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Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:00 am

Air Deccan inks deal for purchase of 30 more A320s

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AIR Deccan has signed a deal with Airbus Industrie for purchase of 30 more A320s, delivery for which will begin from 2008.

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With this deal, the airline has signed up for a total of 62 Airbus A320s.

The agreement was signed early this week.

The delivery for the existing order of Airbus A320s begins from 2007 and the next 30 from 2008. Of these, two A320s have already been sold and leased back to the airline.

Industry sources said that with the signing for the additional aircraft, Air Deccan has been able to renegotiate a better price for even the existing order of 32 aircraft. ...
 
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:14 am

I'm sure they'll have 100 before IndiGo does. I hope quite a few go the Deccan Lanka way.
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:12 am

Thats great, Airbus are addng lots of new orders before 05' comes to a close.
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:44 am

Who needs AI? Airbus dominates India with especially all those narrowbody orders from Air Deccan, IndiGo and Kingfisher.
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:50 am

Air Deccan is currently third largest domestic carrier in India(ahead of Sahara). We should expect it to be ahead of Indian Airlines before 2010.
 
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:55 am

That's a lot of BabyBusses! At least somebody is serious about bringing new aircraft to India, eh?
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):
Air Deccan is currently third largest domestic carrier in India(ahead of Sahara). We should expect it to be ahead of Indian Airlines before 2010.

Air Deccan to acquire 30 more A 320s at USD 1.5 bn

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After the acquisition of the new aircraft the fleet size will go up to 110 to 115 planes by 2012-13.

In the next year, the airline will receive eight A 320s, followed by ten every year thereafter, taking the fleet size to 32 by the end of 2006.


Indian Airlines will have around 43 new airbuses + 20 old/leased planes unless they order some more before then. So Deccan will definitely leap ahead of IC easily.
 
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
Who needs AI? Airbus dominates India with especially all those narrowbody orders from Air Deccan, IndiGo and Kingfisher.

Right, and talk about overcapacity. Any bets as to the first of these airlines going under?
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:17 am

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 7):
Right, and talk about overcapacity. Any bets as to the first of these airlines going under?

As an average Joe-Passenger, I could not care less. So long as I get cheap seats on flights, I don't care if it's a DN or 0S or IT or IC or S2 or 9W or any of the other airlines in India. And the spate of new aircraft/airlines certainly shows that there's room for more a/c in India, not less. That there's no place to park at night is another matter - anyway airlines have to finalize their slots before the a/c arrive.
And this is great news for DN & Airbus - esp after some crappy news articles talking about DN looking at 738s for the next order. Is this order a done deal, or is it still a way off before appearing on Airbus's order list?
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 6):
Indian Airlines will have around 43 new airbuses + 20 old/leased planes unless they order some more before then. So Deccan will definitely leap ahead of IC easily.

I was thinking in terms of total revenue. Air Deccan already has the largest network in India. However, they fly many ATRs and therefore will need a substantially larger number of total aircrafts to leap ahead of IC.
 
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 9):
I was thinking in terms of total revenue. Air Deccan already has the largest network in India. However, they fly many ATRs and therefore will need a substantially larger number of total aircrafts to leap ahead of IC.

You are right about DN needing more aircrafts. However, with the current deal with airbus, DN will have 62 airbus + around 30 ATRs by 2012. But given that DN has single class only, and their fares are lower than IC, their revenue per seat km might not be as much as IC. On the other hand, DN with its low cost structure might have lower expenditure than IC. Anyway, interesting times ahead for Indian aviation!!
 
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:47 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):
As an average Joe-Passenger, I could not care less.

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I wonder how India aviation scene will look like say in 2010! Who is there & who is not?  innocent 
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 11):
I wonder how India aviation scene will look like say in 2010! Who is there & who is not?

Perhaps there will be some consolidation over the years, reducing the number of airlines. Really intriguing yes. Also, who will be the players on the international market by then, and how big will AI be then?
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:41 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 12):
Perhaps there will be some consolidation over the years, reducing the number of airlines. Really intriguing yes.

Indeed. Perhaps we will see something similar to the AmericaWest/USAirways merger. Do you think the Indian market will end up achieving the level of saturation seen in the U.S.?
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:31 am

Quoting DarthRandall (Reply 13):
Do you think the Indian market will end up achieving the level of saturation seen in the U.S.?

I think it depends on lot of factors, how long can india sustain the GDP growth(avg 5-6% last decade) that in turn helps people to move up the ladder on income levels which in turn feed the pax for aviation. As of today there are about 40-45 million traveling by air I,e not even 10% Indian population(1 billion) assuming growth can be sustained you are looking at another 80-100 million that can potentially fly! As far as infrastructure is concerned it is kinda saturated.
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:53 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 11):
I wonder how India aviation scene will look like say in 2010! Who is there & who is not? innocent

I don't foresee any major shake-out in next 4yrs. Perhaps merger of S2 with someone..
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:16 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):
We should expect it to be ahead of Indian Airlines before 2010.

Unlikely as IC will be getting their Birds soon even though 70% are replacements.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):
That there's no place to park at night is another matter - anyway airlines have to finalize their slots before the a/c arrive.

A lot of Construction work on at BOM on Airside.That problem would be solved by construction of those proposed 18 bays if they start on it.
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Quoting BlrBird (Reply 11):
I wonder how India aviation scene will look like say in 2010! Who is there & who is not?

The Bubble will def burst in two years & some operators will go.But then they would be replacements soon.

Quoting Aseem (Reply 15):
Perhaps merger of S2 with someone..

Perhaps S2 getting sold.

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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:22 am

The order is now official. The deal was signed on Dec. 22nd and announced by Airbus on Jan. 3rd.
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...items/01_03_06_A320_AirDeccan.html
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting DarthRandall (Reply 5):
That's a lot of BabyBusses! At least somebody is serious about bringing new aircraft to India, eh?

Uhh..if you mean bringing the 320 family to India, IC has been using the type since 1991 or so.....
 
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:42 am

Does India have Ch11 like USA got?

Curius.

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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 19):
Does India have Ch11 like USA got?

Curius.

Micke//SE

I think the BIFR (Board for Industrial and Financial Reconstruction) is somewhat similar to Chapter 11....but I'm not too sure on this one....
 
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 14):
As of today there are about 40-45 million traveling by air I,e not even 10% Indian population(1 billion)

indeed, not even 5 percent even. If that can get up to 20-25 percent in the next ten years, there will be room for all carriers, and then some, just look at how many a/c there are in the US alone.
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:33 pm

The amount of Pax travelling by Rail in a day is almost equal to the Amount of Pax travelling by Air in a Year in INDIA.  Smile
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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 18):
IC has been using the type since 1991 or so.....

Think he meant new frames rather than a new type for India...

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 19):
Does India have Ch11 like USA got?

There is a type of bankruptcy protection but it's nowhere near as militant as C11 in the US so carriers will not be able to hide behind it for ages like they do in the US.

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RE: Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 23):
There is a type of bankruptcy protection but it's nowhere near as militant as C11 in the US so carriers will not be able to hide behind it for ages like they do in the US.

It wasn't there in the Early 90s.What is this.
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