I drove by the airport and couldn't see squat. Expecting some misery all around.

Winter!
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HikesWithEyes
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:19 am

All the AS RON flights have been cancelled.
Better not to operate in that mess and try again tomorrow.
A few years ago, three AS aircraft sustained significant damage
while parked there overnight
First, benzene in my Perrier, and now this!
 
HPRamper
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:30 am

I remember that. They had caked ice buildup on the fuselages and when it eventually fell off, the wings were actually damaged. From what I remember anyway.

Then there was the ABX DC-9 that tipped onto its tail, but that was as much the fault of the load crew as the ice.

Currently at about 5:30pm...an inch or so of SNOW on the ground but expected to turn to freezing rain by tonight, especially after midnight. High winds also expected through later tonight.
 
HikesWithEyes
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:22 am

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 5):
Another "edge of your seat" thread.

If you're planning on flying into PDX tonight or out of there in the morning
it is.
First, benzene in my Perrier, and now this!
 
S12PPL
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:26 am

This one won't be nearly as bad as two years ago, though. But it'll still be a rough one. the next two or three days are gonna be a mess at PDX. Glad I'm not flying out of PDX again until the end of January!
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as739x
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:33 am

Looking at Alaska's gatesheet and it doesn't look to terrible. Now Horizon, that's a different ballgame. Its look pretty delayed.

ASLAX
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as739x
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:39 am

As off 635p.

253 LAX-PDX cxld
586/585 PDX-SAN-PDX cxld
695 LAX-PDX over-fly to SEA

Few ferry flights canceled and added. Side note SFO has been very active in the canceled and delayed flight area due weather as well.

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Chugach
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:43 am

I have to fly back to ANC on Tuesday. Hope this mess clears up. And if the U2 concert gets cancelled tomorrow, I am gonna be pissed off.
 
S12PPL
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:52 pm

Quoting Chugach (Reply 10):
And if the U2 concert gets cancelled tomorrow, I am gonna be pissed off.

On the news this evening, they said they didn't currently have any plans at postponing the U2 concert, or cancelling it...So for now your safe.

Heck, they still played the Blazers game at the Garden.
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HPRamper
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:49 am

It looks all over with now.
Great...now I have to go take my chains off in the muddy parking lot.
 
KELPkid
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:07 am

The gorge WX is pretty strange...

My commute was going fine this morning (up I-205) until I got into the vicinity of the I-84 mergeup, then there was still ice on the road and icicles hanging down from the trees!!! Of course traffic slowed down to 5 MPH bumper to bumper.

Everything was fine again when I drove past PDX, and I was suprised to find the Glen Jackson bridge ice-free (I work in Vancouver).

I looked up to see a Hawaiian Airlines 767 take off from 10R, turn left, and then disappear into the clag (around 10:00 this morning)...  Smile I have always been suprised that the PDX tower often turns you immediately after departure, rather than having you climb for a mile or two on runway heading. I'll have to check my plates and see if there's a published DP being followed here.
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Chugach
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:55 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 10):
On the news this evening, they said they didn't currently have any plans at postponing the U2 concert, or cancelling it...So for now your safe.

Good to go Big grin

I have to say, this storm fizzled out faster than most thought it would. It stayed above freezing at my folks house (SE Portland) all night long and drizzled. No big deal. I heard Troutdale and Gresham got it pretty good, though.
 
HAL
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RE: Official PDX Winter Storm Delay Thread

Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:36 pm

2:00am, early Sunday morning: I was operating the HP flight in from LAS and we got the $#!T kicked out of us as we flew through moderate to severe turbulence over the west hills on approach. I haven't felt that kind of turbulence since I was flying small planes in Alaska.

Noon, Sunday: In the hotel and noticed a little snow falling sideways in the 30mph wind. Interesting.

2pm Sunday: Tried going outside for lunch near the hotel, nearly got perforated by the horizontal sleet. Ouch!

4pm Sunday: Waiting for the hotel van. It left at 3pm and was still on I-205 on the way TO the airport. Our departure was a deadhead leg to PHX at 5:15. Not looking good!

5pm Sunday: Van still going TO airport. We're probably out of luck getting to our flight

5:05pm Sunday: Someone arrives in a cab. The Captain and I commandeer it and (along with another airport bound passenger) brave the streets of Portland. The cabbie takes back roads, side roads, dirt roads, and maybe not-even-roads to get us to the airport around all the cars slewed over the icy streets.

5:45pm Sunday: We arrive at the airport alive! Crew Scheduling has changed our trip. Instead of the deadhead to PHX (after which we were supposed to fly an evening PHX-ORD) they will deadhead us to LAS on a 7:55pm flight. Since we are based in LAS they will not give us a hotel for the night. We are supposed to pick up the last day of our 4-day trip Monday afternoon in LAS. I live in Seattle, the Captain lives in Sacramento. We both decide to try and go home for the night and get to LAS on our own the next day.

6:00pm Sunday: I'm standing at the crowded Horizon gate area. Picture Macy's in New York on the Day-after-Christmas sale. Now picture every one of those people carrying baggage and an attitude.    Horizon has stopped all departures, but hopes to start up soon. I ask for the jumpseat to Seattle and sign the paperwork. I'm listed on what was the 4:00pm departure, now expected to go at 6:30pm. They finally open up the ramp, but I find out that there are over a dozen Horizon & Alaska pilots also trying to jumpseat, and they have priority over me. The planes have also been weight restricted so my chances of getting out are just next to zero.

6:45pm Sunday: The 4pm Horizon goes out without me, and without any other jumpseaters either. I head over to the United gates where there is one more United Express flight to Seattle that night, scheduled for 7:15. However they're still waiting for the plane to arrive, and they aren't sure when that will be. Also, they're worried about the ice storm reaching Seattle and canceling the flight. I called the hotel we had left that afternoon, and they are all sold out for the night so I have no place to stay in Portland. I have to get out.

7:55pm Sunday: I'm on the America West flight to LAS as the company had originally planned. I'll get a hotel room there and fly the last two legs (LAS-DEN-LAS) of the trip Monday afternoon, with a late night flight back to Seattle when I'm done. Ahhh... the wonderful life of an airline pilot. 

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[Edited 2005-12-21 08:39:41]

[Edited 2005-12-21 08:41:18]
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