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Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:22 pm

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SINGAPORE -- Boeing Co. (BA) looks set to beat arch-rival Airbus (ABI.YY) in a contest valued at upwards of US$10 billionto supply Singapore Airlines Ltd. (S55.SG) with new long-range passenger planes, according to people familiar with the airline's plans.

SIA, the world's second-biggest airline by market capitalization, is mulling a firm order for 66 to 80 Boeing aircraft, with an option for up to another 30, these people said.

"The indication is an order made up mostly of the 777-200LRs and a significant number of the 787 Dreamliners. A few, 5 or 6, of the 747-Advance freighters may also be part of the order," one of the sources said.

At this point, SIA isn't considering including any Airbus planes in the order, he and two other people said.

[...]

"The announcement (from SIA) could be made anytime between now and the lunar new year (on Jan. 29) and then formalized during the (Asian Aerospace) air show in February," another source said.

[...goes on for a while longer ...]


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Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:32 pm

Great news, if it pans out!
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:39 pm

Grat news, for Boeing, that is, but not a big surprise, except for the quantity. If it counts for this year, will Boeing reach 1000 orders?

(what is Airbus' score now, by the way?)
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:52 pm

There is nil chance that the SQ order will be firmly booked this year. It will be a good start to Boeing's 2006 sales.

There is a slim chance that Boeing could reach 1000 this year even without SQ.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:00 pm

This will be superb news for Boeing, and will make an excellent start to the 2006 order books. Since the source says its obvious Airbus has now lost this order (but we all know this could change) then Airbus will be getting very desperate for A350 orders and we could see a good price drop for other airlines to order some A350s.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:01 pm

According to Dow Jones:

14:32 23Dec2005 OBI-DJ Singapore Air Likely To Tap Boeing For New Order-SourcesSI>

By Abdul Hadhi Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

SINGAPORE (Dow Jones)--Boeing Co. (BA) looks set to beat arch-rival Airbus (ABI.YY) in a contest valued at upwards of US$10 billionto supply Singapore Airlines Ltd. (S55.SG) with new long-range passenger planes, according to people familiar with the airline's plans.
SIA, the world's second-biggest airline by market capitalization, is mulling a firm order for 66 to 80 Boeing aircraft, with an option for up to another 30, these people said. "The indication is an order made up mostly of the 777 200LRs and a significant number of the 787 Dreamliners. A few, 5 or 6, of the 747-Advance freighters may also be part of the order," one of the sources said.

At this point, SIA isn't considering including any Airbus planes in the order, he and two other people said.

Other notes include total firm orders for 66 to 80 airplanes plus 30 options with majority to be 772LR.

Source: Dow Jones

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:12 pm

That would be a great kick for the 777-200LR. It's pretty awesome to see it flying around the Puget Sound area.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:13 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5):
According to Dow Jones:

That's pretty much what I posted. Dow Jones == WSJ.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
That's pretty much what I posted. Dow Jones == WSJ

Fine will suggest deletion if you like, I went to post, saw your thread in the filter, cancelled mine at just thre this into your thread so as not to breach the protocol of a double thread.

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:29 pm

Can Boeing pull off the Hat Trick? Airbus made a lot of sound about being able to pull one of the QF, SQ or CX orders, only to have CX (which according to analysts was the easiest order for them to pick up) slip away and loose QF in a close close battle.

Airbus made a lot of hype around the A345 at SQ for all time distance record. If Boeing picks up this order, it sure seems to be the end of real competition between the A340 family and the 777.

60-80 Firm is a incredibly huge order... I think Airbus will send eveything including Leahy's bonus to seal this deal.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:42 pm

SQ have a reputation for being a tough and patient negotiator. Regardless of who wins, SQ will get a good deal.

The interesting thing about these reports is the claim that a majority of the orders will be for the B777-200LR. A majority of 66 to 80 planes is 34 to 41 or more. That seems like a very large order for the B777-200LR. Clearly, not all of those would be used for ULH -- even with SFO, ORD, EWR, JFK, and 2x LAX daily nonstops, 14 aircraft would suffice. SIN-GRU nonstop? I would start SIN-JNB-GRU first. SIN-EZE? Due to ETOPs routing issues, this one makes even more sense as SIN-JNB-EZE.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:47 pm

Sounds interesting...but after the whole QF thing...I'll believe it after I see it!

that being said...I certainly do hope Boeing wins this and SQ order some -200LR's..as its the better plane than their current A345 (yes, I'm biased...)

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:25 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
I certainly do hope Boeing wins this and SQ order some -200LR's..as its the better plane than their current A345 (yes, I'm biased...)

One needn't be biased to recognize that the B777-200LR is a better airplane than the A340-500. However, Airbus deserves credit (and earned sales) for getting to market years earlier.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:30 pm

This is good news for Boeing, if it's true.  Smile

Boeing has been "down and out" for a few years compared to Airbus, so maybe the next few years will see a Boeing resurgence.

Airbus has done very well for a company with its rather short history. It should not feel second-best at all, since Boeing has always been a strong contender.

Congrats to Boeing, if the news is correct.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:33 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
One needn't be biased to recognize that the B777-200LR is a better airplane than the A340-500. However, Airbus deserves credit (and earned sales) for getting to market years earlier.

Indeed. Now, the market and aircraft performance proves the 777 a better aircraft than A340.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:40 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 14):
Now, the market and aircraft performance proves the 777 a better aircraft than A340.

For all the criticism of Boeing in the last few years, and all the controversy about its past leadership, it seems like Boeing has made all the right choices. The 777 is a very capable aircraft, and popular, too. And, in addition, I think that Airbus has been playing a game of "catch-up" with Boeing lately, with regard to the A350 and so forth.

I just hope that Boeing builds on this momentum and follows through with the 747-8, which it's announced it will build, and the new 787 variants.

Basically, Boeing wants to take commercial airliners to the next technological level. Airbus did it -- sort of -- with the sidestick and fly-by-wire thing, but Boeing has a different approach, obviously. Boeing wants to incorporate the best of the fly-by-wire with human factors, new composite tech, new assembly techniques, new economics, and improved passenger comfort. Now, who can argue with that?

A real race to the top between two great competitors -- I'm getting out the popcorn!  

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:45 pm

Just on the subject of numbers of (firm) orders, Boeing is agonisingly close to an all-time record.

Their orders site now shows 870 orders in 2005 so far. The record is 877 in 1988, which presumably included orders gained by MD as well?

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:58 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
then Airbus will be getting very desperate for A350 orders and we could see a good price drop for other airlines to order some A350s.

I wouldn't count on any panicked price-slashing on the A350 anytime in the near future. The great preponderance of orders for the 787 over the 350 are in part due to their respective release dates. The numbers on paper (these are still paper airplanes after all) suggest that the two aircraft will tend to be at least close in terms of performance in several areas. There will be continued demand for aircraft of these sizes for the forseeable future, and with the 787's order book starting to look more and more like a phone book we should expect that those in demand will be tempted to look elsewhere for their supply. Also, the popularity of the 787 may even help the A350. With delivery slots for the near future in such short supply, Boeing will not be quite as eager to get into any price-cutting competitions with Airbus. Thus, Airbus needn't go as low with the A350 as they would have been willing to.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
That would be a great kick for the 777-200LR. It's pretty awesome to see it flying around the Puget Sound area.

I know! Wasn't it awesome to see it all done up in Boeing colors parked at Boeing Field and occasionally flying around? I don't care what anyone says about twins all looking alike; that is a neat aircraft to spot.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:09 pm

Quoting DarthRandall (Reply 17):
and with the 787's order book starting to look more and more like a phone book we should expect that those in demand will be tempted to look elsewhere for their supply.


Seeing how Boeings latest 787 customer (CR Airways) was able to get their hands on delivery slots in 2008, I doubt any of the current A350 customers went for the A350 due to lack of delivery slots at Boeing. IIRC TAM does not want them before the end of 2012. However, I could imagine that some 787 customers went Boeing due to the earlier availabilty of delivery slots.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:21 pm

If this order goes through it will show Boeing's dominance of the Asia-Pacific long-haul aircraft market. While the single-aisle market from India to Japan and down to Australia is more or less evenly divided between the 737NG and the A320, the 777 is the weapon of choice for Asian carriers, overwhelmingly so over the A340. While I am nopt bashing Airbus here, they really need to improve their marketing strategy for long-haul carriers in the A-Pac, because this is the region that will provide the bulk of new plane orders in the future. Heck, it provides the bulk of plane orders right now.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:22 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 18):
Seeing how Boeings latest 787 customer (CR Airways) was able to get their hands on delivery slots in 2008, I doubt any of the current A350 customers went for the A350 due to lack of delivery slots at Boeing. IIRC TAM does not want them before the end of 2012. However, I could imagine that some 787 customers went Boeing due to the earlier availabilty of delivery slots.

Very amusing spin, Manni.

Do you really, honestly believe what you wrote?

What evidence can you provide for us that proves any of what you're saying?
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:27 pm

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 20):
Very amusing spin, Manni.


Reread, no spinning at all.
If, like you suggested, airlines buy the A350, due to lack of delivery slots at Boeing. How come that 166 commitments have been placed for delivery atleast 2 years after CR Airways is to recieve their 787s?

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 20):
What evidence can you provide for us that proves any of what you're saying?

Just did.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:44 pm

I suppose SQ might order some B 747-8 as well.
 
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I suppose SQ might order some B 747-8 as well.

Given the important role that the Cargo business plays for SQ I guess they'll try out 747-8F before they even select the passenger model.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:29 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
SQ have a reputation for being a tough and patient negotiator. Regardless of who wins, SQ will get a good deal.

This is true, which makes me wonder why the WSJ source claimed Airbus wasn't running for the business anymore.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:21 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 22):
I suppose SQ might order some B 747-8 as well.

More likely B747-8F than B747-8I but either or both is possible.

Quoting Joni (Reply 24):
This is true, which makes me wonder why the WSJ source claimed Airbus wasn't running for the business anymore.

One possible reason would be that SQ are convinced that they've already got the best offer from Boeing that they'll ever get and are now sorting details. Short of industrial espionage (of which I'm not accusing anyone), I don't know how SQ could have that level of confidence. That Boeing and Airbus both submitted 11th hour bids to QF suggests exactly the opposite. Of course, the SQ announcement has already been postponed and we're clearly seeing the end-game now. Perhaps Airbus have already said that they won't improve their offer.

I would still be surprised to see SQ order more than 33 B777-200LR. A smaller number plus some B787-9s would make more sense to me.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:24 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 21):
If, like you suggested, airlines buy the A350, due to lack of delivery slots at Boeing. How come that 166 commitments have been placed for delivery atleast 2 years after CR Airways is to recieve their 787s?

Hi Manni, to clarify for you.

I believe, in this case, that HNA Group, owner of Hainan Airlines, are to take ownership of 70% of the Company which owns CR Airways. At the same time U.S. investor George Soros will increase his ownership stake in Hainan, to 25%. Now, if that goes through, which it appears it will, some of the 787s to be delivered to Hainan will go straight to CR Airways which explains why they will have access to 2008 deliveries.

Sorry for straying OT but if Boeing secure an order of this magnitude from SQ, including 748Fs it will be an amazing run which they will have had.

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:01 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 19):
While I am nopt bashing Airbus here, they really need to improve their marketing strategy for long-haul carriers in the A-Pac, because this is the region that will provide the bulk of new plane orders in the future. Heck, it provides the bulk of plane orders right now.

Isn't the A380 Airbus's answer to transporting the nascent hordes of passengers which the rapidly expanding economies of China and India are expected to generate?
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:18 pm

Thanks PanAm_DC10. Good to see, that we can always rely on you for a decent explanation.

However my point remains valid. QF has been able to get their hands on 2008 slots, after many airlines commited to the A350 (QF slots were apparently reserved for QR, but if TP or AY insisted Boeing would have found a way to serve them). TAM has ordered the A350 for delivery from 2012, surely Boeing had space available in 2012.

Airlines do not order the A350 due to lack of available delivery slots at the 787 line. With 112 units to be build a year, Boeing will have atleast a headstart of 224 aircraft, before Airbus delivers it's first A350.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:37 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 28):
With 112 units to be build a year, Boeing will have at least a headstart of 224 aircraft, before Airbus delivers it's first A350.

Is it "official" that Boeing and its subcontractors will have the capacity/capability to deliver 9+ units per month as early as 2008-2010?
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:45 pm

If this happens as reported by the WSJ, great news for Boeing. However, the WSJ has missed before, so I'll hold for a while to see what Boeing, Airbus, and SQ all have to say............
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:00 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 28):
However my point remains valid.

Thank you Manni, as you noted, I do not question your point. I was clarifying something for you. If you do not mind, I'd like to do so again, soley in the spirit of conversation.

Quoting Manni (Reply 28):
With 112 units to be build a year, Boeing will have atleast a headstart of 224 aircraft, before Airbus delivers it's first A350.

The 112 units you mention there is actually the amount of units which Boeing stated would be delivered to airlines in 2008 and 2009. That should be closer to the actual number they deliver to airlines prior to EIS of the A350 in 2010, rather than the 224 you mentioned.

Quoting Joni (Reply 24):
This is true, which makes me wonder why the WSJ source claimed Airbus wasn't running for the business anymore.

The story has been updated and appears to contradict itself a little.

At this point, SIA isn't considering including any Airbus planes in the order, he and two other people said.

This now has the following statement later in the same article

"However, aircraft makers typically offer their planes at a discount to list prices and the sources said that a steep last-minute price cut by Airbus officials - who continue to visit SIA offices in Singapore - could still persuade the airline to change its mind. Airbus is pitching its long-range A340-500 against the B777-200LR and the A350 against the B787."

Source: By Abdul Hadhi Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Also, It appears that the decision will more likely be made toward the end of the timeframe mentioned in the report, rather than sooner.

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:03 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 19):
If this order goes through it will show Boeing's dominance of the Asia-Pacific long-haul aircraft market. While the single-aisle market from India to Japan and down to Australia is more or less evenly divided between the 737NG and the A320, the 777 is the weapon of choice for Asian carriers, overwhelmingly so over the A340. While I am nopt bashing Airbus here, they really need to improve their marketing strategy for long-haul carriers in the A-Pac, because this is the region that will provide the bulk of new plane orders in the future. Heck, it provides the bulk of plane orders right now.

???
- The A320 is now by far the preferred single aisle aircraft among the new Asian Low costs.

- The A330 is a perfect choice for medium/long range intra asian routes.

- The A340-500 was the first to allow direct long range point to point service between cities in south Asia and the US. Because of 4 engines this aircraft remains attractive for
ETOPS restricted airlines. The A350 will enter this market as well with more up to date technologies.

- Airbus saw the incredible growth of China & India 10 years ago and decided to build the A380 for the many mega cities emerging in the region.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:09 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 27):
Isn't the A380 Airbus's answer to transporting the nascent hordes of passengers which the rapidly expanding economies of China and India are expected to generate?

Have a look at the flight schedule from Beijing to Shanghai and you'll find many single-aisle aircraft. That is the busiest route in China. No one is going to switch from a single aisle jet to a WhaleJet. There are a few widebodies on PEK-PVG, but most of those seem to be posititioning flights. Be sure to look at PEK-SHA too.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 31):
The 112 units you mention there is actually the amount of units which Boeing stated would be delivered to airlines in 2008 and 2009.

In the spirit of clarification, that's 112 B787s total for 2008 and 2009 combined. In other words, from the beginning of 2008 until the end of 2009, a total of 112 B787s. It is not 112 for 2008 plus another 112 for 2009.
 
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:21 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 33):
Quoting Leelaw (Reply 27):
Isn't the A380 Airbus's answer to transporting the nascent hordes of passengers which the rapidly expanding economies of China and India are expected to generate?

Have a look at the flight schedule from Beijing to Shanghai and you'll find many single-aisle aircraft. That is the busiest route in China. No one is going to switch from a single aisle jet to a WhaleJet. There are a few widebodies on PEK-PVG, but most of those seem to be posititioning flights. Be sure to look at PEK-SHA too.

I'm sure you're right. However, wasn't Cricket specifically talking about the "...need to improve their marketing strategy for long-haul carriers in the A-Pac?"
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:23 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 33):
In the spirit of clarification, that's 112 B787s total for 2008 and 2009 combined. In other words, from the beginning of 2008 until the end of 2009, a total of 112 B787s. It is not 112 for 2008 plus another 112 for 2009

Hi Zvezda again, in the spirit of clarification, please read my post again. If you had quoted my entire text sir you would see the following;

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 31):
The 112 units you mention there is actually the amount of units which Boeing stated would be delivered to airlines in 2008 and 2009. That should be closer to the actual number they deliver to airlines prior to EIS of the A350 in 2010, rather than the 224 you mentioned.

My point was the same as yours sir, 112 in 2008 and 2009. That was why I stated it (the 112) was closer to the number of deliveries prior to the A350 EIS, rather than the 224 mentioned by Manni

Nice to have a civil conversation at this time of the year  Smile

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:25 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 33):
Have a look at the flight schedule from Beijing to Shanghai and you'll find many single-aisle aircraft. That is the busiest route in China. No one is going to switch from a single aisle jet to a WhaleJet. There are a few widebodies on PEK-PVG, but most of those seem to be posititioning flights. Be sure to look at PEK-SHA too.

1- These are not all positioning flights
2- I don't know any aircraft called the "Whalejet"
3- They could use profitably the A380 right now today if they wanted to.
4- You should consider that route is growing.
5- A lot more flights will come to these airports, SHA, PVG, PEK requiring additional runways but at one point restrictions will put very quickly and suddenly pressure to use much larger aircraft where they can be used.
6- AFAIK Airbus never mentioned this route as an A380 route but i would not be surprised to see the A380s on that route in 5-15 years.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 9):
60-80 Firm is a incredibly huge order... I think Airbus will send eveything including Leahy's bonus to seal this deal.

They already are. It's clear that other factors than airframe acquisition cost are in play in a way that is different from past years.

IMO, operators simply trust B MUCH more than A these days. The market is B's to loose, not A's to gain.

A would be wise to make VAST changes at the top, and soon.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:18 pm

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 9):
If Boeing picks up this order, it sure seems to be the end of real competition between the A340 family and the 777.

I thought this already happened!

Anyways, great news for Boeing but as we all know, QF's order was in teh bag until the cunning Leahy flew down under. Rumor has it he flew a 777 back to France after he lost the QF order  biggrin . Bottom line is, it's not over until the whalejet....I mean the fat lady sings.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting N328KF (Thread starter):
The indication is an order made up mostly of the 777-200LRs

It'd be nice to see an order for a few dozen LRs just to shut up the a.nuts who keep talking trash about the LR.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:58 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 39):
It'd be nice to see an order for a few dozen LRs just to shut up the a.nuts who keep talking trash about the LR.

I think as much as I like the LR's, the A345 get's more bashing on a.net than the LR. I was bummed when QF didn't order the 772LR for the SYD-LHR run. I bet someone will one of these days though.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:05 pm

WAUW that would be a knock-out order!

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:17 pm

I find it interesting that there's no talk of any passenger 748's. I thought SQ was one of the airlines that participated in its design features. Also, SQ's current 747s are getting somewhat long in the tooth and they will have to start looking at replacing at least some of them (assuming the 773ER and 380 will eliminate the need for 747s at the bottom and top end of some routes).

Quoting DarthRandall (Reply 17):
and with the 787's order book starting to look more and more like a phone book we should expect that those in demand will be tempted to look elsewhere for their supply. Also, the popularity of the 787 may even help the A350. With delivery slots for the near future in such short supply, Boeing will not be quite as eager to get into any price-cutting competitions with Airbus. Thus, Airbus needn't go as low with the A350 as they would have been willing to.

Don't forget that with Airbus' later EIS with the 350, their production slots are also going to fill up for the first two years of production as well. And those two years are during periods beyond 2010, when Boeing still has production availability. Nevertheless, I believe Boeing is planning to address this very issue with talk the past that they're planning on increasing their production rates for the 787 beyond 2009. If they do, they may be able to staunch any orders going to Airbus just because of delivery slot unavailability.
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:18 pm

No surprises here, I feel SQ were always going to go the Boeing route. Have we seen a top tier airline order the 350 yet.......me thinks not........quite a few headaches in Toulouse if SQ does make a mammoth Boeing order...excellant news.

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Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:25 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 42):
I find it interesting that there's no talk of any passenger 748's. I thought SQ was one of the airlines that participated in its design features. Also, SQ's current 747s are getting somewhat long in the tooth and they will have to start looking at replacing at least some of them (assuming the 773ER and 380 will eliminate the need for 747s at the bottom and top end of some routes).

SQ would seem to have the following options (ordered by my expectation of decreasing likelihood):
- order some B747-8Is,
- order more B777-300ERs,
- order more WhaleJets,
- order some B747-400ERs, and
- keep some of their B747-400s flying past 2010.

Of course, a combination of 2 or 3 of these is possible.
 
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 21):
Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 20):
Very amusing spin, Manni.



Reread, no spinning at all.
If, like you suggested, airlines buy the A350, due to lack of delivery slots at Boeing. How come that 166 commitments have been placed for delivery atleast 2 years after CR Airways is to recieve their 787s?

Where and when did I suggest that?! Please show me.

I said no such thing because I really don't know and I am not about to make a claim that I can't suppport with evidence. I can reasonably assume that airlines bought the A350 because that is the aircraft they wanted.
 
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:18 am

Planedane, you are right, it was another poster in reply 17 that suggested this.

Sorry about the confusion.
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:27 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
SIN-EZE? Due to ETOPs routing issues, this one makes even more sense as SIN-JNB-EZE.

Ever been to EZE? Know much about Argentina? I don't see a market for SIN.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
However, Airbus deserves credit (and earned sales) for getting to market years earlier.

9/11 had a little something to do with the delayed entry of the 777LR, don't you think?

No need for you to be bitter about this order, because your Airbus will get its Lufthansa order next year.
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RE: WSJ: SQ Likely To Tap Boeing For New Order-Sources

Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:27 am

OK, somebody needs to get goin' on the fantasy liveries!!!!

SQ's 787's, 777LR's and 747-8 if you please!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: WSJ: SQ Likely To Tap Boeing For New Order-Sources

Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 47):
Ever been to EZE? Know much about Argentina?

Several times. I have a long-time friend in Cordoba. I was wearing a coat today that I bought in Argentina about 10 years ago.

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 47):
No need for you to be bitter about this order, because your Airbus will get its Lufthansa order next year.

I'm quite proud to be accused of being an Airbus cheerleader as often as I'm accused of being a Boeing cheerleader. It just goes to show that some people don't read very many posts before making accusations.  Smile

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