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Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:38 pm

I was thinking this today when i was looking at a show about top ski resorts. Are they flying to Vail and such cities in Colorado? Does UAL still want these airplanes. Don't pull smart remarks about United. I was just asking. I loved working these birds when I worked for ACA in RDU.

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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:43 pm

They are still with United till April I think. They need something till ski season in Aspen ends.
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:53 pm

Yeah, they are still with UA until April...after that they are most likely leaving, unless they work out some deal with AWAC at the last minute. Kinda sad, I always liked those little jets...
 
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:13 am

i wonder what theyll use if the dont keep the 146?. my brother is an f/o on the e-170 for republic. he said he thinks it can get in/out of there
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:30 am

I'll claim ignorance here...due to the fact that I live in Denver...and I don't have the time to research this (at this moment)...

but what will replace the -146s on the same routes where this size a/c is needed?
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:53 am

Are all UA BAe-146s the ones that fly with ZW? Or do they have other ones too. If they don't, why are they leaving the fleet? Is ZW retiring them, or is ZW breaking its ties with UA?

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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:43 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 3):
i wonder what theyll use if the dont keep the 146?. my brother is an f/o on the e-170 for republic. he said he thinks it can get in/out of there

Just depends on the single engine climb performance, E175 may be able to do it.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Thread starter):
I was just asking. I loved working these birds when I worked for ACA in RDU.

You guys had a great manager back then!
 
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting EHHO (Reply 5):
Are all UA BAe-146s the ones that fly with ZW? Or do they have other ones too. If they don't, why are they leaving the fleet? Is ZW retiring them, or is ZW breaking its ties with UA?

I don't know where you have been lately, but UA is the one breaking ties with ZW, that was news months ago. The only 146's in the Express fleet are the ones with ZW. The flying will not be renewed in April because of economics. United wanted them to fly a little longer, but ZW recognized that doing so was not economical, especially with all the planes due for heavy check in the summer time. Thus the fleet will be retired in April, and I can't believe anyone on here thinks otherwise.
 
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:48 am

A couple of months ago i thought i heard UAL say that they were going to introduce a new plane for a 146 replacement in places like ASE etc...I heard rumors on Skywest getting the CL705 with only a 76 pax configuration so it would not be restricted out of ASE. Anyone hear anything else? I am pretty sure that UAL will NOT renew the contract with ZW as they want ZW completely gone!!!
 
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 4):
but what will replace the -146s on the same routes where this size a/c is needed?

It actually has nothing to do with size, but take off performance combined with range. In order to keep flying the very profitable Aspen-LAX route, UA needs something with enough take off performance.
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:04 am

The topic of commercial jets that can fly in and out of Aspen has been discussed on A.NET many times before. The BAe-146 is the only approved commercial jet that can fly there. Due to engine out performance the twins are not yet certified (if ever). United made a huge mistake on dropping Air Wisconsin. Not only for the Aspen service! The people who frequent Aspen don't like props. UA has no answer for that.
 
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting Ordramper98 (Reply 10):
The people who frequent Aspen don't like props. UA has no answer for that.

Well, theoretically, they could contract in some Q400 service. That aircraft has proved its earning potential into other high yielding ski destinations like SUN and Bozeman
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 7):
I don't know where you have been lately, but UA is the one breaking ties with ZW

I'm sorry, I guess that news skipped me somehow. Hehe, I was in Wisconsin by the way..  boxedin 
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:10 am

Quoting Ordramper98 (Reply 10):
The BAe-146 is the only approved commercial jet that can fly there.

So has the DH8.
 
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RE: Are The BAE-146's Still At United?

Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:14 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 13):
Quoting Ordramper98 (Reply 10):
The BAe-146 is the only approved commercial jet that can fly there.

So has the DH8.

Last I checked, the DH8 (DeHavilland of Canada DHC-8) was not a jet.

Several turboprops have operated successfully at ASE, CV-580s, DHC-6, -7, -8, BE 1900, ATR 42 and 72 come to mind. But the only airline jet has been the BAe 146 (a.k.a. Avro 85, etc).

I'd be surprised if the EMB-175 had sufficient engine-out performance to carry profitable loads out of ASE, but I could be wrong, as I haven't seen performance data for it.

ASE customers can be quite snobbish and really demand jets, even when it's not necessarily to their benefit.
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