SJCRRPAX
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European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:52 am

I am in the planning stages for a once in a life time European Vacation for my family and I am wondering what would be the best equivalent of SWA in Europe?
These are the qualities I would look for:
1. Last Minute reservations no more than 2x the cost of early purchase
2. Reasonable prices on all routes all the time (does not need to be lowest)
3. No penalty for last day changes to reservations.
4. One way tickets prices at .5x round trip.
5. Easy Web booking and toll free number from anywhere in Europe
6. Frequent schedule (i.e, SJC to SAN about what, 6 times daily?)

I have looked at RyanAir, and their website makes me believe they are "smoke and Mirrors" -- I hate their marketing approach, "Millions of Free Flights", although I am tempted to just get a hotel In London and than Fly everywhere for free. But so far my Idea is to Fly from NYC to Glasgow on ICELANDAIR, use trains to London, fly to Madrid and than fly back from Rome. But I am still Planning, so that's where you all come in at. Thanks.
 
pgtravel
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting Sjcrrpax (Thread starter):
I am in the planning stages for a once in a life time European Vacation for my family and I am wondering what would be the best equivalent of SWA in Europe?

I have looked at RyanAir, and their website makes me believe they are "smoke and Mirrors" -- I hate their marketing approach, "Millions of Free Flights", although I am tempted to just get a hotel In London and than Fly everywhere for free. But so far my Idea is to Fly from NYC to Glasgow on ICELANDAIR, use trains to London, fly to Madrid and than fly back from Rome. But I am still Planning, so that's where you all come in at. Thanks.

Ryanair actually isn't smoke and mirrors. They really do offer free flights, though you do have to pay government taxes that may apply. Their strategy is to make money on the ancillary business, so you'll have to pay even for water on board, but it makes the ticket inexpensive.

You'll find Ryanair has great coverage, but they tend to fly to airports that are further out of the way. Easyjet is another good option that is also quite large but tends to fly more to the main airports. Those are the two largest carriers that fit your criteria. There are many more throughout Europe - it's much more fragmented than the US is right now on that front.

If you do take Icelandair, make sure you take a stopover in Iceland one way. It is an unbelievable place.
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting Sjcrrpax (Thread starter):
I am in the planning stages for a once in a life time European Vacation for my family and I am wondering what would be the best equivalent of SWA in Europe?

One mistake when traveling to Europe is the "once in a lifetime" mindset. Everyone figures they only go to Europe once, cramming everything into a hellacious 1-2 weeks. In the end, all of the distinct cultures blend into a museum hopping chore. It's sort of like eating a Skittles bag in 2 minutes, they all taste the same after the first handful.

Visiting three countries is about right. Just be sure to give yourself one entire leisure day in each where you plan little to nothing in advance.

Good luck !
 
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:13 am

Most excellent advice, DfwRevolution!
 
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:17 am

Agreed with DFW ... do Europe many times ... its cheap flying there from the U.S. The site I use is : http://www.low-cost-airline-guide.com/index.htm : gives you a good overview and is extremely helpful I think.

-A.

PS - From England, also check out Sky Europe - they are having a magnificient sale.
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 4):
Agreed with DFW ... do Europe many times ... its cheap flying there from the U.S. The site I use is : http://www.low-cost-airline-guide.com/index.htm : gives you a good overview and is extremely helpful I think.

Is that a pair of stolen a.net photos I see on the top of their page?!?  duck 

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BDKLEZ
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:47 am

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 5):
Is that a pair of stolen a.net photos I see on the top of their page?!?

Being an EZY fella, I can confirm that the easyJet photo is from the corporate pages of the easyjet.com - see below. Regards Excel, no idea. Oh and back on the subject, while you're in Europe, "Come on, let's fly!".  vomit 

http://easyjet.com/common/img/photo002.jpg
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md90fan
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:02 am

IIRC EasyJet's A319s seat 156? or was it 147?
http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
 
BDKLEZ
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:09 am

You're right the fist time, it's 156. The 737's and 733's have 149.

 

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N200WN
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:49 pm

Have you considered WN to BWI then getting on Icelandair from there? I know a lot of Southwest employees that use Icelandair out of BWI to get to Europe.
 
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:02 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 8):
You're right the fist time, it's 156

That has been discussed many times on here, do a search if really interested.

Also consider

www.germanwings.com

www.hlx.com

www.vueling.com

www.flydba.com
 
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:43 pm

Quoting Sjcrrpax (Thread starter):
Agreed with DFW ... do Europe many times ... its cheap flying there from the U.S. The site I use is : http://www.low-cost-airline-guide.com/index.htm : gives you a good overview and is extremely helpful I think.

I just wanted to wrap up this thread. Thanks for all that contributed. I especially like the link given above. My conclusion is that EasyJet is the equivalent, it would be kind of cool to see Easyjet go head to head with Southwest and see who survives!

I've tried to pare down my sites, but Europe looks like such a great place to visit (Only 4 days in Rome, 4 days in Paris, and 4 days in London how will I live...)
I noticed one odd thing, when I went to book a flight from Rome to Zurich on Swiss Air it was around 100 RT I think it was, which was pretty reasonable but a one way trip was 500. This is the kind of Nonsense I was trying to avoid. Instead I'll Fly Easyjet into Geneva and train over to Zurich (thanks to the above link)
 
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:49 pm

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 11):
I just wanted to wrap up this thread. Thanks for all that contributed. I especially like the link given above. My conclusion is that EasyJet is the equivalent, it would be kind of cool to see Easyjet go head to head with Southwest and see who survives!

I've tried to pare down my sites, but Europe looks like such a great place to visit (Only 4 days in Rome, 4 days in Paris, and 4 days in London how will I live...)
I noticed one odd thing, when I went to book a flight from Rome to Zurich on Swiss Air it was around 100 RT I think it was, which was pretty reasonable but a one way trip was 500. This is the kind of Nonsense I was trying to avoid. Instead I'll Fly Easyjet into Geneva and train over to Zurich (thanks to the above link)

Im not sure you fully grasp what Europe is all about and how you should go about visiting that continent as a tourist from a different continent ..+ the fact that your looking at EasyJet as being the only equivalent..

I think your making a mistake going to Paris, London and Rome on the same trip, too much to see and to take in my humble opinion.
 
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:00 pm

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 11):
Instead I'll Fly Easyjet into Geneva and train over to Zurich

Yes, that's a good idea. The railway stations are adjacent or below the terminals in both cases. The trains are clean, comfortable, choice of meals in restaurant somewhat limited, but minibars visit the wagons regularly.

The IC trains(double-deckers) will take 3 hours and a few minutes to ZRH, time to allow you a great choice of wonderful scenery along your route. Time to relax and enjoy!

Slan for now!

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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:32 pm

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 8):
You're right the fist time, it's 156.

Weren't they taking seats out to drop F/A spending?

As far as European LCCs go, none really compare to WN. They don't have FF programs like Rapid Rewards, they charge for drinks and snacks, they have inflexible fare structures, ultra-low baggage allowances, etc. The only one that gets close is dba, which serves a rather limited market.
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lehovec
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:30 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Weren't they taking seats out to drop F/A spending?

As far as European LCCs go, none really compare to WN. They don't have FF programs like Rapid Rewards, they charge for drinks and snacks, they have inflexible fare structures, ultra-low baggage allowances, etc. The only one that gets close is dba, which serves a rather limited market.

No, they will not take seats out at this stage. Also there were some rumors that new 319 are coming with 149 seats which is also not true.

All the you described that European low fare carriers don't have, Air Berlin has it.
I think they are really great (although I work for easyJet) and offer great product.
 
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:35 pm

Quoting Lehovec (Reply 15):

All the you described that European low fare carriers don't have, Air Berlin has it.
I think they are really great (although I work for easyJet) and offer great product.

Just be glad you work for U2, given the stories that have come from Air Berlin staff.
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lehovec
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 7:56 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Quoting Lehovec (Reply 15):

All the you described that European low fare carriers don't have, Air Berlin has it.
I think they are really great (although I work for easyJet) and offer great product.

Just be glad you work for U2, given the stories that have come from Air Berlin staff.

I am more then glad to work for EZY. It is trully the best low fare to work for... didn't hear anything about AB stories... Could you pls share it with me... Thanks.
 
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:11 pm

Quoting Lehovec (Reply 17):
didn't hear anything about AB stories... Could you pls share it with me... Thanks.

Well, there have been many stories about overworking of staff and major scare tactics, as well as unsafe practices.

Quoting Lehovec (Reply 17):

I am more then glad to work for EZY. It is trully the best low fare to work for...

Should give WN's stats a look before saying that
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lehovec
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:16 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Quoting Lehovec (Reply 17):
didn't hear anything about AB stories... Could you pls share it with me... Thanks.

Well, there have been many stories about overworking of staff and major scare tactics, as well as unsafe practices.

Sound like FR. Have few friends in FR and the stories they are telling me...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Quoting Lehovec (Reply 17):

I am more then glad to work for EZY. It is trully the best low fare to work for...

Should give WN's stats a look before saying that

Well...  Smile European low fare anyway.  Wink
 
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:28 pm

Quoting Lehovec (Reply 19):

Sound like FR. Have few friends in FR and the stories they are telling me...

Yeah, FR are not the best to their people, but I do think they put safety first.
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lehovec
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RE: European Equivalent Of SWA?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:18 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Quoting Lehovec (Reply 19):

Sound like FR. Have few friends in FR and the stories they are telling me...

Yeah, FR are not the best to their people, but I do think they put safety first.

Any reply from me considering this would be interpreted as slagging of the competition, so I will keep quiet.  Wink