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JNB To Be Renamed

Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:25 pm

I just received my utilities account and with it was the newsletter of my municipality which includes Johannesburg International Airport within its borders. According to the newsletter JNB is to be renamed OR Tambo International Airport.

For those who don't know, and I guess this would include the vast majority of passengers arriving here, Oliver Tambo was a contemporary of Nelson Mandela, he was president of the African National Congress for many years and to many here a hero of the stuggle against apartheid.

We actually have an official body here for place name changes! The airport used to be called Jan Smuts (in fact some road signs to the airport still bear this name) but this name disappeared some time back.

No date was mentioned for the name change and I'm not sure if the local municipality can change the name without it going higher up but they seem pretty confident it will go ahead, as it has the backing of our President.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:41 pm

Rather than worry about the name, they should do something about the dreadful queue at international arrivals. Allow a good hour before you hand someone your passport!  Sad
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:48 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Rather than worry about the name, they should do something about the dreadful queue at international arrivals. Allow a good hour before you hand someone your passport!

Well, they are not bothered about the queue problems - just a few weeks ago, pax from a nigerian flight (amongst others) strolled through passport control because they were not staffed at all...

Don't expect much to improve...
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:02 pm

And so the waste of taxpayers’ money continuous. Instead of spending the funds on much needed infrastructure in townships, where people are living below the poverty line in corrugated iron shacks, the ruling party decides to rather spend it on an airport name change - that is so insightful.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:23 pm

If I recall, the ANC wanted all airports to be named after the city they served. They said it made more sense than having an airport named after a person. This I agreed with.

Now they are throwing this policy into the water and renaming JNB after a person? Bunch of inept idiots.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 3):
Instead of spending the funds on much needed infrastructure in townships, where people are living below the poverty line in corrugated iron shacks, the ruling party decides to rather spend it on an airport name change - that is so insightful.

I would share this sentiment if it was not for the fact that these are the same people that keeps on voting the ANC clowns into power with every election.
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:02 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Allow a good hour before you hand someone your passport!

An hour is a breeze compared to what I experienced at ATL and LAX, both times by the time I got to baggage claim the luggage from our flight was stacked next to the belt and another flight's baggage was on the carousel!
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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:33 pm

Quoting Euclid (Reply 4):
I would share this sentiment if it was not for the fact that these are the same people that keeps on voting the ANC clowns into power with every election.

I agree, but these fellow citizens are brainwashed in every possible way. They are uneducated with regards to politics and will believe every piece of propaganda that the "clowns" are feeding them.

I am getting of topic here....


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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:21 pm

Pretoria first, JNB second. what next?

I don't see an agenda here. Not at all.
 
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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:05 am

Large cities like Johannesburg and Pretoria make international news, smaller cities and towns obviously not. As Andz pointed out, we have the South African Geographical Names Council, resorting under the Department of Arts and Culture.

http://sagns.dac.gov.za/

You don't see an agenda, I must be missing something....

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Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:18 am

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 6):
I agree, but these fellow citizens are brainwashed in every possible way. They are uneducated with regards to politics and will believe every piece of propaganda that the "clowns" are feeding them.

I don't think South Africa's situation differs that much from other nations around the world. Why, here in the USA, seems like we have an out of touch half of our population who believe the ill-advised agenda the corrupted govenment is trying to spoon-feed us.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:38 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 9):
Why, here in the USA, seems like we have an out of touch half of our population who believe the ill-advised agenda the corrupted govenment is trying to spoon-feed us.

I agree 100% with you. I had quite a few laughs, talking to some US Citizens when I recently visited the US. Although the sad part is that we have a large chunk of people who can not even read or write - they are then bombarded with a choice of about 35 political parties who want their votes.


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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:47 am

Who is Jan Smuts again? And while we're at it who is D. F. Malan (D.W.?)?
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:24 am

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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:44 am

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 12):
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So are these two guys not PC anymore? Is it like having Atlanta named after a Confederate leader? I couldn't really tell from the links.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:11 am

Basically all the major airports were named after political figures in the Apartheid-era. After the first democratic elections in 1994 it was decided that all airport names, resorting under ACSA (Airports Company of South Africa), would change to the respective cities they served. E.g. DF Malan Airport became Cape Town International Airport, etc.

This type of renaming suited all parties, but it seems as if the ANC and Government is reneging on this deal. You are spot on that DF Malan and Jan Smuts' names are no longer political correct.


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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:21 am

Well, DAR ES SALAAM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (DAR) was just last month renamed to MWALIMU JULIUS K. NYERERE AIRPORT.

Its named after Mwalimu J.K Nyerere the founding nation of United Republic of Tanzania.
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:31 am

This is just an effort by the ANC to marginalise the European/colonial heritage from S Africa, and give the cities and airports African names, just like what Zimbabwe did after it's independance. It'will start with the airports, and will evetually move to renaming cities, provinces, states, and finally, the country.
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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 16):
It'will start with the airports, and will evetually move to renaming cities, provinces, states, and finally, the country.

It did not start with the airports. Cities and towns have already been renamed. Although not yet official, Pretoria has been referred to as Tshwane for quite a while now.

Others include Pietersburg to Polokwane, Warmbaths to Bela Bela, Potgietersrus to Mokopane etc.

The Lowveld Province has been renamed to Mpumalanga.

Maybe, at one hell of a stretch of the imagination, places such as Louis Trichardt may not be politically correct to the government, even though he had absolutely nothing to do with apartheid, but Warmbaths? What the hell is offensive about that?
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:34 am

Quoting Euclid (Reply 17):
Maybe, at one hell of a stretch of the imagination, places such as Louis Trichardt may not be politically correct to the government, even though he had absolutely nothing to do with apartheid, but Warmbaths? What the hell is offensive about that?

India has done the same thing, which I think is a phenomenal waste of time, but whatever floats your boat...
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:47 am

Wasn't JFK once called Idlewild? Then there's Paris CDG. And what about the laughable Ronald Regan International?! What next? Heathrow becomes Margaret Thatcher International?

I'm deeply suspicious of attempts to deify politicians in any country. Let's just stick to geographical names. They'll do just fine.
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:02 am

I don't really care who they name the airport after. To me it's Jo'burg (International)Airport and I suspect it will always be known as that. Honorary titles are fine with me but rather meaningless. For you folks knowledgeable about JNB,what's the deal with the international terminal building,it just seems too small(not deep enough in the check-in area)? It's absolute chaos between 1800 and 2000 with everybody and their dog(families seeing passengers off)jammed into that area. Are there any plans for a new international terminal building?
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:03 am

Quoting PM (Reply 19):
Wasn't JFK once called Idlewild? Then there's Paris CDG. And what about the laughable Ronald Regan International?! What next? Heathrow becomes Margaret Thatcher International?

I'm deeply suspicious of attempts to deify politicians in any country. Let's just stick to geographical names. They'll do just fine.

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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 20):
Are there any plans for a new international terminal building?

A friend who works for a construction company that is currently busy with the upgrading of the apron has mentioned that they are tendering on a "midfield terminal project" for JNB. Makes sense, there are acres of wasted space out there between the runways.
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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:11 am

So - Jan Smuts. Why are they changing the name? I Googled him and he seemed like an OK guy, only leader to sign treaties at the end of WWs 1 and 2, and a big advocate for the League Of Nations. Or was he a big racist and that was left off the biog I read?
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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:13 am

Quoting PM (Reply 19):
I'm deeply suspicious of attempts to deify politicians in any country. Let's just stick to geographical names. They'll do just fine.

Respect! It is a shame to rename any city-named airport after a political figure. Hope they abandon these plans in JNB.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 20):
For you folks knowledgeable about JNB,what's the deal with the international terminal building,it just seems too small(not deep enough in the check-in area)? It's absolute chaos between 1800 and 2000 with everybody and their dog(families seeing passengers off)jammed into that area. Are there any plans for a new international terminal building?

I have not seen the blueprint or a model of the future extensions. What I can tell you is that the A-apron is being extended, which seems to look like an L-shaped pier, where additional widebodies, including the A380, can be accommodated.

The old domestic arrivals-and departures area; which was situated in the middle of the International-and new Domestic Terminal; has been demolished. A CTA (Central Terminal Area) is to be constructed here, which should alleviate the gripes that pax have about the distance between the two terminals. At one stage there was speculation that SAA and its alliance partners would move to the new CTA. However, if this is still on the cards, remains to be seen.


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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:19 am

Cedarjet as far as I know Jan Smuts was an okay guy as politicians in South African history go, the name probably fell by the wayside as it was lumped with other ex Prime Ministers' names for airports (DF Malan, PW Botha etc) that had to go.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 9):
I don't think South Africa's situation differs that much from other nations around the world. Why, here in the USA, seems like we have an out of touch half of our population who believe the ill-advised agenda the corrupted govenment is trying to spoon-feed us.

Actually, here in the USA we have half of our population believing the agenda that the biased news media and our transnational socialist elites are force feeding us.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:23 am

I'm surprised the ANC didn't propose the name to be changed to "Robert Mugabe Int'l" in honor of their favorite dictator.  Yeah sure
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:25 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 22):
A friend who works for a construction company that is currently busy with the upgrading of the apron has mentioned that they are tendering on a "midfield terminal project" for JNB. Makes sense, there are acres of wasted space out there between the runways.

Thanks for that info Andz. I have always wondered why ACSA did not explore the idea of a midfield terminal. Hopefully they will have underground walkways or trains in place like at ATL.

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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:29 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 28):
I'm surprised the ANC didn't propose the name to be changed to "Robert Mugabe Int'l" in honor of their favorite dictator.

Now don't plant any ideas in their heads. They may actually go for it.... sour 


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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 26):
as far as I know Jan Smuts was an okay guy as politicians in South African history go

Getting a bit off topic (!), but I'd recommend Jan Smuts' home just outside Pretoria as a fascinating place to visit. He was a man of his time and part of pre-Apartheid (but still very racist) South Africa but he was also a genuine statesman and the kind of historical figure the young state should be proud of. Now, Malan was the first PM of the Apartheid era and, although Verwoerd did more to create the system that existed between 1948 and 1994, Malan's name was never going to remain on anything under the ANC. The shame is that Smuts and Malan - who were very different and held profoundly different views on race and much else - are being lumped together as equally reprehensible. That's a bit blinkered.
 
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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:36 am

Even in their craziest days I do not remember the USSR naming airports after the Stalinist leadership (cities ok, but not the airports); correct me if i am wrong.

As for which half of the USA is crazy, it really depends on what day it is. Both sides are crazy about certian things; what happened to the middle?

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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 16):
This is just an effort by the ANC to marginalise the European/colonial heritage from S Africa, and give the cities and airports African names, just like what Zimbabwe did after it's independance

Well, you'll only be happy if everything's named Botha International Airport or worse still, Strijdom International Airport.

Guess those Afrikaaners should have been nicer to black Africans, eh? What goes around, comes around, I guess.

Still its a waste of time, money and effort to change the names of airports. For some reason, politicians always chase after airports in their post-colonial fervor. Rather absurd, since most of the African poor will probably never use JNB in their lifetime. I can understand changing the name from Jan Smuts to Johannesburg International given the bitter taste of apartheid, but at some point, common sense should take over.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
India has done the same thing, which I think is a phenomenal waste of time, but whatever floats your boat...

With India, its local ethnic political parties strutting around for power who change the names of cities. Its not only a waste of time, but its a waste of resources. Apparently, Bangalore (an Indian name pronounced and written as such by everyone except perhaps local ethnic politicians) is now being given the tongue twister name of Bengjalooroo (cross between a Bengal Tiger and a Kangaroo, I guess).
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:49 am

Quoting PM (Reply 19):
Wasn't JFK once called Idlewild? Then there's Paris CDG. And what about the laughable Ronald Regan International?! What next? Heathrow becomes Margaret Thatcher International?

This is different though. Idlewild was just a nmae for the region it was in, had no real significance. But Jan Smuts is somewhat different. It's suggesting that "Ok mate, you've had your time, and it's up". DCA was changed also, because it had no real signifcance to the name. It's now called Ronald Reagan/National. It's still retains part of the original name. When the Atlanta City Council voted to name ATL in honour of former mayor, the Maynard Jackson, they still kept the namesake of William B Hartsfield. They just named it Atlanta-Hartsfield/Jackson International Airport. Bit of a long name, but for now, at least it respects the dignity of the original namesake.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:51 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 33):
Well, you'll only be happy if everything's named Botha International Airport or worse still, Strijdom International Airport.

Guess those Afrikaaners should have been nicer to black Africans, eh? What goes around, comes around, I guess.

Not at all, I just think the name should stick.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:25 am

Johannesburg International does well as a name. They should stick to that. And so many names are changing and have changed already.. It is a complete waste of money considering the prevailing levels of poverty, the fight against AIDS and crime, the urgent need for housing, education, etc.

But this is the price SA has to pay in the post apartheid era. It is good to be critical and voice anger and indicate how the government does not have its priorities right and keeps wasting money in an ethical questionable way. However, what can one do when 2/3 of the population votes for one party?? Let's hope that the ANC will split at some point so as to create a more democratic kind of political system. But now, today's system is the -better- alternative to apartheid!!

Also, whatever name(s) JNB may be getting in the near future, I'll know how to find it, and will hopefully be visiting my SA friends soon again. Whatever names cities, towns, provinces will have, It remains a magic place!
 
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:19 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 34):
This is different though. Idlewild was just a nmae for the region it was in, had no real significance. But Jan Smuts is somewhat different. It's suggesting that "Ok mate, you've had your time, and it's up". DCA was changed also, because it had no real signifcance to the name. It's now called Ronald Reagan/National. It's still retains part of the original name. When the Atlanta City Council voted to name ATL in honour of former mayor, the Maynard Jackson, they still kept the namesake of William B Hartsfield. They just named it Atlanta-Hartsfield/Jackson International Airport. Bit of a long name, but for now, at least it respects the dignity of the original namesake.

My point exactly. What was "wrong" with Idlewild? It described where the airport was located. Here in Zurich our airport is located in Kloten. Geneva is Cointin. Basel airport is in, er, Basel. Keep it simple. When you don't you get just the mess you've described in Atlanta.
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:27 am

The renaming of Johannesburg International Airport to Oliver R Tambo International is at an advanced stage.

http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_articles&i=51419


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Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:30 am

I always think it's really naff to name airports after people.
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:42 am

I assume that whatever the added name, Jo'burg will remain Jo'burg for the travellers.
 
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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:50 am

No Jo'burg will also change, two names are the best candidates: Noeato (North East Township) or Vereeniging. I guess the ANC will go with the first one.

... just kidding ...  duck 

Going back to topic, MUC is also known as Franz-Josef-Strauss airport, but nobody in Germany uses that name, however strange enough FAs, pilots etc use that name when making announcements...

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I assume that whatever the added name, Jo'burg will remain Jo'burg for the travellers.
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Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:25 pm

Personally I won't refer to JNB as Oliver Tambo International Airport, just like I don't refer to Atlanta International as Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport or Washington National as Ronald Reagan National Airport.

IMO it is ridiculous and a waste of money.


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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:13 pm

If memory serves my right, Jan Smuts was the person who started the South African Air Force - The same airforce that still serve our country today under ANC rule. Isn't it appropriate to name airports after people who did their bit for Aviation in a Country ?
 
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RE: JNB To Be Renamed

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:07 am

In the eyes of the ANC, Jan Smuts = colonialism. What makes me mad is that the ANC reneged on a deal, brokered more than 10 years ago, that all ACSA Airports would take on the names of the cities or towns they served.

By this time we should be used to their broken promises.  sarcastic 


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