ContinentalEWR
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Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 4:51 am

Is it true that Delta is ordering the Airbus A320/A321 and the A340?
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 4:53 am

It is most definetly NOT true!  

Jeremiah Teahan
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 5:23 am

Where did you hear that ? It is new to me but sounds interesting.
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 6:39 am

I strongly doubt it, after their experience with the A310 I think they're strongly comitted to buying Boeing planes only in the future. Plus, weren't they one of the airlines that had the Boeing-Only contract that the EU fought over when Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas?
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Where Do You All Get Your Info!?

Fri May 26, 2000 6:41 am

No, Delta is all Boeing and looks like it will stay that way...it has big orders/options on the 737-800, 767-300/400, and 777s...etc

 
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RE: Where Do You All Get Your Info!?

Fri May 26, 2000 6:53 am

I'll say it too. Where do you come up with this?
 
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RE: Where Do You All Get Your Info!?

Fri May 26, 2000 6:54 am

Delta will be all Boeing in the next few years. Smart move.  
 
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RE: Too Bad It Ain't True!

Fri May 26, 2000 7:03 am

I must admit that I've been seriously spoiled. Almost every time I've flown between HSV and ATL it's been on MD-88s. Only twice did I have to fly on 737s, once a 737-200 that creaked and moaned as it turned corners on the tarmac, scaring me out of my mind, and once on rainy Sunday night, a 737-300 (although my ticket said it was supposed to be an MD-88). I wish Delta had bought into the A320 family. It sure would be a lot more comfortable than those damn 17 in. wide cramped 737 seats. I was willing, back when Delta flew 727-200s out of HSV, to endure that, but I refuse to fly on their 737-800s.
 
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RE: Too Bad It Ain't True!

Fri May 26, 2000 7:09 am

Sadly it isn't true.
Delta keeps buying Boeing.
This means that even after their fleet renewal they will fly with planes from yesterday rather then from today...
BTW: Delta must about have the oldest fleet in the Western World, certainly compared to the averadge age of European carriers. If I'm correct the backbone of the fleet still is the B727 and B737(-200); 2 types of planes that aren't used in Europe anymore (except by cargo or cheap charter operators).
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 7:31 am

What happend to the Delta A310s? Did they cause a prolbem or something?? What's the story?
 
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Delta A320? Why Would They Buy The 737-800 Then?

Fri May 26, 2000 7:35 am

I think ContinentalEWR had nothing to write about. Why would Delta buy the A320 when they have OVER 100!!!! 737-800s on order? and why would they buy the A340 if they have the MD-11 and 777???????

ContinentalEWR, think before you write next time!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: Too Bad It Ain't True!

Fri May 26, 2000 7:44 am

So Delta jumps in front of a ******* Truck. They need to learn not to be so snobby And maybe Airbus would serve them. They get all huffy puffy just because Airtran wants to come in ATL. What is Airtran gonna do to them. Geez., Airtran foes mot eun glights iut if STL ro utaly. Selta Meeds ro kearn rhat s kittle dervice drom s fifferent sirline eill mot jurt rhem.

dorry gor rhe nixed ketters O sm kust naking rhis s vhallenge
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 8:04 am

There is an article in KFWS-newspaper that says indeed that Delta is in talks with Airbus about an upcoming order for at least 80 A320 family AC´s. But no word about Airbus widebodies so far.
 
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Continental717

Fri May 26, 2000 8:19 am

Are you smoking something while you're typing, I surely does not understand one word after the second sentence!

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RE: Continental717

Fri May 26, 2000 10:28 am

This is what Continental717 had on his mind after the second sentance:

What is AirTran gonna do to them? Geez, AirTran does not run flights out of ATL to Italy! Delta needs to learn that a little service from a different airline will not hurt them.

That took me less than a minute to figure out what he was trying to say! I thought AirTran already serves ATL, though.
 
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RE: Too Bad It Ain't True!

Fri May 26, 2000 10:48 am

You are sadly misinformed. Delta will actually have one of the youngest fleets, once all of their Boeing orders are delivered. The 727's, MD-90's, L1011's are already scheduled to be replaced in the next few years.

 
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Why?

Fri May 26, 2000 12:24 pm

Why would an airline with tons of 737NGs and 777s on order suddenly switch to A320s and A340s? Aren't airlines concerned with fleet comonnality these days?
Sabena Pilot: Delta has one of the younger fleets by US standards. They are retireing their 727s and L1011s.
If you want to pick on someone about having an old fleet, pick on Northwest!
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 1:59 pm

Deltaman, DL took a bunch of 310's off of Pan Am when they raped them back in '91.They weren't in the fleet long.Less than 18 months, if that.
Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 3:07 pm

"Delta raped Pan Am"? I was young 9 years ago and not really a big aviation buff so I missed that one, but I'm curious after Pan Am's death, what did Delta do that could be qualified as being refered to as a "rape?"
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 4:05 pm

I don't think PanAm was raped---you can't rape a willing but dying soul! It was pretty much the end of PanAM by then. In my opinion, PanAm was done after selling their PAC routes to UA. A move that Donald Carty very much regretted because he didn't bid for it (Stephen Wolf outfoxed his mentor).
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 5:07 pm

PA's A310's were not in a good shape when DL got them. It would be strange if DL blamed Airbus for PA's bad maintenance of its aircraft.
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Fri May 26, 2000 5:33 pm

Delta must have liked the ex Pan Am A310s in the first place, they had a repeat order for some more A310s some time after they bought part of Pan Am in 1991. So they actually have ordered some Airbuses of their own. But soon afterwards, they decided to ditch them for more 767s. Does anyone know the story behind it?
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 12:37 am

Pan Am was raped trust me.I was there.I still have the letter that put me and 24,000 others out of work on Dec 04 1991.
How did Delta rape Pan Am?
In 1991 Pan Am was seriously hurting (We never got back on track after 103) The Gulf War, (CRAF killed us)
Sky High Fuel prices, Public perception was in the crapper.A myriad of ills, to put it mildly.
Anyway, Delta says Okay, we'll invest XX number of millions of dollars in this "Streamlined" version of Pan Am.
In exchange, we will take the following:
1.North Atlantic Routes
2.FRA hub
3.JFK Facilities (Not all, just WorldPort and Cargo Bldg)
4.The Pan Am Shuttle @ LGA
5.The A310's

After all of that was "taken" by Delta, they turn around and say "Well, after careful review, we feel Pan Am is no longer a viable entity, and we are not going to invest any more into it."So, they hold back a key payment to Pan Am, and Pan Am bleeds out.
Yeah, DL hired Pan Am'ers, ask any flight attendant who sat on reserve in ATL for seven or eight years!
Or anyone who uprooted their life to start over in ATL.
This subject will get you a thousand responses
depending on who you ask.



Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 12:39 am

Delta has been and will remain a world class airline. The idea that they are going to purchase any Scairbus equipment is complete rubbish, the management team knows better than that. Boeing has always and will for the future build the greatest aircraft in the world and what better combination can you have than Delta and Boeing. I was a little concerned back in the early 90's when the A310s were introduced to the fleet, but through some smart moves they were history fairly soon. I don't believe that we will ever see another Scairbus plane in the colors of Delta Airlines, and I am glad about that.
My opinion

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ContinentalEWR
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 12:45 am

Delta is far from being a world-class airline. It is a trunk operator at best,
with lousy airplanes, indifferent service, and why the hell would anyone
want to change planes in Atlanta??? Their only convenient hub is Cincy.
Delta flies many old, dirty airplanes and alienated a lot of their customers
in the mid-1990's with it's $2.billion cost cutting program. Have you flown
on the Delta Shuttle lately? Yuck.



 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 12:46 am

Delta did not order additional A310 aircraft after the initial A310-200/300's that came with Pan Am.

Fleet Service,

where were you based? JFK?

I am a former Pan Am'er as well along with my late wife. I worked as an FE and before that in OPS and RTW. She was an F/A. We were based in MIA/WAS/NYC. I also did a TDY in TXL.

Drop me an email if ya want to reminisce.

acvitale@gdi.net

BTW, I agree DL did rape Pan Am. They assumed they would get South America and the Caribbean for free. The humor was that UAL got those assets and DAL lost a billion due to the problems of integration and collapse of the Atlantic market. (Along with gross mismanagement) They flew the Atlantic full schedule with minor cuts then cut all the feed into JFK... Gotta love it!
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 12:53 am

I have flown Delta for the last 16 years and cannot recollect any problems I had with the airline (something I can't say about TWA, Lufthansa and AA). Their aircraft are clean from the inside and their service is much better than most airlines. I agree, their L1011s, B727s and B732s might have a little dust on them, but we all know what these workhorses' fate is going to be here in the future.
The only thing that might put DL short of being the top world class airline is the lack of having any B744s.

Boeing727
 
euroschu
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 1:07 am

Nice commentary on Delta. That's probably why they have the most extensive network in Europe, are considerably larger than CO and will probably own them in the near future.

Don't get me wrong --- I think CO is a GREAT airline and they could teach all of the Big Three a thing or two about service. But your comments were too emotional and off-base. Save that kind of garbage for AOL.
 
euroschu
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 1:14 am

If I am not mistaken, didn't Delta and Continental sign an exclusivity agreement with Boeing last year in order to receive very favorable pricing? I swear it was extensively reported in the Wall Street Journal --- caused an uproar with the EU. Does anyone on this board from Delta have the facts? Thanks!
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 1:21 am

Airlines are ruthless.... if you do not/have not worked for one, you would not know. if you are an enthusiast you have this tainted image thinking only about the planes and routes and prestige (which comes from the former 2). As a former Delta, AMR, and Bus. Ex employee, I can tell you that the people are the ones hurt in any merger, we make the planes fly, we make the airport run the way it does. With out the many, the sum of the airline will not work, management likes to blame the many, and not take responsibility for themselves. But as far as PanAm / Delta goes ... i feel it was in the best interest of both parties to shut down PanAm... now now ... there were many families "raped" ... but remember ... Delta is a business (ie: needs monry to stay alive), PanAm was not making any money and was heading out of sight.... think of it this way ... Delta was the Coast Guard pulling out the survivors before the ship finished sinking. So if you think PanAm was raped ... think about how it would have been to be unemployed in a failure, not having a second chance? Thank Delta...
Later
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 1:27 am

yes they signed exclusive buying from Boeing.
CO, DL, and AA
Peace
 
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RE: Delta Orders A320's

Sat May 27, 2000 5:21 am

Hey Velocity, as a rule the Coast Guard doesn't strip valuables off the unfortunates they fish out of the drink.
Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
 
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RE:coninentalEWR

Sat May 27, 2000 5:40 am

I don't see how you could call DL a trunk operator at best,they have very good coverage ,much better than CO.I don't think trunk operators fly to svo,mxp,fco,nrt,lgw,snn,ist-just to name a very few of the places DL flies.And what do you mean lousy airplanes?sure maybe the 727's and L-1011's are old but are also being retired quickly and replaced with 737NG's and 767-300/400's.DL also flies MD-11's and has the largest fleet of 767's and 757's in the world,wich I would hardly call lousy a/c.And I would much rather change planes in ATL than EWR any day,EWR sucks just like CO!

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