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Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:20 am

Does anyone know if any of the carriers that have already placed orders for the A380 plan to install large public spaces, sucha as lounges, restaurants, or maybe even casinos, aboard their particular A380's?

I remember the days when 747's had piano lounges and were sold as cruise ships in the sky. However, those days are long gone, having fallen to the immutable laws of economics.

Does anyone know if the super-luxurious features hinted at for Airbus's superjumbo will be actualized by any of the airlines that have currently committed to it? The A380 does have a lot of room, but will any airline want to configure much of it to include relatively inefficient public space, such as a lounge, rather than as a relatively normal, seat-filled aircraft?

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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:26 am

Virgin Atlantic has said some things but I have not heard anything since.
 
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:28 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):

I remember the days when 747's had piano lounges and were sold as cruise ships in the sky. However, those days are long gone, having fallen to the immutable laws of economics.

Airbus have promised to repeal the laws of economics. The airlines are skeptical.
 
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:28 am

QF has said they will have a meeting room of some type so business pax can have meetings while inflight, but as Shamrock said above, there hasn't been much said, I think they are all keeping it secret.
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:30 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
Airbus have promised to repeal the laws of economics. The airlines are skeptical.

Notice also that Boeing has promised the same, what with the huge lounge bar in the 747-8 mockups  Wink
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:35 am

The A380 was really built for lots of passengers and I think many airlines will stick with that. It would be nice to see something different in an aircraft as wide as the A380.
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:35 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 4):

Notice also that Boeing has promised the same, what with the huge lounge bar in the 747-8 mockups Wink


[sarcasm]Don't forget that Boeing always delivers what it promise, while by Airbus it's all PR[/sarcasm]
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:58 am

But the 748 offers such things in addition to existing pax space or even to generate MORE space, while the A388 would require cutting into pax or cargo space for any such amenities. There is a big difference. The 748 concepts only take a hit in weight, but not capacity. The A380 concepts take a hit in capacity, but probably not weight.
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:02 am

When Airbus announced the launch of the A3XX, they said, restaurants, gym and many more luxury things will be placed inside the aircraft... It's very nice idea, but imagine how many seats can you put in that area where you can open a gym or restaurant... And nowadays, when I got only plastic-sandwich for 8 hrs of flying, nobody wants to have less seats because of something luxury... I think a bar and nothing more will be there for business and first paxs like VS has it now.
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting BR076 (Reply 6):
[sarcasm]Don't forget that Boeing always delivers what it promise, while by Airbus it's all PR[/sarcasm]


And if you add the 'fact' that Airbusses are always sold for bargain prices while Boeing doesn't even know about discounts, it all becomes very obvious and clear..

I'm very curious if we'll see some luxurious A380's, apart from the private A380's. I hope VS will surprise us.

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Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:37 am

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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:22 am

I guess the airlines are playing it close to the vest. Or perhaps it's the old saying: "What you don't know, won't hurt you." (Or the airlines, for that matter.) It's better to maintain a certain mystique than to show your hand, particularly if you're going to be held to your promises.

I suppose it's slightly different with manufacturers, who can promise fanciful interior options and so forth, since ultimately the buck stops with the airline companies who have the final say on how to actually outfit the cabins.

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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:41 am

I've seen this vapor-marketing with the design launch of all large planes since the 1960s and have yet to see any of those designs come to fruition. Being up to the airlines, they have a trembling hand always pushing toward trying to pack as many coach seats as possible.
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:48 am

Quoting Jcavinato (Reply 12):
Being up to the airlines, they have a trembling hand always pushing toward trying to pack as many coach seats as possible.

I agree. That said, some of the larger international carriers HAVE put in "sky suites" (e.g., fully reclinable, partitioned seats in a herringbone configuration) in first-class, which I suppose should count for something. I don't remember this kind of sleeper seats being quite as popular until relatively recently. I remember seeing historical photos of sleeper seats in the earliest airliners (pre-jet age) but they seem to have been more or less phased out in the 1960's through the 1990's, until now. So, maybe there's hope for super-premium features after all.
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 13):
So, maybe there's hope for super-premium features after all.

indeed. when i first joined singapore airlines 10 years ago, our 744s had between 16 to 24 first class seats. now, we only have 12 f class seats. we also have less raffles class seats today, compared to a decade ago as well. singapore airlines have hired a well known british yacht interior designer/builder to design the premium cabins of our a380s, therefore we should have very high end & luxurious products to offer once the a380s are being introduced.
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:07 am

Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 14):
singapore airlines have hired a well known british yacht interior designer/builder to design the premium cabins of our a380s, therefore we should have very high end & luxurious products to offer once the a380s are being introduced.

I look forward to enjoying these on SQ's B777-300ERs.  Smile
 
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:07 am

Even with the...conservative...pitch factors that Airbus and Boeing both use to determine capacities, it does seem that ~470 pax is a little low for airlines like QF and SQ for a plane with close to twice the floorspace (yes, I know it's not all usable) of their ~350 pax 744s.

And as noted, they are all keeping very tight reins on their interior accompanyments, so we may very well see some special things at first to generate excitement and F and C sales.  Smile

Then, a few years from now when F and C sales have stabalized and it's time for a D check, they can rip out the goodies and toss more Economy seats in those spaces.  Wink
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:28 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 4):
Notice also that Boeing has promised the same, what with the huge lounge bar in the 747-8 mockups Wink

The lounge bar is actually just an option for one of the gallies (the one nearest the stairs which has been moved in the new design IIRC).
 
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:41 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
Even with the...conservative...pitch factors that Airbus and Boeing both use to determine capacities, it does seem that ~470 pax is a little low for airlines like QF and SQ for a plane with close to twice the floorspace (yes, I know it's not all usable) of their ~350 pax 744s.

The actual cabin floor area of the WhaleJet is 48% greater than that of the B747-400 (552 sq meters to 372 sq meters). The usable floor space is 40-45% greater.
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:43 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
I look forward to enjoying these on SQ's B777-300ERs.

I bet that, for you, the seats will be much more confortable on the 773ER than on the 380's, right?  Wink

You just love the A380 so much!  Silly

PS: Looks like SQ want's to delay the 773ER's deliveries so that the 380 will be the first aircraft to have the new seats... hehe  tongue 

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Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:36 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):

Airbus have promised to repeal the laws of economics. The airlines are skeptical.

It seems to me to be the other way around. Normally airlines would have about 15% less seats on their plans relative to what the manufactures claim as typical. However, on the 380 that seems to be roughly in line with what the plane offers with 555 pax (about 10-15% more space per seat compared to average). So reducing the number of seats on the 380 to somewhere around 470-480 indicates that something new is on its way. My guess is that this extra space will be in business and first (the rest of us in Y will be cramped in as usual). Potentially the 380 might empty the front end of other competing aircrafts on the routes it will fly.

Yes I do think that this is more than just having the same seats on a 777 as on the 380...

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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:29 pm

Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 9):
I'm very curious if we'll see some luxurious A380's, apart from the private A380's

So far only one person has even hinted a Biz A380 and thats a Middle Eastern Oil person who wants to remain anoymous. How you can be anonymous with that giant following you round is beyond belief.

Thats what I want for Christmas Big grin plus about USD$150 000 000 worth of fuel (just so and fly it) plus money for FA's and pilots and mechanics plus landing and airport hangar hire plus spare parts and other maintenance aspects plus all other expences that could occur.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
470 pax is a little low for airlines like QF

QF will have 555 seats on their A380's.

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Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:39 pm

In the early stages of the A380 we were promised shopping malls, multi-screen cinemas, bowling alleys, lounge bars, swimming pools and spas, gyms, double bedrooms with private facilities and anything else that people could dream up without thinking about loss of revenue/weight restrictions.

In reality, the most you will probably see is perhaps a bar for premium class passengers or a space where they can "raid the larder", just like you see on some A340s/744s today. Branson did say that VS would have on-board casinos, but this would probably be a channel on the IFE, if anything.
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:28 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
But the 748 offers such things in addition to existing pax space or even to generate MORE space, while the A388 would require cutting into pax or cargo space for any such amenities. There is a big difference. The 748 concepts only take a hit in weight, but not capacity. The A380 concepts take a hit in capacity, but probably not weight.

Don't understand your post. Are you trying to say that a lounge on the 748 increases pax space and the same lounge on the A388 decreases pax space???
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:54 pm

Quoting Joni (Reply 10):
If someone gave me money every time this thread comes up, I wouldn't need to work anymore.

If I received money, when ever a thread about the A380 being a flop comes up, I would be able to afford my self an A380.  Wink

Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 14):
singapore airlines have hired a well known british yacht interior designer/builder to design the premium cabins of our a380s, therefore we should have very high end & luxurious products to offer once the a380s are being introduced.

Very interesting news Singaporegirl. It will be interesting to see what SQ comes up with.

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Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:20 pm

Quoting BCAL (Reply 22):
In the early stages of the A380 we were promised shopping malls, multi-screen cinemas, bowling alleys, lounge bars, swimming pools and spas, gyms, double bedrooms with private facilities and anything else that people could dream up without thinking about loss of revenue/weight restrictions.

Multi-screen cinemas, bowling alleys and swimming pools. Yeah right. Show us where things like that were promised apart from discussions here on a.net where ridiculous statements like this were used in sarcasm to make fun of the A380.

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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:51 pm

at the end of the day, all these features will use space that can be used for revenue paying passengers! its not gonna happen!
 
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Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:01 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
But the 748 offers such things in addition to existing pax space or even to generate MORE space, while the A388 would require cutting into pax or cargo space for any such amenities. There is a big difference. The 748 concepts only take a hit in weight, but not capacity. The A380 concepts take a hit in capacity, but probably not weight.

The space under the front stairs can not have any seat in it. That would allow a bit of room for a small bar or VS massage service etc...

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 21):
So far only one person has even hinted a Biz A380 and thats a Middle Eastern Oil person who wants to remain anoymous. How you can be anonymous with that giant following you round is beyond belief.

Well you'd be anonymous once it's in airline colours, then the normal public won't be able to tell if it's a super-luxury A380 or just a pax one... And seeing as a few of the A380 airline customers have rich owners, who knows!
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 25):
Multi-screen cinemas, bowling alleys

The multi-screen cinema already exists - ever seen a Y cabin with PTVs?

I believe the bowling alley will be an IFE game  Smile

I have also heard that QF will be providing a lounge area for their Y passengers for the first time, not just upgrading F and J.

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Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:38 pm

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 25):


Quoting BCAL,reply=22:

In the early stages of the A380 we were promised shopping malls, multi-screen cinemas, bowling alleys, lounge bars, swimming pools and spas, gyms, double bedrooms with private facilities and anything else that people could dream up without thinking about loss of revenue/weight restrictions.

Multi-screen cinemas, bowling alleys and swimming pools. Yeah right. Show us where things like that were promised apart from discussions here on a.net where ridiculous statements like this were used in sarcasm to make fun of the A380.

Sarcasm aside, it is a valid point ...

When A380 was announced there were all kinds of fanciful cabins that were shown ... and just as fast as they were announced, people were noting here on a.net about the fact that we'd probably never actually see due to economics ...

Now that the plane is here, what was talked about back then is pretty much coming true ... the economics of the world make their presense known, and airlines wake up to reality ...

Technology also makes a difference -- why have a casino when you can simply offer games as part of the IFE ?

Same thing w/multi-channels of movies ...

Bowling on the other hand ... setting aside the issue of floor slope (which would make bowling REAL interesting) that plane probably has enough real estate for an lane or two.

Maybe the Sultan of Brunai will order one ...

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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:40 am

I was flying NH HKG-NRT last week in business class, 744. It had a "bar counter" area with 3 strap-in bar stools and also a 2-seat "business office" zone in the upper deck. Nobody was using either in any way.

This year I have flown 10+ intercontinental business-class trips. From my experience, the only thing you want to do on those flights is SLEEP. Thus, if instead of putting in a useless bar or lounge, they put in futons and king-sized beds, they would get my vote...
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:23 am

Quoting A360 (Reply 19):
I bet that, for you, the seats will be much more confortable on the 773ER than on the 380's, right?

If they're the same seats, then the seat comfort should be invariant with aircraft type -- even for me.  Wink

Quoting A360 (Reply 19):
You just love the A380 so much!

I really do have a fondness for the WhaleJet, but I try not to let it cloud my judgment regarding the business case for it.

Quoting Abba (Reply 20):
My guess is that this extra space will be in business and first (the rest of us in Y will be cramped in as usual).

Just look at the cabin width specifications. 3-5-3 on a WhaleJet will be more spacious than 3-4-3 on a JumboJet. While I don't believe Airbus' performance claims, I do believe their specifications.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 21):
QF will have 555 seats on their A380's.

No. I don't recall the exact number, but QF will have -- at least initially -- fewer than 500 seats on their WhaleJets.
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:34 am

If luxurious lounges are to be offered in the A380, Emirates would be the airliner to offer it, because Emirates is the airline that always tries to be the pioneer in luxury. However If offering luxury lounges proves profitable on the long run I do see Virgin doing that also.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:51 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 31):
No. I don't recall the exact number, but QF will have -- at least initially -- fewer than 500 seats on their WhaleJets.

Yes... they will have around 470 seats on the A380's.

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:02 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 18):
The actual cabin floor area of the WhaleJet is 48% greater than that of the B747-400 (552 sq meters to 372 sq meters). The usable floor space is 40-45% greater.

Thanks. I thought 100% was too high.  Smile

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 21):
QF will have 555 seats on their A380's.

I am pretty sure that QF announced that they were lowering their seat-count to more closely match SQ, which I believe has said would be around 470. The suites alone will cut the F cabin capacity Airbus shows pretty heavily, to say nothing of the Business Class seats. If QF really wanted 555 seats in there, they'd either have the most uncompetitive F and C cabins in existance (equal to what was de riguer in 1986, not 2006) or Economy class folks would have to stand. Big grin
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:47 am

Quoting A380jet777 (Reply 32):

correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I heard somewhere that Emirates will NOT put in any lounges. No source, so this is probably just flamebate  duck 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:58 am

The A-380 was built to be a cattle car and that is exactly how it will be used. I would expect to see 550-650 pax on them. They willl give each coach pax a little sticker that says "moooo" on it as you climb on board. I seriously doubt you will ever see a mall or casino. You may see a small bar or small meeting room, but nothing more than that.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:03 am

I am very confused on how they can put a swimming pool on an airplane. Would the water splash around when taking off, landing and turbulence? With a mall, I would think that it would take up the whole plane. I think all of this is a bit too much.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 36):
I seriously doubt you will ever see a mall or casino. You may see a small bar or small meeting room, but nothing more than that.

I think you will see those on the virgin planes in the beginning.

After a few years of operating the aircraft, it will be replaced with seats anyway..

We have seen this before, and it will continue to go that way.
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 9):
Quoting BR076 (Reply 6):
[sarcasm]Don't forget that Boeing always delivers what it promise, while by Airbus it's all PR[/sarcasm]


And if you add the 'fact' that Airbusses are always sold for bargain prices while Boeing doesn't even know about discounts, it all becomes very obvious and clear..

I'm very curious if we'll see some luxurious A380's, apart from the private A380's. I hope VS will surprise us.

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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:15 am

The 380 has had sufficient hype for the high paying pax to expect something better than they get on a 747 - which puts pressure on the airlines to deliver.

The interesting area will be the cattle car section. If weight is a real issue in actual operations then there might be a noticeable increase in pitch simply because the plane won't deliver with heavy packing of pax. I have a feeling that, even with good fuel economy, the airlines will trade some of the discount seats for extra cargo. Either way you might be able to stretch your legs on a long haul cattle car flight.
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:47 am

I've been pondering this thread and have come to the conclusion that "what goes around comes around." Remember those sepia colored pix of PA "stewardesses" bedding down passengers in the flying boats. Even the zeppelin Hindenburg had individual bedrooms where passengers could sleep in comfort.

One of the reasons is that in those days the flights took forever to get to their destination. Now, with the new super long-range aircraft coming back into service, there might be a need again for such amenities on an 18+ hour flight.

Be sure, however, that the ticket price for these kind of extra perks will cost the passenger an arm and a leg, just like it did in the good old days. If SQ is hiring a British yacht designer to give little cubices that teak nautical look, you can be sure that cubicle won't come at a cattle class price. Yes, and there will be pax who will pay that price. And yes, and the airline will make more out of him/her than from 8-10 discounted Y passengers.

Let's wait and see.


As far as shopping malls are concerned, I pity the clerk selling Delft china or Czech crystal during turbulence. More likely Norwegian wool sweaters.
 
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:15 am

Quoting Joni (Reply 10):
If someone gave me money every time this thread comes up, I wouldn't need to work anymore.

Well, depends how much money they were giving you i suppose.
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RE: Super-Luxury On A380?

Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:40 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 31):
Just look at the cabin width specifications. 3-5-3 on a WhaleJet will be more spacious than 3-4-3 on a JumboJet. While I don't believe Airbus' performance claims, I do believe their specifications.

Never believe preformance claims of aircrafts not yet in operation. That includes ALL aircrafts yet to prove their credentials! However, there are indications at this stage that the 380 will be better than promised and might even fly faster than first anticipated (as fast as the 747). And the separation issue seems not as significant than it might first appear. So there are good reasons to be optimistic on behalf of the 380.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):
If QF really wanted 555 seats in there, they'd either have the most uncompetitive F and C cabins in existance (equal to what was de riguer in 1986, not 2006) or Economy class folks would have to stand

Having about 510-530 pax on the 380 will equal the space per pax that QF now has in actual operation on their 747s (358 or 343 pax layout - about 1.04 - 1.08 m2 per pax).


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