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SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:32 am

Not sure if this has been discussed, but I read on SQ's website that the airline plans to take delivery of their 773ERs sometime this year. Has anyone heard when and what route the initial orders will be deployed on?
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:47 am

I'd like to see them on the SYD routes!
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting Soaring2hi (Thread starter):
Not sure if this has been discussed, but I read on SQ's website that the airline plans to take delivery of their 773ERs sometime this year. Has anyone heard when and what route the initial orders will be deployed on?

Probably routes like Zurich as the business market there is big and the 773ERs are expected to have new interior - aren't they?
Another route I would expect to see is AKL - replacing the current 747-400 as NZ introduces there new 777 to the route this month.
Routes like SYD and LHR will be left to the 744's untill the A380 arrives - I think.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:03 am

From what I have read, the B773ERs were originally supposed to arrive sometime in the third quarter of 2006 (sometime from june-September, I'm not too sure). Recent rumours indicate that SQ are negotiating for deferral of deliveries till maybe November-December to coincide with the arrival of the A380s. This is so as to be able to launch their new inflight product with as much "bang" as possible (ie launching the new products with the B773ERs will not have that big a PR effect as with the A380). With the backlog at Boeing as a result of the recent strikes, this might indeed be the case.

Possible B773ER routes include Auckland, Zurich, Manchester. There have also been rumours on Flyertalk that SIN-ICN-YVR will be upgraded to B773ERs, (so maybe both SIN-ICN-SFO; SIN-TPE-LAX will also get the new craft). In my mind, should they actually get the rights, SIN-MEL-LAX will be a strong candidate to be operated by B773ERs (latest rumours indicate that the Australian govt. will not grant SQ the right to operate SIN-SYD-LAX but may grant SIN-MEL/BNE-LAX in lieu)
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 2):
Routes like SYD and LHR will be left to the 744's untill the A380 arrives - I think.

I know the A380 is supposed to be coming here at least that is what the billboard the airport hints at. I'd like to fly that too. It should be a good year for firsts.
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:23 am

Thanks for all the input! There's reason behind my initial question as I'm travelling from LAX to TPE & SIN in November and was hoping to jump on one of those new birds...wishful thinking, eh? I guess they'll keep their 744s on the SIN-NRT-LAX route for as long as they can. Seems like the Asia-to-Europe sectors get the newly updated products first. You know, LAX is slowly saying goodbye to Asia's 744s...TG replacing them with A345s and NH replacing their's with 773ERs. Could JL & SQ be next? I hope.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting Soaring2hi (Reply 5):
TG replacing them with A345s

I think they scrubed that plan. They operate A340-600s to LAX now.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:13 am

SQ will deploy the B773ER to CDG, ZRH, MEL(SQ217), MNL
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 7):
SQ will deploy the B773ER to CDG, ZRH, MEL(SQ217), MNL

Interesting that both SQ217 and SQ237 won't become B773ER. Both these services are now B773, and I would have thought that product consistency would be a priority.

SQ237 provides excellent connections inbound from china/Korea/North Asia, while SQ238 ex-MEL has got the Indian market pretty well covered.
Perhaps because this is the newest service to be added, it will get the newest product last??!!
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:45 pm

I suppose CDG, AKL, MEL, ZRH etc can warrant the B 747-400.

Umm.... maybe they wanna add capacity by adding extra flights?
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:52 pm

I suspect that when SYD gets the A380, MEL will get the B744's left over from SYD.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 7):
SQ will deploy the B773ER to CDG, ZRH, MEL(SQ217), MNL

No!, why not AKL?
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:25 pm

Kaitak744, they WERE operating A346s to LAX, but have since switched to A345s to operate the nonstop from LAX to BKK...they no longer service the A346s to LAX via KIX.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:44 pm

they will probably only get them towards the end of this year then
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:12 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 7):
SQ will deploy the B773ER to CDG, ZRH, MEL(SQ217), MNL

No!, why not AKL?

Don't worry AKL will get them eventually. Maybe on both flights. I will miss the 744's though.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
I suspect that when SYD gets the A380, MEL will get the B744's left over from SYD.

Hmm, since the 773ER's arrive at the same time or before the A380's i'd think they may leave MEL as it is for now and then put on the 773ER's once they have enough. I thought they might even put the 773ER's on all 3 MEL services. I've heard ZRH and CDG will be among the first 773ER routes, CDG surprises me a little, I thought they would leave that as a 744.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:49 pm

What SQ operate SIN-HKG/ICN-SFO and SIN-NRT/TPE-LAX will depend on both the type and the frequency they operate SIN-SFO and SIN-LAX. Once SIN-SFO nonstop service starts, then SIN-HKG-SFO can be downgauged from B747-400 to B777-300ER. Likewise, if SIN-LAX goes to 2x daily, then SIN-NRT-LAX can be downgauged to B777-300ER. Also, whether SQ are operating A340-500s or B777-200LRs on the nonstops will make a difference. Until the nonstop service is upgraded, I don't expect to see any changes to the connecting services.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:34 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 14):
Hmm, since the 773ER's arrive at the same time or before the A380's i'd think they may leave MEL as it is for now and then put on the 773ER's once they have enough. I thought they might even put the 773ER's on all 3 MEL services. I've heard ZRH and CDG will be among the first 773ER routes, CDG surprises me a little, I thought they would leave that as a 744.

Given that SQ already operate 1 x B744 and 2 x B773 daily to MEL, wouldn't going to 3 x B773ER be a drop in capacity.

I would have thought SQ would go for an incremental increase to both SYD and MEL.

SYD, 3 x B744 now becomes 2 x A380 + 1 x B744
MEL, as above now, becomes 1 x A380 + 2 x B744 daily...

Obviously fuel efficiency, inflight product and cargo uplift are considerations ...
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:51 pm

New Route SIN-MUC-EWR 7/7 from winter 06/07???
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:59 pm

Airtropolis is correct in saying that SQ are looking at possibly delaying the 773's to enable the big PR event of launching the new Raffles and First products on the first A380 flight. Although if the Fatjet gets delayed further, this will not be possible.

MAN is supposed to be getting the 773ER eventually. They would like to stop the twice weekly stop in ZRH as it's costly with crews doing ZRH-MAN-ZRH only.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:14 am

INITIAL deployment is for CDG, ZRH, MEL & MNL. Eventual deployment can be AKL, SQ30 etc...MEL is for sure the new PCL & JCL product on the B773ER must go there.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
What SQ operate SIN-HKG/ICN-SFO and SIN-NRT/TPE-LAX will depend on both the type and the frequency they operate SIN-SFO and SIN-LAX. Once SIN-SFO nonstop service starts, then SIN-HKG-SFO can be downgauged from B747-400 to B777-300ER. Likewise, if SIN-LAX goes to 2x daily, then SIN-NRT-LAX can be downgauged to B777-300ER. Also, whether SQ are operating A340-500s or B777-200LRs on the nonstops will make a difference. Until the nonstop service is upgraded, I don't expect to see any changes to the connecting services.

I think in the near future, for flights between SIN and the US West Coast (LAX and SFO) I see the following happen:

1. SIN-LAX-SIN non-stop: A340-500 for now until 777-200LR's take over the route eventually.

2. SIN-TPE-LAX-TPE-SIN: 747-400 for the foreseeable future, unless big demand on the segment between LAX and TPE could make the change to A380-800.

3. SIN-ICN-SFO-ICN-SFO: 777-200ER for the foreseeable future, since the 777-300ER is too big a plane for this route.

4. SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SIN: 747-400 for now until it switches to the A380-800 some time in 2007.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20):
1. SIN-LAX-SIN non-stop: A340-500 for now until 777-200LR's take over the route eventually.

If I'm not mistaken, SQ has no 772LR, nor do they have them on order. Don't count your chickens before they are in the stew.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20):
4. SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SIN: 747-400 for now until it switches to the A380-800 some time in 2007

That was the original plan, however, there is some talk of that not happening. Mainly due to payload restrictions in the winter. However, if it does happen, it probably won't occur until 2008 at the earliest.
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:30 am

Why do they deploy it to MNL as one of the first destinations? Can anyone enlighten me?

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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting PyroGX41487 (Reply 21):
SQ has no 772LR, nor do they have them on order.

Not yet but they'll probably be ordering them within the next month and a half if the rumors are to be believed.
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting SKA380 (Reply 23):
Why do they deploy it to MNL as one of the first destinations? Can anyone enlighten me?

Route and aircraft proving? Usually don't want to send a plane too far from home while you are still working the bugs out.
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:30 am

i really hope they put it on SIN-MAN because then we'll get maybe 2 773ERs from SQ and EK and it would be nice for a little variation from the 772s and 744s!plus i may even get to fly on one for holidays!!!

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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting SKA380 (Reply 23):
Why do they deploy it to MNL as one of the first destinations? Can anyone enlighten me?

I was also wondering about that one, however it actually makes sense if according to Asianguy767, CDG/ZRH will be among the initial destinations, with the current timetable, the planes will have a lengthy layover in SIN awaiting the night flights to Europe, so regional flights around Asia, are actually quite possible, to better utilize the planes. The question I have is about capacity, given that MNL is currently operated by a B773 in the morning with 332 seats, will the B773ER be able to match, capacity wise. I really do not think that the B773ER will have more than 300 seats given the possible premium layout, would anyone have any idea?
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:25 am

How about ORD? SQ used to fly to ORD in 2001. I am wondering that ORD is coming back???
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting Flymunich (Reply 17):
New Route SIN-MUC-EWR 7/7 from winter 06/07???

MUC and on to EWR ? Expect just SIN-MUC with a 772ER if they come to MUC. LH wouldn´t like them flying to EWR as this could lower yields on their own Privatair flight.

But what are the chances for MUC ? The freighter service seemed quite successfull, they even talked about increasing frequencies, but out of the blue sky the route was dropped. Why ?
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 19):
INITIAL deployment is for CDG, ZRH, MEL & MNL. Eventual deployment can be AKL, SQ30 etc...MEL is for sure the new PCL & JCL product on the B773ER must go there.

It seems like you're in the know...

Can you tell us seat capacity on the B773ER??

Also, I'm guessing that the MEL ops will be:

SQ217/218 B773ER
Sq227/228 - B744
Sq237/238 - B773

Correct?
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:37 am

SQ237 is a seasonal B773 service during off peak it reverts to B772.

The B773ER will seat 278 in total.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20):
2. SIN-TPE-LAX-TPE-SIN: 747-400 for the foreseeable future, unless big demand on the segment between LAX and TPE could make the change to A380-800.

This route has been a 777-200/ER for the last two year or so and and don't really see them going to a A380 on that route. I think it's likely that they will put the 777-300/ER on this route.

A380 is probably likely on LAX-NRT-SIN eventually unless they put a 777-300/ER on there for a while.

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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting SKA380 (Reply 23):
Why do they deploy it to MNL as one of the first destinations? Can anyone enlighten me?

even the loads don't justify it, it allows them to operate the plane on a route where staff can get experience and esp the flight crews getting more landings/takeoffs. similar to why they run A345 to Jakarta.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 31):
SQ237 is a seasonal B773 service during off peak it reverts to B772.

Are you sure?
this may have been the case, the the B773 is listed for the rest of the winter schedule, and is also listed for the northern summer 2006 period.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 33):
even the loads don't justify it, it allows them to operate the plane on a route where staff can get experience and esp the flight crews getting more landings/takeoffs. similar to why they run A345 to Jakarta.

Since the 773ER shares a common type rating with all the other 777's SQ operates, they won't need to make currency trips like the A345. 773ER crews can stay current by flying SQ's typical route structure. The A345 sub-fleet creates special training issues.
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:58 am

The 744 will be at AKL for the foreseeable future with SQ.
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting Soaring2hi (Reply 12):
Kaitak744, they WERE operating A346s to LAX, but have since switched to A345s to operate the nonstop from LAX to BKK...they no longer service the A346s to LAX via KIX.

Really? They only ordered 4 A340-500s, and they serve JFK and another city which I forgot, but was mentioned in a thread on A.net. How can they add a 3rd nonstop city?

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20):
I think in the near future, for flights between SIN and the US West Coast (LAX and SFO) I see the following happen:

1. SIN-LAX-SIN non-stop: A340-500 for now until 777-200LR's take over the route eventually.

2. SIN-TPE-LAX-TPE-SIN: 747-400 for the foreseeable future, unless big demand on the segment between LAX and TPE could make the change to A380-800.

3. SIN-ICN-SFO-ICN-SFO: 777-200ER for the foreseeable future, since the 777-300ER is too big a plane for this route.

4. SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SIN: 747-400 for now until it switches to the A380-800 some time in 2007.

Well, you forgot the SIN-NRT-LAX-NRT-SIN flight with a 747-400.
The SIN-TPE-LAX-TPE-SIN is not longer a 747-400. It is the 777-200ER. This switch happened after their crash in 2000.

Their current route system:

SIN-LAX: A340-500
SIN-TPE-LAX: 777-200ER
SIN-NRT-LAX: 747-400
SIN-HKG-SFO: 747-400
SIN-ICN-SFO: 777-200ER

I would put my money on this setup:

SIN-LAX: 777-200LR
SIN-TPE-LAX: 777-300ER
SIN-NRT-LAX: 777-300ER
SIN-HKG-SFO: 777-300ER
SIN-ICN-SFO: 777-300ER
(maybe): SIN-SFO: 777-200LR

switching to all 777-300ER does not loose any capacity. It also goes with their plan to shed their 747-400 as quick as possible.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 37):
I would put my money on this setup:

SIN-LAX: 777-200LR
SIN-TPE-LAX: 777-300ER
SIN-NRT-LAX: 777-300ER
SIN-HKG-SFO: 777-300ER
SIN-ICN-SFO: 777-300ER
(maybe): SIN-SFO: 777-200LR

There is no chance that SQ will downgauge SQ1/2 SIN-HKG-SFO prior to the introduction of nonstop SIN-SFO service.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 37):
It also goes with their plan to shed their 747-400 as quick as possible.

Actually, SQ are planning to hold on to their remaining B747-400s for a while.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:34 pm

How about SIN-MAN-IAD !

Which has been discussed before I believe?
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:06 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 37):
SIN-LAX: 777-200LR
SIN-TPE-LAX: 777-300ER
SIN-NRT-LAX: 777-300ER
SIN-HKG-SFO: 777-300ER
SIN-ICN-SFO: 777-300ER
(maybe): SIN-SFO: 777-200LR

No way does the SIN-HKG-SFO flight downgauge to a 773ER. The current 744 is almost always booked full and with reasonably high yields. In fact every time I've been on it, its been full.

They aren't going to give up 70+ seats on this route.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting Spink (Reply 40):
No way does the SIN-HKG-SFO flight downgauge to a 773ER. The current 744 is almost always booked full and with reasonably high yields. In fact every time I've been on it, its been full.

They aren't going to give up 70+ seats on this route.

Spink, suppose SQ add a SIN-SFO nonstop operated by a 200 seat B777-200LR. Don't you think it would then make sense to downgauge SIN-HKG-SFO to B777-300ER service? I think it's better to add 130 seats to the market than to add 200 seats.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting Spink (Reply 40):
No way does the SIN-HKG-SFO flight downgauge to a 773ER. The current 744 is almost always booked full and with reasonably high yields. In fact every time I've been on it, its been full.

Well, a good part of that traffic is going on to SIN. Those "seats" can be transfered to a nonstop SIN-SFO flight or a upgraded SFO-ICN 777-300ER.

With the setup I showed you, there is no loss of seats anywhere. If certain routes have really high demand on their foreign sector (in SFO-HKG-SIN, the SFO-HKG part) then they might upgrade only that part to perhaps an A380.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 42):
If certain routes have really high demand on their foreign sector (in SFO-HKG-SIN, the SFO-HKG part) then they might upgrade only that part to perhaps an A380.

Only if the WhaleJet has the range to fly SFO-HKG in the winter with a reasonable payload, which reportedly it does not.
 
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 37):
It also goes with their plan to shed their 747-400 as quick as possible.

Hate to burst your bubble, but SQ has no intention to do what you said. The 744 pax version will be there until 2010-11.

You will not see the 777-300ER on SQ1/2 nor SQ11/12. If the 380 proves to be able to do SFO-HKG all year round with no payload penalty, you will see it there.
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting KA501 (Reply 39):
How about SIN-MAN-IAD !

That was one of the offering on the CAA's regional 5th freedom investigations. They were offered 5th freedom services on the MAN-JFK service years ago but declined to do so as they want to operate LHR-JFK. I doubt they'll do anything transatlantically ex-MAN. Let's just be hopeful for daily non-stop SIN services!

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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:35 am

PhilSquares,
are you able to answer my question why freight services SIN-MUC were discontinued ?
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 46):
are you able to answer my question why freight services SIN-MUC were discontinued ?

The link up with LH....the WOW partnership.
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 47):
The link up with LH....the WOW partnership.

I don´t quite understand what you mean, was SQ part of it and why was that bad ?
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RE: SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 48):
I don´t quite understand what you mean, was SQ part of it and why was that bad ?

SQ, JA and LH have formed a cargo partnership. Bascially, LH does all the cargo to and from Germany. SQ operates one frequency/week out of FRA.

It is very similar to a code share. So, the decision was made to pull out of MUC and let LH get the freight to FRA and then onwards from there.
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