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Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:26 am

It seems that Independence Air has started a new schedule in January with only 3 full bank days (monday, thursday, and friday) and the rest are just a morning bank and a night bank or no morning bank and just a afternoon and night bank such as Sunday and no Saturday nights. I think it seems Flyi is closing up and they plan to set the bank up to handle just 17 CRJ at one time to use just A1/A3/A5 and leave A2/A4/A6 for any other airline who wishes to use it, (hmmm) this does tell us something....

one pier handles 6 CRJ, so only 3 piers is enough for just 17 flights

This sounds pretty interesting, I just cant imagine if I ever fly DH and see 1/2 of the terminal filled with UAX or something. 1/2 is blue and nice Independence Air design, and the other 1/2 is just UAX, it would get crowded.

It seems on Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturdays, and Sundays, you will only see 2 flights to all destinations except SJU (one daily flight) it seems.

It looks pretty sad for 2006 for DH
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:31 am

They're done......

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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:36 am

Where are you getting your info. I have not heard anything about them letting another airline use their Gates. True they are cutting schedules, but that is only temporary during traditionally slow months, January and February. Normal schedule is supposed to resume after Presidents Day.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Kevin82277 (Reply 2):
Normal schedule is supposed to resume after Presidents Day.

Right now, the schedule still shows as being reduced on off-peak days after Presidents' Day as well; it seems to go back to "normal" in early March. It appears PBI is being cut back to one daily flight; strangely, it appears that the aircraft sits at PBI for over 6 hours. Moreover, it also appears that they plan to leave an A319 at PBI each weekend from 1042 Saturday to 1705 Sunday; it also seems that nearly the same will happen at RSW with a 30-hour weekend layover.

There are also certain flights at non-peak times which are showing as only being available at FlyI's highest fare in a market; I'd suspect those are likely to be dropped from the schedule going forward, assuming DH is even still in business.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
They're done......

I guess DL is done too, they are giving up 2/3 of their
gates in MCO....down to 8 from 24
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:49 am

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 4):
I guess DL is done too, they are giving up 2/3 of their
gates in MCO....down to 8 from 24

Apples to oranges...is MCO Delta's only hub? NO.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):

Apples to oranges...is MCO Delta's only hub? NO.

Is MCO a hub for DL at all?
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:03 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6):
Is MCO a hub for DL at all?

Not really. The point was that DH giving up gates at IAD isn't comparable to Delta giving up gates at MCO...  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:24 am

I'm confused. Again.

We know that there will be an auction - or the results of one - on January 3. We know that United has bid for some or all of Indy and we know that Mesa has bid for some or all of Indy:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine...s/1310AP_United_Airlines_FLYi.html

So - what will Indy have left after January 3 to continue operations?

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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:39 am

Who's going to continue flying this airline? Most people want frequency, and with just two flights a day to most markets, I don't see them being attractive at all. I also think people will see them a joke in the upcoming months as they keep on cutting and cutting. No one will want to secure reservations with them because of the (big) chance that the flight will be cancelled, the route will be dropped, or the airline will just fold.

In any case, I heard FlyI is an absolutely great airline to fly on and I hope the employees can secure jobs. B6 is hiring and I'm sure others are too.

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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:42 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 8):
So - what will Indy have left after January 3 to continue operations?

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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:40 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 8):
I'm confused. Again.

We know that there will be an auction - or the results of one - on January 3. We know that United has bid for some or all of Indy and we know that Mesa has bid for some or all of Indy:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine...s/1310AP_United_Airlines_FLYi.html

So - what will Indy have left after January 3 to continue operations?

cheers

mariner

I'll try to give a little insight, as best I can. Keep in mind I'm not a lawyer.
The auction is not a traditional auction, in that the highest bidder wins. This auction will be overseen by judges, who will determine the outcome - based on the best senario for FLYi. For example, lets say United bids $150 million for the sole purpose of disposing of a competitor, and to get out of that $500 million claim they owe FLYi. Lets also say another outside investor bids $120 million, but intends to keep the company going, perhaps by replacing CRJ200s with CRJ900s. The judges would theoretically award the winning bid to the outside investor, even though it may be less than what United (or Mesa) offered, because this senario is more desireable for FLYi in the long run.

This is from the link you provided:

In court papers, FLYi has said it intends to auction its assets on Jan. 3 unless it can secure an investment that will allow it to continue operations or find a single buyer for all its assets

So, has FLYi found an investor to allow continued operation? According to FLYi, there are interested parties:

http://www.flyi.com/company/pressarchive/2005/dec/120505.aspx

This perhaps is how operations can may continue past Jan 3. Actually Jan 5 is the latest date I've heard when we'll finally hear something.
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:03 pm

Ouch, it really looks like DH is going belly up. Are they just going to sell themselves, or should they fight and try to stay going? I flew their SEA-IAD route, and I was very impressed with their service and attitude. Is it possible for them to try and sell their CRJs and decrease their price per seat, or is this route the only way?
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:14 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 11):
based on the best senario for FLYi.

Sorry, not quite.

The bk judge must take the opinions of the FlyI creditors into account. If the creditors agree to the offer chosen by FlyI, then everything is hunky-dory.

If the creditors do not agree, then there could be a problem.

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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:24 pm

Silver lining to the demise of Indy:

ATC delays at IAD are at a record low.
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:38 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 13):
Quoting PITrules (Reply 11):
based on the best senario for FLYi.

Sorry, not quite.

The bk judge must take the opinions of the FlyI creditors into account. If the creditors agree to the offer chosen by FlyI, then everything is hunky-dory.

If the creditors do not agree, then there could be a problem.

cheers

mariner

Don't be sorry. You asked for an example of how FLYi may find a way to continue, and I gave you one. You really like to find the tinniest verbage to argue over, don't you? OK fine, if it wasn't too late to edit, I would change my reply to "based on the best senario for FLYi and their creditors". As the press release I gave a link to stated, the company is worth more as a going concern. If this is true wouldn't this be the best option for the creditors?
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:50 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 15):
You really like to find the tinniest verbage to argue over, don't you? OK fine,

No. It was clear you knew what you were talking about, but I thought maybe you had missed that bit out.

Which is why i said "sorry" before adding it.

Or does "sorry" not mean "sorry" anymore?

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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:55 pm

I don't know Mariner, it's getting late here on the east coast. Thanks for the correction though.
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:57 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 17):
Thanks for the correction though.

I could have phrased it differently. Sorry?

cheers

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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:47 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 11):
lets say United bids $150 million for the sole purpose of disposing of a competitor,

I just dont get it. How can a airline thats in bankruptcy bid to buy a airline thats in bankruptcy? Thats America for ya.....
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:24 pm

Quoting AEroc (Reply 19):
I just dont get it. How can a airline thats in bankruptcy bid to buy a airline thats in bankruptcy? Thats America for ya.....

UA is on its way out of bankruptcy. In fact, based on the latest press release, it has approx. $3 billion in cash on hand, which is more than enough to bid on DH assets, though anything it does must be approved by the court.
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:23 am

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 4):
Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
They're done......

I guess DL is done too, they are giving up 2/3 of their
gates in MCO....down to 8 from 24

Definitely not the same. DL is giving up, what 1% of their system wide gates? Maybe less? DH is losing 1/3rd of their system wide gates, maybe more?

Quoting Hoya (Reply 20):
t has approx. $3 billion in cash on hand, which is more than enough to bid on DH assets,

That coffee pot is as good as UA's!  duck 

Quoting C680 (Reply 14):
Silver lining to the demise of Indy:
ATC delays at IAD are at a record low.

Is the new runway still going forward? This only buys IAD a year or two of delay relief (ok, maybe three years).

I know, never say never... but I just can't come up with a scenario that would save DH that wouldn't have my most financially savvy friends laughing.

I wish the employees well; on these forums I never heard anything but praise for their service.

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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:32 am

Our flights continue to fill up and our bookings go DEEP into 2006. Sorry to say, folks, but I-Air will be around in the near and distant future. Yes, we will make cuts, and yes some people will lose jobs...like every other airline in existance.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:18 pm

Long Live WestAir! Flyi will do well, wish them luck
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:28 pm

Our flights continue to fill up and our bookings go DEEP into 2006

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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:42 pm

Quoting Airsuply55 (Reply 22):
Our flights continue to fill up and our bookings go DEEP into 2006. Sorry to say, folks, but I-Air will be around in the near and distant future. Yes, we will make cuts, and yes some people will lose jobs...like every other airline in existence.

DH has nothing left to cut...

Anyway I wish the employees the best of luck. I flew on your airline a few times and the service was great. Its a shame your management was awful.
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:55 pm

Despite working for a company that competed directly in many cases with FLYi, I wished they had had more success. Fact is that once they parted ways with United their fate was essencially sealed. Their cost structure simply could not compete with many, if not all of the other existing regional carries. That being said I would bet that many more Mesa tails will be seen on the ramp at IAD this next year.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:24 am

Im still hoping that they find some way to stay afloat in some capacity. Ive been through enough downsizing and bankruptcies in my time. No one wins. I never did understand the venom spewed by some members of this board toward DH. Here in PIT they have been a great addition. Yes, they were too dependent on the RJ's but that is all that they had to work with at the time. Yes they made mistakes but who hasnt? Again I wish them the best and hope that they can pull something out.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting Airsuply55 (Reply 22):
Our flights continue to fill up and our bookings go DEEP into 2006. Sorry to say, folks, but I-Air will be around in the near and distant future. Yes, we will make cuts, and yes some people will lose jobs...like Every other airline in existence.

That is the biggest pipe dream these boards have seen all year!

Sorry to say FlyI's business model failed big time. I'm not saying FlyI isn't a fine airline; in fact I love their product. They probably are one of the best airlines out there but the CRJs, and flying to destinations 10000 times a day just drained the bank account. It is astonishing to think FlyI blew threw 500 million dollars in just one year. I think the only way they will survive is if an investor with deep pockets and a solid plan comes along, if that White Knight is out there now is the time for him to ride in.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:55 am

I have the fork, who want's to stick it in Indy. These peeps are done.
 
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:30 am

Quoting Flaps (Reply 27):
Im still hoping that they find some way to stay afloat in some capacity. I've been through enough downsizing and bankruptcies in my time. No one wins. I never did understand the venom spewed by some members of this board toward DH. Here in PIT they have been a great addition. Yes, they were too dependent on the RJ's but that is all that they had to work with at the time. Yes they made mistakes but who hasn't? Again I wish them the best and hope that they can pull something out.

100% agreed
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Yesterday on WPXI channel 11 (Pittsburgh) they reported that they will cease operations on Jan. fourth if they don't receive a substantial investment, they also said passengers shouldn't worry because they will have other flight options by then????  Confused
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RE: Independence Air Is Giving Up 1/2 Of A Gates

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:34 am

Quoting Airsuply55 (Reply 22):
Our flights continue to fill up and our bookings go DEEP into 2006. Sorry to say, folks, but I-Air will be around in the near and distant future. Yes, we will make cuts, and yes some people will lose jobs...like every other airline in existance.

Wow.. That's a whopper. Before you can even think about breathing you'll have to get out from under RJ leases and no one needs any 50 seaters. Nothing like having debt that a bank won't even touch with a ten foot pole for lack of places to position the asset.

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