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UA/US Hub, Route Structure

Thu May 25, 2000 12:13 pm

I think it is inevidible that the new United will sluff off allot of US Airways' routes, in addition to the DCA slots handed over to Mr. BET With all of the anti-trust red tape they need to get through, I think it is safe to bet that US Air routes out of LGA and and BOS will NOT be operated by the new United. I also think they will build up IAD, CLT, and PIT but reduce operations at BWI considerably. I haven't figured out what they will do with PHL. Any ideas? What about US Air Metro Jet? I sincerely hope they shit-can this travesty in the sky. OR will it become an eastern version of United Shuttle? As the years go by, I am certain that the route network will become very stream lined and very little of what looked like US Airways will remain.

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RE: UA/US Hub, Route Structure

Thu May 25, 2000 12:26 pm

I don't know about routes that will be deleted, but see my "UA/US New And Enhanced Routes" for some routes that will be added.
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International Routes

Thu May 25, 2000 2:50 pm

What do you think will happen to US Airways International routes? Will they be discontinued or operated by UA? I´m esp. interested on the Munich-PHL flight, because they wanted to change their equipment from 762 to 330 soon. I hope we will see them....
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Thu May 25, 2000 10:39 pm

United will keep and grow the PHL hub. This has been a cash cow for US Airways over the last several years. That is why two additional terminals and a new hanger currently are under construction. US has poached jets from its other routes (primarily BWI and PIT) to add service. The main constraint to additional service has been lack of gates.

My prediction, the CLT, IAD, PHL and PIT hubs all will stay because the population base will support it. Don't just consider the distance between the hubs, also consider the number of people and market size around these hubs. Having all the hubs also provides advantages when the weather (snow in winter or thunderstorms in spring/summer) plays havoc with the air traffic control. US has used the existence of the CLT, PHL and PIT hubs to dance around the weather very many times.
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RE: UA/US Hub, Route Structure

Thu May 25, 2000 10:45 pm

If the airlines do indeed merge, the Baltimore/Washington hub will probably
be one of the first to go. US Airways reduced operations there considerably,
and only started to rebuilt a schedule there with the introduction of Metrojet.
I think Metrojet will be absorbed into the United Shuttle (formerly the Shuttle
by United) although many routes will be pared.

The Philadelphia hub will remain. Charlotte will probably be United's answer
to Delta's Atlanta hub and if they're smart, they will market it as a less-
crowded, more manageable alternative to ATL. Pittsburgh is a very big hub
(it is, in fact, US Airways' largest, with close to 500 daily flights) so it is most
likely to remain and allow United's extra-capacity to by pass ORD and I
would not be surprised if the carrier is forced to move some flights or some
frequencies from ORD to PIT to alleviate antitrust concerns, not to mention
congestion at ORD.

The Dulles hub could be merged with the PHL one, in which case PHL could
go, although Philadelphia is the fifth largest metropolitan area in the USA
and a viable hub city.

If the merger is approved, United will have to reduce operations at Reagan
National, Boston-Logan, and probably LaGuardia as well to appease the DOJ.

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RE: Continental/EWR

Fri May 26, 2000 12:55 am

Neither the PHL nor IAD hubs are going anywhere. [Unless the regulators force them to sell one to American, Delta or someone else.]

The IAD hub allows the combined carrier to be the primary carrier for the area of business and population growth for the DC/BWI area (Virginia is where the business and population are moving). [This includes DC's high tech sector.] It also allows them to be the dominant Int'l carrier for the Nation's capital.

The PHL hub allows the carrier to service the area from Wilmington, Del to Princeton, NJ. PHL also is the closest alternative to the New York area airports (including EWR). Add to that, PHL has been US Airways biggest cash cow over the last several years. United is not buying US Airways to shut down its biggest assets.

You don't pay $4+ billion and assume $7+ billion in debt and then shut down the biggest assets. United is not buying US Airways with the idea of shutting down CLT, PHL or PIT. As I stated above, in the Northeast with the high population density, don't get caught up in the distances between hubs. Look at the population base and the level of O&D traffic provided.
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RE: Post Merger Future Of CLT

Fri May 26, 2000 2:18 am

I would hope that CLT would be maintained as a UA hub, if this very bad proposed merger were to go through. CLT is the most pleasant of the hubs through which I have flown...I love the rocking chairs. Pretty good plane spotting there too. I think I saw a BA 777 departing RWY 18L on Tuesday while awaiting my CLT-ALB connection on an US 737-400. Can anyone confirm BA using 777 for CLT-LGW?
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RE: UA/US Hub, Route Structure

Fri May 26, 2000 2:38 am

Charlotte will be UA's answer to ATL, judging from all the new one-stop service to Asia and Latin America that it will be getting. That is at least 7 jumbos per week, plus all the widebodies to Latin America. I think all the hubs will be maintained.

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RE: UA/US Hub, Route Structure

Fri May 26, 2000 7:11 am

I am sure that IAD will stay. IAD is the best airport in the USA I have been to, it is very spacious and has that futuristic (60's design) fell to it that i havent found anywhere else.BWI will be dropped for sure because US Airways now operates half of Metrojet flights from IAD anyways, so the BWI flights will all be transferred to IAD


p/s the best airport in the world is Barcelona, Spain (BCN)!!!
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RE: UA/US Hub, Route Structure

Fri May 26, 2000 7:19 am

I was looking at the hubs today.

MCI(US) - I believe all will be transfered to DEN
MIA(UA) - Any posibility of all these flights being moved to CLT?
JFK(UA) - I think they should move internationals to BOS and domestics to LGA as both have large USAir operations
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RE: UA/US Hub, Route Structure

Fri May 26, 2000 9:30 am

Keep + Expand:

LGA (except for shuttle)


Maybe UA will use the strength of US in the Northeast and create flights like SYR-LAX, ALB-LAX, ALB-DEN, SYR/ALB-SFO. Daily there are many commuter flights via Alleghany into and out of ALB and other NorthEast Cities to feed right into a UA flight X-Country.

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RE: UA/US Hub, Route Structure

Fri May 26, 2000 9:50 am

Has anyone considered that UAL has a lot of operational problems at ORD and could really use the infrastructure of PIT to help alleviate some of its congestion?

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