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Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:08 pm

http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1398

British Airways flight 116, a 747-400, has experienced a fire in engine number 2 after takeoff from runway 31L at approximately 2325 lcl. The flight landed safely on runway 31L some 20 minutes later and was inspected by fire services on taxiway papa.

It is has taxiied back to T7 to offload passengers.

One fire bottle was fired and the immediate inspection revealed that "the core of the engine is gone".

Stay tuned to www.NYCAviation.com and the aforementioned thread for the latest details and an eyewittness account!

Brian

[Edited 2005-12-30 06:27:11]
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:37 pm

Another RR engine fart.....

Anyway not too dangerous as they are designed to operate on three. Hope a pax on that side had their video camera on!..... or the 1600 iso + on the DSLR  Smile
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:41 pm

Anyone catch the tail number on this one?
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:41 pm

Oh come on, they could have made LHR easily on 3 engines!  duck 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:43 pm

DLKAPA,

Yeah... what's all the fuss about  Smile
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:46 pm

Blimey, these BA incidents seem to come in bunches! First the diversion to Cardiff, then the FCO incident, now this! At least all have landed safely!
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:48 pm

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 2):
Anyone catch the tail number on this one?

See post number 5: http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1398.
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:11 pm

G-CIVE is the aircraft.

[Edited 2005-12-30 07:24:40]
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:15 pm

Didnt spend much time in the air!!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW116

A couple of circles then straight in!

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:24 pm

in case anyone asks for real why they didnt continue to england on 3...the answer is, a fire is too heavy a burden on any pilots mind for 6 hours across the atlantic, as well as the unknown damage it may have had on any components behind the wing
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:26 pm

Probably dumped a little fuel and then headed back for the airport.

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:41 pm

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kjfk/JFK-App-Dec-29-05-2330.mp3

Hope that works. Thats only NY ARR/DEP, doesnt have the moment when it happened but it's got the aircraft decending and orbiting over the airport and the decent for ILS 31L. Can't seem to get the Twr archive off liveatc.net.

Not quite 2 people on boards for this flight, 302 this time. They had 285 Tonnes of fuel on board. Dont know in pounds, you do the math!!! Big grin

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:07 pm

Hold on...Hold on, i've found the JFK tower feed!!! It actually took off earlier than I imagined, about 23:24 ish, so i was looking at the wrong feed! If you go to about 24:00 minutes, the JFK tower controller first reports the fire and the other aircraft 'comment' on it later on. You can first hear the BA flight at about 20:35 mintutes (ish), and its cleared to take off at 23:00 minutes.

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kjfk/JFK-Twr-Dec-29-05-2300.mp3
Arr!! can't get the link working, anyway go to liveatc.net, Archive feeds, KJFK TWR, 23:00-23:30, and then click on the LISTEN button when it comes up.

Hope this is good!!

BA0284  

[Edited 2005-12-30 11:08:26]

[Edited 2005-12-30 11:08:47] Trying to fix the link

[Edited 2005-12-30 11:09:59] FIXED THE LINK!!

[Edited 2005-12-30 11:10:43]
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:56 pm

Quoting BA0284 (Reply 11):
They had 285 Tonnes of fuel on board. Dont know in pounds, you do the math!!!

I can assure you they didn't have anywhere near 285 tons of fuel on board a 747!  Smile
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:59 pm

Quote:
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * BA 116 -1 TH 29DEC
CITY INFO HOUR (LOCAL

JFK ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 2250
LEFT THE GATE 2257
TOOK OFF 2323
DELAY LATE INCOMING AIRCRAFT
AIRCRAFT LANDED 2341
ARRIVED 0014
NEXT INFO WILL BE AT 0500
DIV LHR JFK
AIRCRAFT DEFECTS
PASSENGERS ON BOARD (295)

ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 1016 LHR
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 2350 JFK

Not due to arrive into LHR till 2350 this evening now!

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:09 pm

Not a good week for BA with all the incidents they had. Good thing everyone is OK.
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 13):
I can assure you they didn't have anywhere near 285 tons of fuel on board a 747!

That's what the captain of the flight said when the JFK controller asked how much fuel in pounds he had, and the captain answered in tonnes. (First link i posted, 7 minutes onwards.)

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:19 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 4):
DLKAPA,

Yeah... what's all the fuss about


I was the eyewitness to the event, my full account is here http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1398
but I can tell you that even I had to do a double take with all the flames and spark contrails coming from that engine. It was not until well after the turn over Breezy Point, Rockaways that the fire was put out. It definitely stopped traffic and people got out of there cars because to the casual person, it looked more than a simple engine fire.

[Edited 2005-12-30 15:21:19]
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:05 am

Quoting N754PR (Reply 1):
Another RR engine fart.....

It looked more like a big time irregular bowel movement than a fart.  Wink
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:12 am

Looking at that flight path, I can't imagine they dumped a lot of fuel...

How is this affecting BA's schedule? I assumed they sent these stranded pax to LHR a few hours later on the 747 that usually overnights and operates the morning departure to LHR? Or perhaps not?
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:19 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 19):
How is this affecting BA's schedule? I assumed they sent these stranded pax to LHR a few hours later on the 747 that usually overnights and operates the morning departure to LHR? Or perhaps not?

According to the morning news...the pax and crew from flight 116 overnighted in hotels and were scheduled to leave this morning.
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:05 am

Thats a cluster of incidents with BA's RR engines on 744's bit weird, not implying anything but maybe an internal investigation should be undertaken?
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:28 am

Damm. Did not know it was so bad. But hearing the ATC, christ.

I hope this thing gets sorted, not really a good week for BA plane wise Sad
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:35 am

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 13):
assure you they didn't have anywhere near 285 tons of fuel on board a 747

JFK-LHR is more like 85tons.
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 23):
Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 13):
assure you they didn't have anywhere near 285 tons of fuel on board a 747

JFK-LHR is more like 85tons.

I have no idea how much fuel is required, but on the audio the Captain/First Officer definitely says "285 ton(ne)s" after being asked for fuel remaining in lbs (to which he replies that he doesn't know about lbs!).

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:48 am

Notice that not a single person in this thread has made any comments about the quality of BA maintenance or such things.....quite rightly so, I would say...

But I can't help remembering that when a few days back, an AI 744 had to turn back and land at LAX due to blown tyres (a relatively smaller emergency than a burning engine), one of the first responses on a.net was "is this a result of poor maintenance....?" - I was the one who replied to that thread saying "lets wait for the investigation report before jumping to conclusions".....

Why this haste to always condemn the quality of airlines outside the N.American and Euro world????
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:51 am

But wasn't the CWL diversion the (belated) result of a bird strike?
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:54 am

Quoting Feroze (Reply 24):
I have no idea how much fuel is required, but on the audio the Captain/First Officer definitely says "285 ton(ne)s" after being asked for fuel remaining in lbs (to which he replies that he doesn't know about lbs!).

Perhaps he was flying back to LHR with more fuel because of the current rationing situation at LHR?

Can the B744 hold 285 tonnes? (Boeing website reports max in US gallons - 57,285, and litres - 216,840, but I don't know how this equates to weight)

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 9):
in case anyone asks for real why they didnt continue to england on 3...the answer is, a fire is too heavy a burden on any pilots mind for 6 hours across the atlantic, as well as the unknown damage it may have had on any components behind the wing

As opposed to proceeding on a 10+ hour flight from LAX to LHR on 3 engines where they didn't make their final destination and had to drop in MAN ?
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:10 am

Well the silver lining is, a decently loaded 744 with #2 on fire during t/o and/or climb and then inop can very safely and promptly return to base.

Good job to the crew

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:13 am

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 27):
Can the B744 hold 285 tonnes? (Boeing website reports max in US gallons - 57,285, and litres - 216,840

NO. 216840 litres at 0.8 s.g. is 173472kg. Which sounds about right to me. (I refuelled B744 all summer but never up to max)
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 26):
But wasn't the CWL diversion the (belated) result of a bird strike?

Well, it must have been seen fit by the JFK ground engineers, as they must have cleared it for flight.
It had a bird strike on the way in, and maybe one of the fan blades got sucked into the engine due to damage, ripping apart the core ?

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 28):
As opposed to proceeding on a 10+ hour flight from LAX to LHR on 3 engines where they didn't make their final destination and had to drop in MAN ?

The pilots contacted LHR, and they said it was fit to fly back.

Quoting BA0284 (Reply 16):
That's what the captain of the flight said when the JFK controller asked how much fuel in pounds he had, and the captain answered in tonnes. (First link i posted, 7 minutes onwards.)

This is why it's bad for us to work in different metric scales.

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:43 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 9):
in case anyone asks for real why they didnt continue to england on 3...the answer is, a fire is too heavy a burden on any pilots mind for 6 hours across the atlantic, as well as the unknown damage it may have had on any components behind the wing


I don't think anyone would have to ask for real. Duh!
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 9):
in case anyone asks for real why they didnt continue to england on 3...the answer is, a fire is too heavy a burden on any pilots mind for 6 hours across the atlantic, as well as the unknown damage it may have had on any components behind the wing



Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 31):
The pilots contacted LHR, and they said it was fit to fly back.

Well yeah, of course they discussed it with ops. My point to the original post was sarcasm about the logic of not wanting to continue on a 6 hour flight yet proceeding on a 10 hour flight under similar circumstances.
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:25 am

285T is around Max Landing Weight of a 747, this is likely to have been the figure they have in the heads and erroneously gave to the tower...lots of other things in their minds when the tower asked for fuel onboard in Lbs!

They should just have said "lots"

The 747 can land much heavier if needed, but JFK-LHR is not max range. If they had been over and were safe with the fire out on 3 engines they would have dumped fuel to get under 285, if they had problems and were over 285T, then it would have been a case of **** it and get the sucker on the ground.

Good job all round.
 
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:07 pm

An AN124 arrived in JFK from EGSS this afternoon carrying a spare RR engine.

See: http://www.nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1407

Quoting Gordonroxburgh (Reply 34):
285T is around Max Landing Weight of a 747, this is likely to have been the figure they have in the heads and erroneously gave to the tower

That makes perfect sense. JFK-LAX on a 744 calls for about 105,000 lbs of fuel, so I can't imagine the pond-crossing being much more than that (at least not enough to exceed MLW/285T).
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:10 pm

Quoting Futterman (Reply 35):
An AN124 arrived in JFK from EGSS this afternoon carrying a spare RR engine.

Cool. Any word on how long until she is back in service?

And has anyone been able to figure out how BA dealt with 250+ stranded passengers? Did they ferry a plane in to carry all the pax the next morning or what?
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:33 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 27):
Can the B744 hold 285 tonnes?

Not a chance.

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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:22 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 25):
Notice that not a single person in this thread has made any comments about the quality of BA maintenance or such things.....quite rightly so, I would say...

I just saw on Sky News that one of the British Sunday papers has a front page headline about concerns over BA safety, I'm sure maintenance will be looked at if any investigation materialises. We all know what the media is like but front page is going to raise the awareness of the "issue" among the non-aviation public.
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:08 pm

I made a condensed version of the ATC chatter following BAW116 from ground to twr and ending right before landing, including ground calls to emergency vehicles.

http://vinaasha.antiuser.org/baw116.mp3
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RE: Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!

Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:20 pm

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 39):
I made a condensed version of the ATC chatter following BAW116 from ground to twr and ending right before landing, including ground calls to emergency vehicles.

Very Clear recording.. thanks for sharing !