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CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:31 am

Hi All....

A CO 764 (N66057) made a visit to CLE today enroute AMS-IAH due to full lavs. She arrived at about 1615 and as of 1631 she is sitting at the end of the A concourse.

Just passing on the message!

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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:35 am

Can you take any pics??? If not, how long do you think it's gonna be there ?? I would love to see some pix. It's not like we get to see the 764s everyday at CLE!
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:39 am

what do they eat in holland?
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
what do they eat in holland?

I don't get it !
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:15 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
what do they eat in holland?

Fries with mayonaise.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:38 am

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 3):
I don't get it !

You will. Just reread the initial post closely...  Wink
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:58 am

Back to the subject. It was CO 47 AMS-IAH, diverted to CLE, because the crappers were full, and needed dumped before continuing to IAH. It arrived at CLE at 1620 local and left at 1650 local.

Sexy, eh?  Silly
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:04 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
CO 47 AMS-IAH, diverted to CLE, because the crappers were full

One would presume that they pumped them in AMS, but that's a scary thought regardless, especially with the vacuum-flush toilets on these aircraft.  Wink
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:12 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
You will. Just reread the initial post closely...

LMAOOOOOOOOOO
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting SWACLE (Thread starter):
A CO 764 (N66057) made a visit to CLE today enroute AMS-IAH due to full lavs. She arrived at about 1615 and as of 1631 she is sitting at the end of the A concourse.

wow, no shit!!?!

(sorry.....had to...)
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting SWACLE (Thread starter):
she is sitting at the end of the A concourse.

Out of curiosity, do you know why it was way down on the A concorse? I thought CO only operated out of "C" and "D" (express) gates at Cleveland...and every time I've been there I think there's been at least one gate open (not that that means anything, of couse, since I'm there like once a month)

(Just out of curisoity, Don, some day ask any of your coworkers working either the ticket counter or gates (specifically C3) on the morning of the 25th if they got a card  Wink )

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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:10 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 10):
do you know why it was way down on the A concorse?

Probably due to the fact that since CO never flies any widebodies into CLE (where the ERJs make the 737s look like 747s), so they don't have the gate space to accomodate them.
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:51 am

Ignore my card comment, I really should pay more attention to usernames (as you may have put 2+2 together, C3=CO) before I post...though I'd like to think that I wasn't the only one doling out cards like a big smiling idiot on Christmas day.

One of these days, we should have a CLE meet, seems like there are a fair number of Clevelanders here.

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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:03 pm

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 10):
Out of curiosity, do you know why it was way down on the A concorse?

That's where customs and immigration is. All the international arrivals needing clearance go there.

I believe there are gates adequate for widebodies on all concourses except D.

Edited to make the spelling mavens happy.

[Edited 2005-12-31 05:09:24]
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:54 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 13):
I believe there are gates adequate for widebodies on all concourses except D.

I believe only A and B are now widebody capable. Although it is technically possible to park a widebody at C, you would have to leave both gates on either side empty to do so. Also, the lines on the ramp are not painted for anything larger than a 757 (and that's only at 3 gates or so) which brings up a safety issue with the ground equipment. Assuming the lines on A and B have not been redrawn in the last several years, at least one of the United gates on B and at least one of gates A1, A3 and A5 as well as the customs gates on A can take a 767 size aircraft.

Last summer a CO 777 diverted for medical reasons while the 757 London arrival was at the customs gates. The 757's outbound EWR leg was delayed because it got stuck at A12 while the 777 was at A14. CLE is defintely cramped for space when anything larger than a 757 is parked.
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:26 pm

I've seen wide bodies at C-5 or C-7 (not sure which), where CAL used to park A300s, and also, more recently, widebody charters at C-2.
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:34 pm

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 12):
One of these days, we should have a CLE meet, seems like there are a fair number of Clevelanders here.

im up for a CLE meet sometime.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:02 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 15):
I've seen wide bodies at C-5 or C-7 (not sure which), where CAL used to park A300s, and also, more recently, widebody charters at C-2.

The A300's have been gone for a long time, the lines are repainted every few years. Also, I may be wrong but I believe that both C-1 and C-2 are RJ only gates. C-2 may be able to take 737's as well but certainly not widebodies.
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:15 pm

Just consulted the layout... Make my reference to C-2 mean C-4, the first gate on the NW side.

Our definitions of "long time" aren't the same. For really ancient history, I believe UAL used to park their widebodies parallel to the terminal instead of nose-in and use two gates/jetways for the front and rear doors.

But more or less back to the topic, maybe CLE ought to designate a sterile pad for parking international diversions which do not intend to disembark all their pax.

[Edited 2005-12-31 08:20:26]
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:44 pm

definatley uo for CLE meet, however I will be out of town untill the 18th.

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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:19 pm

I am flying on a 753 LAX-CLE tomorrow. What gates are capable of taking a 753?
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:20 pm

Quoting CLEwatcher (Reply 16):
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 12):
One of these days, we should have a CLE meet, seems like there are a fair number of Clevelanders here.

im up for a CLE meet sometime.

I'm down for a meeting anytime after the 14th. I live 45 min. from CLE
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:54 pm

B6 is also capable of parking a widebody a/c. Delta uses it for 76's for the Cleveland Browns charters.
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:52 pm

C-3,C-5 and C-9 can handle widebodys, C-3 has a 767 stop mark... The 767 that diverted had three lavs inop, thats why it had to divert to dump the other lavs out.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:04 am

It landed at A-14 because that is where customs is, and since no one can come off the aircraft on an international flight until they clear customs, and agent has to be present.

As for widebody capable gates, there are several gates that are wide-body capable: C-3, C-4, C-5, C-9, C-22 in a pinch. NW has parked a 744 at C-4 in the past on a diverson.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting AislepathLight (Reply 20):
I am flying on a 753 LAX-CLE tomorrow. What gates are capable of taking a 753?

The CO 757s usually park at C3 or C5, except for the LGW flights since it deplanes passengers at Terminal A for customs and immigration before being tugged over to Terminal C.

Should CO ever schedule regular widebody service at CLE I would imagine it would use C3 as it seems to have the most room (and C1 & C2 are CoEx gates).
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:09 am

How comes they couldn't just wait to get to IAH? Was the plane 100% full?
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Americanairfan (Reply 26):
How comes they couldn't just wait to get to IAH? Was the plane 100% full?

It becomes a safety and health issues if all of the lavs are inop or full. One would have to imagine it was pretty bad onboard if they diverted to CLE instead of continuing the 1.5 - 2 hours to IAH.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:36 am

A few years back ('99 or so) a BA flight from LGW to BWI diverted to Gander because the toilets were full. Apparently, the company tasked with emptying the lavs at LGW did not do this. Ultimately, they paid the cost of the diversion, etc.

Kudos to Gander though...the plane was "emptied", as were the passengers in just an hour.

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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 12):
One of these days, we should have a CLE meet, seems like there are a fair number of Clevelanders here.

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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
It landed at A-14 because that is where customs is, and since no one can come off the aircraft on an international flight until they clear customs, and agent has to be present.

Why would they have any use for customs? Should have just been a dump and go and maybe a few extra hundred in fuel to make up for the divert. No need to go on the AC, new paperwork could print on the flight deck. If they got fuel they would have to open the doors but no one would have to come off the AC. When I worked there if they had a divert like that they automatically parked it over on A just to get it out of the way.

I've seen 767's on C-5, C-7, and I believe C-9. I remember United parking 747-200's on C-5 and seeing a KLM 747-400 park on C-4 which seemed an extraordinarily tight fit to me.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:20 pm

It's all about ramp setup. In the '70s United used to have several DC-10s and 747s parked around C at one time, plus DC-8s.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:55 pm

Crain's Cleveland newspaper mentioned that since CO has signed a 10 year lease extension to 2016, the airport will begin $150 million worth of terminal improvements.

Does this include the rumored move of customs to the C Concourse?
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 32):
Does this include the rumored move of customs to the C Concourse?

Unless they seriously rework the rotunda at the end of the C-gates (C19-26?), make an addition somewhere, or if customs requires far less space than I imagine, I don't really see where customs would fit on the C-gates without some significant changes to the way things are laid out.

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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 30):
Why would they have any use for customs? Should have just been a dump and go and maybe a few extra hundred in fuel to make up for the divert

Actually, the captian had to get a new flight plan and new numbers, and he, I believe was permitted to exit the plain. And any time an international fight lands and has not cleard customes, if the door is opened, customs must be present.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 33):
I don't really see where customs would fit on the C-gates without some significant changes to the way things are laid out.

Me either. CO's break rooms, maint. storage rooms, etc. take up alot of space underneath the end of C.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
NW has parked a 744 at C-4 in the past on a diverson.

You're quite right. I forgot that I once went out to CLE on a day that DTW was experiencing some really bad summer storms (they hit us about an hour later.) Several 757's and a DC-9 diverted as well as a DC-10 which they parked at C-4. The angle of the short, stubby jetway that they used to have on that gate was humorous. The current gate layouts for NW's side are only designed for 753's at the largest, however.

On a side note, I had my scanner that day and was listening to Cleveland Approach. They made an anouncement to pilots on the frequency that an ERJ overflying the MFD (Mansfield) VOR at FL310 reported such severe turbulence that they lost 13,000 feet in altitude before regaining control of the plane. As a pilot, myself, I felt my heart in my throat when I heard that.
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 34):
Actually, the captian had to get a new flight plan and new numbers,

Not to be argumenative but there is a printer on the flight deck that can do all of that.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 34):
And any time an international fight lands and has not cleard customes, if the door is opened, customs must be present.

Must be a local rule because it's certainly not the norm here at IAH. Hell, they'd need to add 10-15 customs people to accomplish that here with all the international flights that arrive at the same time.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 37):
Must be a local rule because it's certainly not the norm here at IAH. Hell, they'd need to add 10-15 customs people to accomplish that here with all the international flights that arrive at the same time.

The big difference is that this is done in a sterile facility, not at a regular gate.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 38):
The big difference is that this is done in a sterile facility, not at a regular gate

The A gate they would have parked at leads directly into customs so it would be sterile.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:58 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 39):
The A gate they would have parked at leads directly into customs so it would be sterile.

Agreed. That is why they used this gate instead of the C Concourse, as they would for any international flight that is not pre-cleared.

It would be nice to get a larger customs facility somewhere in C, but I think they would need to close some gates and construct something at the far end.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:28 am

What day did that ERJ lose 13,000'? I just flew in on an ERJ-145 from DFW and we had some nice bumps and t-storms around the Mansfield area on our initial approach.
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 40):
It would be nice to get a larger customs facility somewhere in C, but I think they would need to close some gates and construct something at the far end.

What would have been really nice is if they had built a ticket counter and connecting tunnel from the street directly to D to avoid the 1/2 mile hike from the D17 pier to the street! If you live in Brookpark your best option would be to jump the fence and walk across Brookpark road. You'd be home an comfortable before the person who went the normal way.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 42):
What would have been really nice is if they had built a ticket counter and connecting tunnel from the street directly to D to avoid the 1/2 mile hike from the D17 pier to the street! If you live in Brookpark your best option would be to jump the fence and walk across Brookpark road. You'd be home an comfortable before the person who went the normal way.

That was actualy in the plans in second phase of construction but it obviously fell off the planning table. IIRC it was to connect to Term C right near security.
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 42):
Brookpark your best option would be to jump the fence and walk across Brookpark road. You'd be home an comfortable before the person who went the normal way

I was at Baldwin Wallace College to see a performance not too long ago, and I remember driving by (at night, for the first time) thinking "What the    is this!?!"... felt like I was no more than 20 feet away from the end of the jetway and looked very new and nice...really wanted to stop and loiter...Had no idea it was part of CLE until I drove by Cargo/The CO hangars on my way to the freeway (I really do need to work on my Cleveland-area geography, especially now that I've been here for almost 6 months)...

One of these days I'm going to allow even more time before my flight and wander out and see what the D gates are like. (I non-pax were still allowed past security, it would be nice to just decide "next weekend that I'm going to go take a look around the airport")

Quoting FrequentFlyKid (Reply 41):
What day did that ERJ lose 13,000'? I just flew in on an ERJ-145 from DFW and we had some nice bumps and t-storms around the Mansfield area on our initial approach.

You would definately had known had you lost almost 3 miles worth of altitude. From what I understand it's the type of thing where just about anything not strapped down (including carryons and flight attendants) goes flying through the cabin, often suffering injuries.

Lincoln

[Edited 2006-01-03 03:39:23]
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 40):
Agreed. That is why they used this gate instead of the C Concourse, as they would for any international flight that is not pre-cleared.

It would be nice to get a larger customs facility somewhere in C, but I think they would need to close some gates and construct something at the far end.

I also believe its possible that if they stopped just to dump the crappers, they could do that at any terminal. they might have been out there to get off and take off ahead of any other departures.

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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting FrequentFlyKid (Reply 41):
What day did that ERJ lose 13,000'? I just flew in on an ERJ-145 from DFW and we had some nice bumps and t-storms around the Mansfield area on our initial approach.

This was July 4th (that's why I remember) 2003. Today might have been bumpy due to the storms but losing 13,000 is far from ordinary. You would have known.
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:17 am

LOL. Guys, I never said that I thought it was our plane. I just asked what day it was and was commenting that we had some bumps around the Mansfield VOR that night.
 
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RE: CO 764 66057 In CLE Today (12/30)

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting Frequentflykid (Reply 47):
LOL. Guys, I never said that I thought it was our plane. I just asked what day it was and was commenting that we had some bumps around the Mansfield VOR that night.

Understood, I just meant that losing 13,000 is more than just bumby.

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