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Babies In First

Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:17 pm

Hey fellow airneters!

My mom just finished a book called "Pearl" by Mary Gordon in which a character flying in first class remarks to herself that she has never seen a passenger with a baby in first class.

Now, when she told me this, I thought to myself that after flying over 400 scheduled flights over 530,000 miles, I too have never seen a baby in first. I fly mostly economy, but first usually boards first, so I should have seen something. Question: Do airlines have policies of not allowing very young children in first class? Yeah, lame question, but as I stated before, I've never seen it. Any thoughts.

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RE: Babies In First

Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:27 pm

My daughters first plane ride - she was 2 weeks old - was on a UA 737 from FAI to ANC.

As a rule, I despise babies in F anticipating the worst . . . (as a rule I despise kids in general) . . . but if they are a paying passenger - there isn't much you can do. Slip the kid a 'mickey' and hope it passes out for the duration.
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RE: Babies In First

Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:37 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
My daughters first plane ride - she was 2 weeks old - was on a UA 737 from FAI to ANC.

As a rule, I despise babies in F anticipating the worst . . . (as a rule I despise kids in general)

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RE: Babies In First

Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
As a rule, I despise babies in F anticipating the worst . . . (as a rule I despise kids in general) . . . but if they are a paying passenger - there isn't much you can do. Slip the kid a 'mickey' and hope it passes out for the duration

Well that's just it, I may go to Asia for an Int'l adoption, and I will pay for the premium cabin for my wife and myself + new child. Even as an A.Nutter, I'd do my best to keep it calm and request the last or first row of F/J for seating.
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RE: Babies In First

Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
As a rule, I despise babies in F anticipating the worst . . . (as a rule I despise kids in general) . . . but if they are a paying passenger - there isn't much you can do. Slip the kid a 'mickey' and hope it passes out for the duration.

Well said ANCFlyer. Expect the worst and be surprised by the results. I've had good and bad experiences. If they are paying yoou can't stop them but it is the stewardesses responsibility to say something if the kids are being unruly and bothering other passengers, Especially on long haul overnight flights when trying to get some sleep.

My flight home from Boston last week had a family with three kids under 5. One girl wouldn't shut up and her hippie mom (she really stunk!) kept asking her politely to sit down and be quiet to which AnnaMarieLisa (Seriously the little brat's name) kept saying no and telling her mom to shutup. The middle kid was bearable and the youngest kid kept running up and down the aisle in First. The stewardess finally had to say something to the parents about holding on to their child since it was becoming a hazard when trying to serve the meal. (That kid was really ugly also. He was maybe two and had a mullet!) What cracked me up was the parents were upset they couldn't just turn their little demon spawn loose in the cabin since he needed his freedom to explore. Idiots! (But parenting skills, or lack thereof, are for a different forum.)

On the other hand my flight to Tokyo from Houston had a mother with three kids all under 7 up in BizFirst (she did have their grandmother with them also.) The 4 year old sat next to me and I considered asking to be moved but she turned out to be wonderful and well behaved the whole flight. The baby cried for about a minute while still on the ground and I never heard another peep out of him. I talked with the mom after the flight and she still had to get them transfered to a Thai flight to go onto Bangkok. She also said she did give all the kids some Mickies to calm them down for the flight to which I thanked her. They were great.

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RE: Babies In First

Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:53 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
Well that's just it, I may go to Asia for an Int'l adoption, and I will pay for the premium cabin for my wife and myself + new child. Even as an A.Nutter, I'd do my best to keep it calm and request the last or first row of F/J for seating.

First, Good for you on the adoption. Second, a person who will have respect for others while traveling with a kid...Amazing! There is a Santa Claus!
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:00 am

I recently completed a trip in November with my wife from IAH to LGW on CO in BusinessFirst with my then 7-month old baby. A bassinet was ordered, and attached to the bulkhead in front of seats 8D/E.

The flight was at night, so the baby slept for most of the way. Even when she arose from her sleep, she was the usual angelic baby she always is.  angel   bigthumbsup 

At the end of the flight, the fellow pax commented to us what a great baby she was. Understandably they were thinking to themselves that this may be an excruciating flight, having a potentially noisy baby in the cabin.
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:01 am

I guess the reason simply is that most First Class passengers are travelling on business trips and not personal or holiday trips.....mostly, if I'm not mistaken, their employers or their own business, would be paying for the journey....thus, kids usually would not be around....
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting COIAHLGW (Reply 6):
Even when she arose from her sleep, she was the usual angelic baby she always is.

Every parent thinks their kid is an angel. Luckily yours turned out ok on this flight.   

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:05 am

Quoting LPLAspotter (Thread starter):
Now, when she told me this, I thought to myself that after flying over 400 scheduled flights over 530,000 miles, I too have never seen a baby in first. I fly mostly economy, but first usually boards first, so I should have seen something. Question: Do airlines have policies of not allowing very young children in first class? Yeah, lame question, but as I stated before, I've never seen it. Any thoughts.

Of course, by choice my parents never took me by plane until my younger brother was a couple of years old.

I've seen a few babies in BA First before but thankfully nothing like this rather annoying case of bad parenting and 'baby ship' that was the subject of this particular and controversial thread on Flyertalk. Some seats as with all cabins, are held back for use by those with babies and infants.

I remember on my only Concorde trip in 2002 I was thankful that I was almost guaranteed to be away from young children and babies for one flight. It looked that way in the Concorde Room before the flight but during boarding my heart sunk as I saw a new born with mother come and sit across the aisle from me. Thankfully the little thing didn't make a sound the whole 3hrs.

The closest I can think of such a ruling is that CO Presidents Clubs have a minimum age of 18 for those entering....I think.

In reality if you want to guarantee getting away from babies the only option is to charter your own jet...after all a plane is a form of public transport.

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:38 am

If you get kids acclimated to flying, it isn't a problem. Also, some kids are just better behaved than others. I flew LGW-DFW with my best friend, his wife and their infant (7 mo.) son all in Flagship suites on AA. GREAT flight. When we walked into the cabin the other pax were giving us death looks. The baby cried on takeoff but as soon as we were airborne quieted down and didn't make another peep for the next 9 hours. It was a fabulous flight. None of the pax were disturbed, the FAs were having a great time apparently as they kept coming by wanting to hold the baby even though he was content to sit with his mom and relax. So it CAN go well.
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:42 am

Think of all the grown up 'babies' who get drunk on board, bully the FA's, fight with fellow pax.......I'd rather put up with an innocent crying baby...and for all those of you who value IFE so much while rating airlines, if there's a crying kid in the vicinity, just put on those earplugs and turn up the volume..... smile 
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:48 am

Facts - all babies cry at some point; some babies have wealthy parents who will pay for premium cabin seats.

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 11):
Think of all the grown up 'babies' who get drunk on board, bully the FA's, fight with fellow pax.......I'd rather put up with an innocent crying baby...and for all those of you who value IFE so much while rating airlines, if there's a crying kid in the vicinity, just put on those earplugs and turn up the volume.....

Will earplugs prevent a baby from throwing up on your shoe? How about the mother resting her baby bag and everything else in your lap? Not to mention, we couldn't even get a drink because the bimbo FA (who was too proud to tell everyone about her own 5 kids) spent most of the flight caring for this woman and her infant.

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:54 am



My secret - my DJ headphones. Specifically designed to keep loud noise out. Ignore those BOSE noise cancelling ones - they will shut out the background noise, but the DJ monitors are designed to keep the NOISY stuff out - i.e.: baby crying non-stop whole flight.

I've flown LHR-ORD in Club World and had a screeching 2 year old next to me - never heard a thing once I put my headphones on. They plug into the in-seat IFE system and are unbelievable quality audio. At £99.00 a pair they are not cheap, but well worth it. I'm a DJ in my spare time and seriously would be lost without them.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:05 am

Some babies are fine (I suspect those which have been sedated by a parent) and others are intolerable. I've seen babies scream incessantly for 10 hours. I've been vomitted upon three times by babies in First or Business class. Only one parent offered to pay for dry cleaning.

I've also seen small children run amok through the cabin -- even one who tried climbing on every one of about 40 passengers' laps in the middle of the night. When it came near me, I put up my fists like a boxer and game it an evil stare. That stopped it and spared the fellow seated next to me as well. We were the only two in the cabin the brat didn't molest. I very politely suggested to the father that if he would be flying with the child again that he speak to his physician about safe and gentle sedatives for children. At that point, the father jumped out of his seat, started yelling at me, and woke anyone in the cabin not already awakened by his son. The purser had to calm him down. After that, for reasons I can't imagine, the brat tripped and fell every time it ran past me for the remainder of the flight. I never did get to sleep on that flight.

The ideal solution would be to require that babies be checked with pets in the heated, pressurized part of the baggage compartment, but unfortunately that's impractical because of evacuation requirements. Short of that, placing some cotton wool down a screaming baby's throat is effective in quieting it.
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 13):
Will earplugs prevent a baby from throwing up on your shoe? How about the mother resting her baby bag and everything else in your lap? Not to mention, we couldn't even get a drink because the bimbo FA (who was too proud to tell everyone about her own 5 kids) spent most of the flight caring for this woman and her infant.

Well, I think the issue here is about the noise that babies are capable of generating  smile ....and as for throwing up, grown ups often do that just as well as kids do....

Most parents would take care that their kids don't throw up into the neighbouring passengers lap, I suppose.....guess you just got out of the wrong side of the bed that day....
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:13 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
....and as for throwing up, grown ups often do that just as well as kids do....

Most adults have the decency to aim away from other people.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):

Most parents would take care that their kids don't throw up into the neighbouring passengers lap

I guess you haven't flown much.
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:26 am

To be honest babies are better behaved than young kids. A baby will only cry and maybe stink the cabin out by taking a dump halfway through the flight. However young kids drive me mad unless they have strict parents. When i was young and flew my mother used to make me stay in my seat and not piss around. Its called consideration for other passengers. Now when we fly in Business with mum and dad, I just go and chat up the Stewardesses!

What a lad!

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:48 am

LOL I remember getting the hiding of my my life for shouting and being told off by the FA for not sitting down and wandering around trying to look out of the windows on flight back from Dusseldorf when I was about nine or ten.

A long strapping on the bare over the arm of our sofa from my Dad when we got home soon taught me to behave myself when I was travelling with them. I remember neither of my parents spoke to me in the car journey home - i knew i was in trouble but didnt realise how much until my Dad grabbed me and held me over the arm of the sofa!
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:01 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 14):
My secret - my DJ headphones. Specifically designed to keep loud noise out. Ignore those BOSE noise cancelling ones - they will shut out the background noise, but the DJ monitors are designed to keep the NOISY stuff out - i.e.: baby crying non-stop whole flight.

Finally someone else who understands that noise cancelling headphones don't cut out the sound of babies crying! There are at least of two of us out there!  Wink
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:08 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 20):

DJ monitor headphones do though - people seriously should try them.

I've played clubs where the huge soundsystem is giving 80-90db+ all night, and to have any chance of mixing the tunes together, you need to hear whats in your headphones NOT whats on the house system. I'd be willing to guess that standing within 50 feet of a 777 at TOGA thrust would be a similar volume - and with these you are able to hear just fine whats going on in your headphones. Amazing piece of kit. Big grin
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 17):
Gr8Circle (Reply 16):

Most parents would take care that their kids don't throw up into the neighbouring passengers lap

I guess you haven't flown much.

Not only have I got substantial flying experience, but I have also flown a few times with my own small kid with me...seems like you just ended up with the bad cases....let's not generalise...all kids are not that bad and they also need to travel....
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
it is the stewardesses responsibility to say something if the kids are being unruly and bothering other passengers

Correction it is the parents responsibility to control their children. Flight Attendants are NOT babysitters. Except on Gulf air where they have onboard nannies.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:20 am

Flew from Detroit to Amsterdam with a baby and the mom sitting next to me. The baby cried the entire time so I didn't get too much sleep. Just couldn't help feeling sorry for the mom who was very embarrased. Babies cry, thats just life, people who can't accept that fact should stay home.
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:32 am

I've only seen a young child in first class once that I can recall. I think it was flying AS, and the kid was maybe 4 or 5.

My just took the family out on a Disney Cruise, and flew AS EUG-SEA-MCO, and his mom used her miles to upgrade them all to first class for the journey to MCO. His youngest daughter is 5, his son is 7, and his oldest daughter is 9. He says they were fine on the trip, but it was a red eye, so they probably all crashed. That, and his kid hd the Dig-E-Player to keep him bussy.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:44 am

i have had babies in first with me a few times...and i always expect the worse yet haven't been bothered by them the few times.

this past spring i was flying SYD-LAX-JFK and SYD-LAX was on qantas and i was in business, and while boardinig there was this couple in front of me with one baby a four year old (or so) and another kid about 10 years old...i was like "dear god, what have these parents gotten themselves into?" and of course my next concern was they would be seated next to me. thankfully they were on the main deck and i was in the upper deck...

at LAX i was in the admirals club grabbing a shower and come out and see this family again...and of course they were sitting right in front of me on the LAX-JFK run on AA in business...i was so terrified of that baby screaming for the next 6 hours.

didnt hear a single peep, nor a word from the other kids...when we disembarked i made a comment to the mother about how extraordinarily well behaved her kids were...she said "oh, you obviously werent sitting near use from sydney..."

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:23 am

I took my 2yoa to Maui from ORD in First Non-Stop on AA and all we did was buy her a portable dvd player and she watched her elmo movies and fell asleep we did get some nasty looks and she did get really exicted on landing in Maui and was really loud and happy to see the ocean but that was only the last 10mins. On the way home she slept the whole flight.
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:46 am

Here are my $0.02... Kids in any class are paying customers thus allowed on the plane. The PARENTS, not airline staff, are responsible for making sure that their children do not distrub the rest of the passengers. While flying with kids parents should attend to their children not booze or IFE with headphones one in order not to hear their kids scream. Also, no diapers in the front seat pocket or not in a bag even in the trash - it stinks to high heaven on long haul flights. My observation is that parents that have unruly kids in flight are eseentially raising spoiled brats that are unruly anyway and think that they can get away with anything, especially if they fly in F at a young age. Now... I say all of this because I have flow around the world with my boys since they were 5 weeks old. And every time we had a problem I apologized to the rest of the passengers in the immediate vicinity. Irresponsible parents and spoiled brats are the same in the air, at the mall or on the sky slopes. Ultimately, parents are responsible.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:09 am

Quoting Agill (Reply 24):
Babies cry, thats just life, people who can't accept that fact should stay home.

tell that to the person who has to close a $20 million dollar business deal the next day and who's company has paid thousands of dollars for that particular seat..

its the PARENTS responsibility to take care of their kids.......PERIOD!

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The PARENTS, not airline staff, are responsible for making sure that their children do not distrub the rest of the passengers.

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:26 am

It's not easy for both other passengers and parents to travel with small kids. Sometimes, you don't have a choice. My family had to go to a wedding in India when me and my sisters when we were all still rather young and that was NOT a fun flight. JFK-CDG-AUH-DEL and back. Both my sisters got very sick, but my mother was able to comfort them, and the Air France crew was helpful with them as well. We didn't go back till we were much older. They said in retrospect, taking us when we were still so young was a mistake. I think most parents need to consider that a small child may not be able to handle the occasion well, and may end up causing a problem for other passengers. First and foremost, the parents need to control their kids, not only for their own sanity, but for the safety of everyone on board.

One thing I will say is that because I was flying when I was young, I did learn how to behave properly on board as a passenger. Mom and Pop didn't put up with horse play from any of us. Now I'm in my 20's and whenever I travel, I just hope that if there is a small child on board, he'll be able to handle the air pressure change and be well behaved.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:36 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 9):
The closest I can think of such a ruling is that CO Presidents Clubs have a minimum age of 18 for those entering....I think.

Not the case. It's 21 or older to be a member, and your immediate family can accompany you, that's spouse and children under 21. The larger President's Clubs even have family rooms with doors so people can take their kids in there to play and not cause noise for the rest of the club members. A nice way to handle it, I think.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:37 am

Interest topic, I just flew back from LHR to JFK on AA First and had 2 kids to deal with up front. I've only encountered young kids twice on these trips, the first time the kid was a monster on the ground as we waited for the bags to be loaded at JFK (which delayed us over an hour) but once we took off the kid passed out and had to be woken in Ldn, yesterday it was a slightly different matter. 1 kid was about 3-4 and the other 1.5yrs (best guess) the 3/4 yr old almost broke the seat, but did eventually calm down during the flight, and the 1.5yr old slept for the first 4 hrs, then proceeded to scream at regular intervals, which proved it wasn't crying at all. The parents were pretty useless in giving the older 1 a good slap and telling him to calm down, but given it was an evening flight, I’m not sure how long they had already been traveling for, so I suppose it's unfair to pass too much judgement. I just know I would have been more annoyed if I had business meetings after I landed.

On the point of cost, kids under 2 only get charged a limited fee if they don’t take up a seat (if they even get charged at all) so saying that ‘if the parents can afford it, we can't stop them’ isn't entirely true, the parents are paying for their seats but if the kid isn't using one, they are free, or almost.

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:38 am

If they pay the full fare, the airlines should love 'em. I don't think there are cheaper fares for tykes in the premium cabins.

However, on a 13hr SYD-LAX/SFO trip you could really do without all that crying. That being said, it's more tolerable when in the age of noise cancelling headsets, IFE, and remembering that we were that small once and probably made someone else miserable at the time too.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 23):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
it is the stewardesses responsibility to say something if the kids are being unruly and bothering other passengers

Correction it is the parents responsibility to control their children. Flight Attendants are NOT babysitters. Except on Gulf air where they have onboard nannies.

What I was trying to say was that the airline staff must step in if they deem the parents are worthless in controlling the little bastards who are bothering the passengers. And I don't care if it is in First, Biz, or Steerage. Control the little punks or take Greyhound!
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:52 am

As a mom and someone who has had to fly with their child i know how it is.. I was trying to get from PWM to SRQ after last years hurricane... I was suppost to fly from BOS to TPA but it got changed to PWM to SRQ (where i was in need to go anyways) But i didnt know that they were putting me in 1st class.. When I finally realized i tried to give up my seats as I knew that people up there dont usually like kids up there. My daughter was just over 2 and did really good when we were almost to ATL and she started to wimper that her ear hurt (we had a quick take off) I felt bad, did everythign I could walked around in coach... but one lady in back of me told me to "shut up my F*cking kid.. i mean she was great until the last 20 min.. i could have been bad and let her scream and cry in her seat... was my first time flying with her and the other people in 1st were very nice but that lady and her hubby..
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:59 am




Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
The ideal solution would be to require that babies be checked with pets in the heated, pressurized part of the baggage compartment, but unfortunately that's impractical because of evacuation requirements.



Surely the matter of baby cargo evacuation can be overcome with some creative engineering....  scratchchin 




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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:13 am

What we have to keep in mind here is the difference between babies and children. Babies - well, there isn't a hell of a lot one can do about a restless baby. They don't know right from wrong, how to act in public and when to sit down and shut up.

Children on the other hand . . . now that's a different story entirely. I am absolutely not above telling the parents of some demon child to strap the little bastard to a seat before I become irritated . . . some parents look at me rather funny, some get mad, some tell an F/A (who is usually glad someone did something he/she couldn't), none of them ignore me. ALL of them restrain the little rugrat after I've spoken.

If you wanna act like a heathen, do it at home or on the playground . . . traveling (or at a restaurant or the store, etc) is NOT the place for it. Teaching the children from the very beginning is the answer.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:32 am

I paid the extra few bucks to upgrade on a FL flight a few months ago. DFW-ATL-IND, Business class, and some woman had this little dog that barked and yipped the ENTIRE way - and she was on BOTH flights.

I was not pleased. Neither were the other passengers. One flight attendant asked her to quiet her dog, and she just laughed and said softly to the dog "Be quiet, baby". Of course it didn't work.  banghead 

If I had thought I could get that L1 door open, I would have launched that little bastard out at FL360.

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:52 am

The best infant I've ever traveled with was up front, flying SIN-NRT-SEA. Didn't even realize there was a baby on board for the first 7 hour leg.

And I've heard kids halfway down the flight having a bad day. Sometimes it happens.

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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:17 am

I was one about 16 years ago on a TWA flight from LA to London...shame I can't remember it!
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:22 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
. . . (as a rule I despise kids in general) . . .

You're a monster!  laughing 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:35 am

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 41):
You're a monster!  laughing 

Thank you!  bigthumbsup   devil 

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 39):
The best infant I've ever traveled with was up front, flying SIN-NRT-SEA. Didn't even realize there was a baby on board for the first 7 hour leg.

And I've heard kids halfway down the flight having a bad day. Sometimes it happens.

Babies can't help themselves. But any child over the age or 2-3 that presents him/herself as a whineyassed rude obnoxious little cuss, needs a spanking - then and there.

Of course, as I said - teach them from the beginning what is proper and what is not, and there will be no problems.

My daughter - now 11 - has flown thousands of miles with me - all in F. Her longest non-stop (with me) was ANC-HNL I guess . . . her longest ride (with me) including ground time was ANC-PHX-SJC. Well behaved on all flights . . . because there are consequences for inappropriate behavior. Just as there are consequences for appropriate behavior.

I have a hard time blaming the child anymore - it's usually, in my experience, a lack of parenting. Face it - some people shouldn't breed.  stirthepot 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:40 am

There was a kid in BA Club world when i flew it from Los Angeles to Heathrow in July. Must have been about 1 and had a whole seat to itself. Was quiet at first, until i started to go to sleep, then it decided to scream the plane down. Typical.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:55 am

I don't have a problem with it- as long as mom or dad keeps them quiet. For the most part, I've flown with babies in first, and they are generally very well behaved. Afterall, the parents paid for it, so why restrict paying customers with kids? It won't happen-because an airline will never turn away more money.
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:06 am

Hi
I fly always with my daughter in first class she is now five since she was little never had a problem with her we fly from JFK-LHE almost two three times a year.
 
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:10 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 12):
Facts - all babies cry at some point; some babies have wealthy parents who will pay for premium cabin seats.

It's called life - sometimes it's smooth, sometimes rough. Get on with it!

But wouldn't it be fair to those who pay a large First class premium to be able to sleep, to be guaranteed a quiet cabin? I think so.

I cannot see why an airline shouldn't ban children from First class. But since they haven't done, this really can't be a serious problem.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:18 am

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 46):
But wouldn't it be fair to those who pay a large First class premium to be able to sleep, to be guaranteed a quiet cabin? I think so.

I cannot see why an airline shouldn't ban children from First class. But since they haven't done, this really can't be a serious problem.

Going out on a limb here: Because they want money? Last time I checked, you had to pay to get into the front cabin. Are they seriously going to reject money because of a child that may or may not be a problem? There aren't many airlines that so consistently fill up their F/J cabins that they can afford to reject a segment of the population willing to spend cash.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:29 am

I was in First for my first trip, which was about 2 weeks after I was born.
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RE: Babies In First

Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:51 am

I've heard funny stories about families, where the parents fly first class, and the children fly coach, the wellbeing of the children being left up to the oldest child.

When my mom and I moved to London in 1987, we were booked in coach, but ended up flying business class because coach was overbooked. She likes to tell me how bad the flight was for her because there was no place to change my diaper, and the flight attendants were pissed that an 11 month old baby was in business class.

To me, this whole situation is like everything else in life, like restaurants. I work in a "casual +" restaurant where you will have a couple on a date seated next to a family with screaming children. Yes, it's annoying, but that's life.
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