ACdreamliner
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Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:52 am

hi all, i was just wondering what the plan for baby is? they can't use OG 737's for ever. since its the only part of BMI making money, i wondered what big ideas were lined up?
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BMIbaby733
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:18 am

They will run the 737's until they literally fall to pieces!!! (currently held together by duck tape so won't be long  Smile )
I really wish they would update the fleet!!
 
ZKOJH
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:57 am

they might have some a321's from the main fleet as bd don't want them
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planesarecool
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:05 pm

Well they're getting (or have just got) two more B737-300's from easyJet, so i don't think they're going to get anything else in the near future
 
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:13 pm

Thats sort of says it all when a LCC gets cast-offs from a larger competitor.
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antonovman
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:15 pm

knowing BMI they will probably buy 2 of every type of aircraft available
 
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:19 pm

The 733s and 735s BMIbaby operate are very tatty. The cabins are a real mess, scruffy, worn seats and carpeting etc.

While I dont question their airworthiness, the impression many passengers gain of BMIbaby may be dubious, considering the dirty exteriors and interiors of those tired 737s.
 
Cosmic
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:48 pm

Quoting ACdreamliner (Thread starter):
they can't use OG 737's for ever.

They can use them for the near future though, and it looks like that is going to be the way it will be. Delivery of three Boeing 737s from easyJet shows this.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 3):
Well they're getting (or have just got) two more B737-300's from easyJet, so i don't think they're going to get anything else in the near future

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and G-TOYG, which is G-IGOJ.

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 4):
Thats sort of says it all when a LCC gets cast-offs from a larger competitor.

No it doesn't. It doesn't mean anything. Thomsonfly got Aircraft from bmibaby for example. If the Aircraft did there work for easyJet that should be the case for bmibaby.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
The 733s and 735s BMIbaby operate are very tatty. The cabins are a real mess, scruffy, worn seats and carpeting etc.

While I dont question their airworthiness, the impression many passengers gain of BMIbaby may be dubious, considering the dirty exteriors and interiors of those tired 737s.

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jmc757
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:02 am

If the aircraft are doing the job they should then what is the problem? The aircraft work hard for bmiBaby, with pretty good reliability. I would guess were quite cheap to acquire as well.

I'm flying bmiBaby at the end of January, so I will be able to see for myself. Its costing (£/mile) less than the bus into town, and I'm sure it will be a damsite better!!
 
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:15 am

Quoting BMIbaby733 (Reply 1):
They will run the 737's until they literally fall to pieces!!! (currently held together by duck tape so won't be long

I'm sure that the CAA would have taken action if they were deemed unsafe, which they are not.

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 2):
they might have some a321's from the main fleet as bd don't want them

Think these are being returned to the lessors, no chance of WW getting them.

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 4):
Thats sort of says it all when a LCC gets cast-offs from a larger competitor

Makes no difference whether their 733's were from EZY or, for example, LH. What matters is how well they have been maintained. Given EZY's excellent punctuality and safety record, this would indicate the aircraft have been kept in good condition. On the matter of aircraft age, also remember EZY took delivery of some of the very final 733's built (around 1998 if I remember correctly), so still very young.

Quoting Antonovman (Reply 5):
knowing BMI they will probably buy 2 of every type of aircraft available

WW only operate B737s. Whether it's a -300 or -500 makes little difference apart from the number of seats.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
The 733s and 735s BMIbaby operate are very tatty. The cabins are a real mess, scruffy, worn seats and carpeting etc

From my own experiences with WW, I would actually agree on this point to a degree. A refurb certainly wouldn't go amiss on the the WW aircraft I have flown on, but no need to replace the B737's just yet, a quick spruce up on the inside would do the trick at a fraction of the price of purchasing new aircraft.

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 8):
I'm flying bmiBaby at the end of January, so I will be able to see for myself. Its costing (£/mile) less than the bus into town, and I'm sure it will be a damsite better!!

I'm sure you'll find them totally fine, as I have. In respect of fares, some people have mentioned they are expensive, however my WW experiences to date have been very good indeed, a day return on MAN-ORK-MAN in August this year, for under £35 incl taxes (with a free upgrade to the emergency exit extra-legroom seats once onboard!  Wink ) and MAN-GVA-MAN for a skiing holiday a couple of winters ago for just £30 incl taxes! All flights arrived early and were excellent value for money.
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:44 am

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 7):
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
The 733s and 735s BMIbaby operate are very tatty. The cabins are a real mess, scruffy, worn seats and carpeting etc.

While I dont question their airworthiness, the impression many passengers gain of BMIbaby may be dubious, considering the dirty exteriors and interiors of those tired 737s.

Get the audience you want over at www.carsurvey.org

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Orion - this is really becoming tiresome. We know your views.  sarcastic 

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ACdreamliner
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
The 733s and 735s BMIbaby operate are very tatty. The cabins are a real mess, scruffy, worn seats and carpeting etc.

While I dont question their airworthiness, the impression many passengers gain of BMIbaby may be dubious, considering the dirty exteriors and interiors of those tired 737s.

i've never read a post i disagreed with as much. I love flying baby, and domestically i would NEVER fly anything else domestically in the UK than Baby or BD mainline.

crew are very friendly, seats are comfortable and don't have bum inprints from overuse, like the ones i've had on all 3 of my O2 flights, the flights have always been on time, or more typically early in my experiance. Only just last thursday we were 40 minutes early into EDI from EMA, on WW5193. Left the gate 20mins early and flight time was twenty minutes shorter than billed.

I spoke to the crew on the way out (i was last off being in 24F) and they were saying the only problem is that it was an hour till they had to head home!

They are clean to look at, and i just love the branding! In my opinion, its only a matter of time unfortunatly before it becomes another 'Tango' and gets merged into mainline. Then hopefully the A319's will take the routes...

as it is, BD mainline is becoming baby with bigger prices, so a half way house willbe reached with the BD branding and star connections
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:38 pm

ACdreamliner,
I'm afraid I have to disagree. I fly with WW quite often, and all I can really say is they are ok. Aesthetically, they have improved recently with the blue and pink headrest covers brightening up the drab cabin (ugly early 90s seat fabric!) and the fact that they finally have a real uniform and not the dreadful white t-shirt, red puffa coat combo. But tatty is the word that generally comes to mind, one exception being an aircraft I went on a few weeks ago which was actually very nicely finished for some reason (I got the impression it was ex-BA but I may be wrong). The price to pay for this nice aircraft was a 3 hour delay, and compared with easyJet they do seem to be delayed a lot more often, and certainly more expensive.

All in all, a fine, fairly competent transport company, but nothing special - sadly just like their mother airline as become.
 
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
The 733s and 735s BMIbaby operate are very tatty. The cabins are a real mess, scruffy, worn seats and carpeting etc

Is this just another case of you knocking an LCC as usual?

Have you flown in several of their 737's?
I wouldn't base my opinion of an airline on one aircraft.

Providing the fares are cheap and the flights are punctual people don't expect anything more than that these days.
 
Orion737
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:37 am

Flown several times on the 735 (Various fleet members) on the EMA-EDI run and EMA-GLA run.

The flights were punctual and reasonably cheap (£70 return avg) the service was typical LCC (satisfactory for a short flight) the aircraft was dirty on the outside and in every case, the cabin was showing signs of age and lack of servicing/refurbishment. Worn seats, Wripped in some cases, stained carpets, dirty overhead bins and wall pannels etc.

I suppose with the short turn around times and intensive flying schedule the tidiness and cleanliness of the cabin is considered unimportant. Maybe so to some, but it does create a negative impression.
 
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:43 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 14):
I suppose with the short turn around times and intensive flying schedule the tidiness and cleanliness of the cabin is considered unimportant

What do you think the cleaners and cabin crew work their butts off for during turnaround? And why on most low cost flights do the cabin crew come around and collect all the rubbish before landing? They make every effort to keep the aircraft clean, and it isn't their fault if a passenger spills their orange juice and stains the carpet, or a baby sh*t's its nappy and goes all over the seat. They can't afford to take an aircraft out of service and refurbish it every time this happens.
 
Orion737
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:33 am

I never knew no-frills airlines employed cleaners during turnarounds. I thought they did away with cleaners and instead engaged the cabin staff in collecting rubbish etc during the turnaround. I think this is the problem, the cabin staff are unwilling/unable in the short time they have to vacum the aircraft, as cleaners would do during turnaround. This results in a scruffy cabin environment, particularly on late evening flights when the aircraft has done several trips and without a hoovering.
 
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:53 am

Quoting ACdreamliner (Reply 11):
its only a matter of time unfortunatly before it becomes another 'Tango' and gets merged into mainline

My thoughts exactly - its crazy to have two costs of running a business.
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planesarecool
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RE: Bmibaby Fleet Update?

Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:19 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 16):
This results in a scruffy cabin environment, particularly on late evening flights when the aircraft has done several trips and without a hoovering.

Its only one example, but last sunday, i flew a Ryanair B737-200 from Bristol-Dublin on its 10th (!!) flight of the day (After flying Dublin-Girona-Dublin-Bristol-Dublin-East Midlands-Dublin-Leeds/Bradford-Dublin-Bristol), and other than the slight scruffiness of the plane which was taken out of service two or three days later, it wasn't untidy at all.

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