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Delta At HKG ('91-'95)

Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:58 am

When DL flew LAX-HKG during the '91-'95 period on the MD-11 did they always stop at ANC?
 
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RE: Delta At HKG ('91-'95)

Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:05 am

It was nonstop. Daily basis.
 
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RE: Delta At HKG ('91-'95)

Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:22 am

If I remember correctly DL also operated this service with L-1011-500s for sometime with a planned stop in ANC.

As far as MD-11s, the carrier had several that featured additional supplemental fuel tanks in the bellies. I also tend to remember at least the LAX-HKG portion did often operate with a fuel stop in ANC. I don't however remember if this was scheduled or done on an adhoc basis.
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RE: Delta At HKG ('91-'95)

Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:27 am

For a long while DL LAX-HKG was routed LAX-ANC-HKG on the L15 and that was the intended schedule.

The M11s were scheduled daily nonstop, but did indeed stop at ANC for fuel from time to time. After the MD installed PIP and the ER enhancement to 2 of the frames, those stops became less a problem.

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RE: Delta At HKG ('91-'95)

Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:35 am

Delta launched LAX-HKG with L1011-500 aircraft (MD11s were just coming on-line during this period and DL used two leased MD11s for the LAX-NRT route, DL's own MD11s would not be delivered for another year or two). The L1011-500s were scheduled to fly LAX-ANC-HKG and return.......in other words, the ANC stopover was part of the plan. (no way could the L15 fly the route nonstop with payload) DL was moderately successful with the route at its launch, although CX by this time was flying LAX-HKG nonstop with its then new 744s.

As DL took delivery of its MD11s, the MD11 took over the LAX-HKG service with the intention of making it a nonstop service. The problem was the MD11, which upon introuduction to service, missed quite a few of its performance targets.....the MD11 struggled with the LAX-HKG flight and many times the flight ended up stopping in ANC for fuel. McDonnell Douglas tweaked the performance of the MD11 several times in the initial years of MD11 operations, and eventually, the MD11 met its original performance goals (well, almost all of them, and just barely). Remember, AA had problems flying the DFW-NRT routes with the MD11 when the type was first introduced.

After a reasonable, if not great, start on the LAX-HKG route, DL was having less and less success on the route as years passed. The unscheduled visits to ANC with the MD11 did not help (the unscheduled stop seemed to bother pax more than the planned stop with the Tristars - curious).......and CX very much established itself on the route and became a known player in the US-Asia market. CX was getting the premium pax, DL was struggling to fill its planes with discount pax, and DL eventually dropped service to HKG.
 
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RE: Delta At HKG ('91-'95)

Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:46 am

Dutchjet's post is very accurate but I seem to recall that when the MD's needed a fuel stop, it was in TPE???

I used to work those flt's (line mtc) and even when a couple of the MD's were fitted out with the extra fuel cells it was a daily battle to fuel them. "Normal" ops usually called for full tanks and as the wings warmed up we had many problems with fuel expanding and overflowing into the normally dry surge tanks. A special sumping rig was built to allow the surge tanks to drain and if anyone looked out the window, they must have been wondering why there were 2 pogo looking things draining fuel from the wing tips into a bowser right up till push back time.

Those were the "good ole days" before 7.5 and ch11, when customer service was better and the employee's actually liked going to work!

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RE: Delta At HKG ('91-'95)

Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
After a reasonable, if not great, start on the LAX-HKG route, DL was having less and less success on the route as years passed. The unscheduled visits to ANC with the MD11 did not help (the unscheduled stop seemed to bother pax more than the planned stop with the Tristars - curious).......and CX very much established itself on the route and became a known player in the US-Asia market. CX was getting the premium pax, DL was struggling to fill its planes with discount pax, and DL eventually dropped service to HKG.

Funny how the unscheduled tech stops @ ANC bothered DL pax. CX quite regularly has tech stops @ ICN for LAX - HKG during the winter too.
 
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RE: Delta At HKG ('91-'95)

Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:49 pm

N804DE & N806DE......... 2 planes that bugged KAI TAK to death!!
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RE: Delta At HKG ('91-'95)

Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:39 am

would love to see DL 777 at HKG. However, this is probably the last memory we will have of DL metal at HKG. It looks absolutely stunning at HKG


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