jumpseatflyer
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Loose Drink Carts In Empty Cargo Hold

Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:41 pm

I was unloading hockey bags for the Florida Panthers charter to Buffalo on Miami Air on Saturday. While checking the front cargo hold (727, ex N835AA) for additional hockey bags/sound equipment, I noticed four drink carts laying (unteathered) on their sides in the otherwise empty hold. This seems like a really good way to damage the carts/bang up the belly walls. It's not a blantant safety issue, but it seems careless.

Any insight/expereince with this?

PS-- It felt really great to be in a 27 cockpit again. I haven't been in one since I didn't understand a thing about the systems.
 
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HAWK21M
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RE: Loose Drink Carts In Empty Cargo Hold

Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:52 pm

Lashing should have been provided in the Bulk hold.
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RE: Loose Drink Carts In Empty Cargo Hold

Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:15 pm

On the 727, that's pretty common. I remember doing engine out ferry flights and having to make sure all the galley equipment was in the Fwd cargo bin. IIRC there's no real way to secure it in there either.
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RE: Loose Drink Carts In Empty Cargo Hold

Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:11 pm

sounds like built in ballast for ferry fights!
 
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RE: Loose Drink Carts In Empty Cargo Hold

Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:33 pm

Exactly! IIRC on the 72, with no pax and a light fuel loading the CG is actually out of the envelope. However, there is a special engine out ferry CG limit chart and by putting all the galley equipment in the fwd cargo hold, you move the CG forward enough so there's no worries.
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RE: Loose Drink Carts In Empty Cargo Hold

Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:08 am

From my experience any catering equipment in the hold has always been secured with rope etc.
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Tod
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RE: Loose Drink Carts In Empty Cargo Hold

Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 2):
galley equipment was in the Fwd cargo bin. IIRC there's no real way to secure it in there either.

No tracks in the floor? How are containers secured?

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RE: Loose Drink Carts In Empty Cargo Hold

Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 6):
No tracks in the floor? How are containers secured?

there are no containers on a 727 its handloaded much like a 737
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