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Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:58 pm

That's what today's Boston Globe says. Hainan Airlines has been given the authority from the Chinese government to serve ONE U.S. city...and that city will be Boston.

The article goes on to say that cargo service will start this summer (with what type of aircraft, I have no clue...seems like the biggest they operate is the 767-300). Passenger service will start toward year-end, and again it would seem to be the 767-300 unless the carrier has some other aircraft better suited for the run from Logan to Shanghai and Beijing.

The article goes on to say the 787 will be used, once that type enters service. But since that's two years off, I guess the 767-300 will need to do unless the carrier has plans to lease a long-legged 777 or Airbus for the purpose.

Obviously Boston Mayor Menino--who couldn't tell a 777 from an MD-11 if his life depended on it--is falling all over himself with this news. And of course he's taking full credit for this announcement and will no doubt morph it into some grand strategy to make Boston the center of the Global economy.

Yes, the good people of Boston have managed to re-elect this guy for four straight terms.

Still, it's great to see plans for Boston-Asia service coming to reality.

Chris in NH
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:52 am

Wait.... they can't use a 767-300... wouldn't that involve two stops? That'll be hell of a flight.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:01 am

Hainan Airlines has yet to order 787 a/c, but wanting to do such. Not sure if the range would do CN-BOS.

[Edited 2006-01-02 17:02:40]
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:57 am

They have ordered the 787; the Boeing web site says they've ordered eight of them.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:33 am

Hainan already operates to Budapest.
Could they potentially operate Beijing-Budapest-Boston?

There are no direct services Boston-Budapest, and each sector is just over 4,000 miles, so it is possible on a B763ER.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:36 am

The article in The Boston Globe made it seem as though the flight would go nonstop from Boston to somewhere in Asia, then on to China. I guess we'll just have to see what happens this summer, when cargo service is slated to start.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:07 am

If anything Hainan should pursue SEA as the first US city rather than BOS.
SEA is probably within non-stop range of Beijing or Haikou with their 763ER's
Plus SEA already has a large Asian population around here to support this.
Didn't KE already try serving BOS a couple of years back with not much
success?
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:38 am

Cargo services first? HU only operates B737s and a handful of B763ERs, no all-cargo aircraft, unless they lease some planes.

PEK-BOS (6,737 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper)
NRT-BOS (6,701 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper)

The range of a B763ER is about 6,100 miles. Not sure if the HU B763s are ETOPS certfied, but perhaps ETOPS might play a part in getting HU to BOS?
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:46 am

Finally... Service To China From BOS... (by BoeingBus Jan 2 2006 in Civil Aviation)


but whatever.

I think this is great stuff for BOS, wow i wonder who bribed Massport for this one? Anywho, I really do hope this pan out to fruitration as this is a great oppertunity for BOS and NE travelers to have an easier connection to the East and beyond. But KE did try it in like 2000 I beleive but that never panned out adn the service was canceled soon after.
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:58 am

Who is Hainan's codeshare partner? It could be this is an interline all the way...
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:20 am

Will good for HU. They may find this a big success avoiding the over served NYC.

I think HU are part of the big 787 order China made. Also note the CR Airways 787's may be for HU.
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:45 pm

They could always stop in YVR on the way to BOS. That way HU could fly passengers between YVR and BOS.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:32 am

NW studied the market and was courted by Massport for a long time in an attempt to start Asia service from Logan but NW concluded that profitability on the route would be a long shot. Perhaps with the 787's coming online in a few years NW will re-investigate it. I'm more interested if my next paycheck is going to clear, though....
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:33 am

if Hainan has ordered the 787 is there a possibilty we could see their interest in the 777LR for this route?
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 4):
Hainan already operates to Budapest.
Could they potentially operate Beijing-Budapest-Boston?

There are no direct services Boston-Budapest, and each sector is just over 4,000 miles, so it is possible on a B763ER.

It's a good idea, but than it wouldn't be a China-Boston service.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:18 am

The intriguing thing is the cargo service, which is slated to start before passenger service. If the Boston Globe article is true, 'cargo service' (which presumes some sort of freighter--I would guess a leased MD-11?) will start this summer.

I will actually believe all this once I see it. Of course the wild card is the FAA, which needs to bless this before it starts.

Chris in NH
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:53 am

As per the article in my local MA newspaper today (AP feed), Hainan is China's fourth largest carrier and is in the process of changing its name to Grand China Airlines. According to MassPort CEO, the airline was given permission by the Chinese government to serve one US location. The article mentions sevceral times that these flights will be nonstop service to Beijing.

The article does mention aircraft types at all.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting Dean (Reply 14):
It's a good idea, but than it wouldn't be a China-Boston service.

Why wouldn't a same plane Beijing-Budapest-Boston service be considered a China-Boston service??

Since when does an intermediate stop for refuelling change the scope of the service??

Would you say that a Qantas flight Sydney-Singapore-London is not an Australia-UK flight???

You've confused me?!
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 17):
Why wouldn't a same plane Beijing-Budapest-Boston service be considered a China-Boston service??

Would you say that a Qantas flight Sydney-Singapore-London is not an Australia-UK flight???

I understand your idea, and I did not say that is a bad one. But I think SYD-LHR service via SIN is not a good example to compare PEK-BOS service via BUD. LHR-SIN-LHR is only 170-200 km longer than LHR-SYD direct (according to Great Circle Map), but PEK-BUD-BOS route is 3200 km longer than PEK-BOS direct...
If HU would like to operate BOS via BUD, I think they should do it as a MA codeshare flight operated by MA... But as far as I know both MA and HU require more widebody aircrafts for future expansions... Correct me if I'm wrong!
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:43 pm

I think these cargo flights will bring FAR more freight into Boston than they take out. Manufacturing of goods has been shifting to Asia for a long time, so the ratio of imported to exported will be quite high. Unless there's a big Chinese appetite for lobsters and tuna, I can't imagine what the outbound flights from Boston would be filled with. Maybe all the copies of The Boston Globe and The Boston Herald no one wants to buy  Wink.

The 787 seems as though it will be perfect for a route like this: long and thin. The big question is what Grand China uses for equipment in the interim.

Chris in NH
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:28 am

In airline language in the US, "direct service" does not mean "non-stop" service. I do not agree with this usage, but that is the way it is. Since Hainan does not own any aircraft that make it non-stop, then using the Boston Globes use of "direct flight, would mean a stop somewhere.
 
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RE: Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:21 am

MassPort specifically says NONSTOP, not direct.

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