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US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:20 pm

Does anybody have any more information on where and what actually happened in this incident?
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:34 pm

Lightning Storm Creates Problems
for International Travelers

Two days ago, 3 Airbus A-330 aircraft were damaged due to lightning strikes in the Philadelphia area. Some of these aircraft had over 100 lightning strikes. With these aircraft taken out of service for repair, US Airways has had to use the smaller Boeing 767 aircraft for some of its international routes.
Because the Boeing 767 is smaller than the A-330, many international passenger have had to wait a day or two for a flight home. Yesterday in Orlando, almost $16,000 in compensation was given to 80 inconvenience passengers due to the lightning damaging the A-330 aircraft.


**This is part of the problem this is all I know about it!!!
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:40 pm

Couldn't tell you about the 330's. It's just unfortunate that this time of year, airlines dont have any "extra" aircraft to fill voids is something DOES happen and it filters all they way down. This is a shame. If US knew there would be bad weather in PHL they should have moved the planes somewhere safer.
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:50 pm

I am quite sure that a thunderstorm, in the beginning of January when it is supposed to be snowing, was what they were expecting to occur. Then again where else are they going to send these A330's. All of the connecting traffic is in PHL for these flights. Although I would like to see a shift of more international flying out of CLT even PIT. (that's just some wishful thinking.) IMHO
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:56 pm

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 3):
If US knew there would be bad weather in PHL they should have moved the planes somewhere safer.

You're joking, right?

If USAirways pilots and dispatchers could predict the absolute certainty of lightning before the aircraft was to be arriving at its destination, they wouldn't be flying/dispatching flights--they'd be out buying winning lottery tickets...
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:06 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
If USAirways pilots and dispatchers could predict the absolute certainty of lightning before the aircraft was to be arriving at its destination, they wouldn't be flying/dispatching flights--they'd be out buying winning lottery tickets...

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Ok Ok You got me there, All im saying is that if there was a possibility of bad weather, they could have moved the planes. Like AA did during the hurricanes in Florida.
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:11 pm

Google News, and Google itself, have no mention of this story. Neither does usairways.com, americawest.com, or any Orlando area newspaper I can find.

Where, exactly, is your snippet of information from?

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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:24 pm

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 6):
Ok Ok You got me there, All im saying is that if there was a possibility of bad weather, they could have moved the planes. Like AA did during the hurricanes in Florida.

There is a big difference between a thunderstorm and hurricane! The airline industry would be at a stand still if planes were constantly moved to avoid any type of bad weather!  Smile
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 6):
Ok Ok You got me there, All im saying is that if there was a possibility of bad weather, they could have moved the planes. Like AA did during the hurricanes in Florida.

With all due respect, you don't evacuate aircraft for thunderstorms in the same way you do for hurricanes and tropical storms...

If PHL is forecasting CLR TEMPO 1/2SM TSRA at your flight's ETA, should you launch the flight?

Of course you would. If there's actually a thunderstorm overhead of the airport when you get there (which may, or may not have alot of "bad" lightning) you hold until the cell moves, and if not, you divert.

If we (the airlines) don't launch because of the mere "possibility" of bad weather, nobody would fly because the unreliability of the service.
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:26 pm

This information came from www.justplanenews.com with no additional link however in sabre the aircraft have been downgraded.
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:57 pm

US does have the extra A330 that does the PHL-SJU run that can easily be downgraded to a 752 for a short time.

But this still baffles me. I live probably 15 miles east of PHL in South Jersey and while we did see some heavy rains i don't recall hearing the slightest sound of the thunder or sight of lightning
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:27 am

If PHL was anything like DC two nights ago (and usually Philly weather is DC weather delayed an hour and a half minus 5-10 degrees) there were big thunderstorms with lots of lightning around 2am.
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting Fishe388 (Reply 2):
Some of these aircraft had over 100 lightning strikes

I find this very doubtful, a single aircraft getting struck over 100 times in one storm!!!
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 16):
I find this very doubtful, a single aircraft getting struck over 100 times in one storm!!!

There was a lot of lightning in that storm, 330s are pretty big targets, and airports. being mostly open fields, have relatively few attractive targets for lightning to strike.

How tall is a 330 tail? I bet it acts a lot like a lightning rod. If so, 100 times may be unfortunate, but not unreasonable.
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:26 am

OK, guys, the strikes are actually static discharges that occur in flight, not on the ground. It happens often, of course most often in the summer. GOOD GRIEF!!
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 3):
US knew there would be bad weather in PHL they should have moved the planes somewhere safer.

This has got to be the stupidest comment ever. A hurricane is a lot different than a thunderstorm. No-one can predict where lightning is going to strike, they are not going to move aircraft out of PHL to PIT or CLT based on the probability that 1 aircraft might get hit.
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:24 am

How long will this take to fix.

Does US have sufficient excess capacity.
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:43 am

Seems to have been a static discharge accoriding to this post from a US FA (halfway down the page or there abouts).

As well, weather history for PHL around Dec 30-31 shows no TSRA activity in the area, nor any SPECIs being issues for same, so that would apparently put the 'lightning strike' theory to rest.

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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 10):
I live probably 15 miles east of PHL in South Jersey and while we did see some heavy rains i don't recall hearing the slightest sound of the thunder or sight of lightning

I live within 10 minutes of PHL and never heard anything of this in the morning news or newspapers (something like this definitiely would've made headlines for sure). As far as hearing thunder is concerned; the only rumbling I heard was either late afternoon/early evening on Monday Jan. 2 (at home). I didn't see any lightning though.
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 5):
Ok Ok You got me there, All im saying is that if there was a possibility of bad weather, they could have moved the planes. Like AA did during the hurricanes in Florida.

If that was the case, a plane would almost never be in the state of Florida, the stormiest location in the US, and one of the stormiest on Earth.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 12):
I find this very doubtful, a single aircraft getting struck over 100 times in one storm!!!

Individual strikes, wouldn't happen. Only the most severe storm cells have that kind of lightning output (100 x 3 a/c), not a storm this far north, this time of year... and that would be the total strikes from that cell... they all wouldn't be targetting 3 aircraft.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
As far as hearing thunder is concerned; the only rumbling I heard was either late afternoon/early evening on Monday Jan. 2 (at home). I didn't see any lightning though.

There were some embedded storms with the rains on Monday. So the idea of a lightning strike is very feasible, especially if the plane was approaching from the S. 100 direct strikes, not happening... 100 impacts from static discharges, possible.

One more thing as a pointer PHLBOS: If you heard thunder, there most certainly was lightning, somewhere. Thunder is a direct byproduct of lightning, and can't occur without it. It might just have been far enough off, and aloft, so that you couldn't visibly detect it... especially if it was during daylight hours as you seem to lead us to believe.
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:30 am

Only been hit a few times since I started flying. Worst damage was three pinoles in three places. I suppose it's thoeretically possible it could be 100 pinholes from one or two strikes? One airplane taking 100 separate strikes sounds nigh impossible. An A330 tail isn't even close to being one of the tallest structures on the airport in PHL.
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:44 am

hi everyone, the A330 or any modern planes aren't made to resist of lightnings? each differents parts of the plane are "normaly" connect together to let electrical current going out.. no?
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 20):
An A330 tail isn't even close to being one of the tallest structures on the airport in PHL.

I stand corrected.
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:15 am

I live 10 minutes from PHL and heard 1 or 2 strikes at the most. As an avid weather nut in addition to an airliner nut, I can assure all of you there was NO SEVERE TSTM ACTIVITY ANYWHERE NEAR PHL. This 100 strike story is bogus.
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 20):
An A330 tail isn't even close to being one of the tallest structures on the airport in PHL.

For those not familiar w/PHL, three of the tallest structures there are the Marriott Hotel and the A-B & F (not pictured) Ground Traffic Control Towers.

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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:33 am

THis has been so far a really strange winter, weather wise, for the USA so far. Where I live we have had 3 cold fronts come through and each one produced severe weather unlike anything we have seen in about 30 years or so. We don't get this bad of weather when a hurricane rolls though. Monday we had 6 or 7 tornados (F1-F2) touch down in a three county area. That has never happened in January since records have been kept.

Is it global warming, or just a normal oscillation?
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting BlazingCessna (Reply 25):
Is it global warming, or just a normal oscillation?

Before you go make your Tin-foil cap, and start stocking up on non-perishables, rest assured it's not "global warming." If it was, you wouldn't be getting such strong cold fronts all the way down to Florida... for starters... along with about 500 other things.

Quoting Braniff1960 (Reply 23):


I live 10 minutes from PHL and heard 1 or 2 strikes at the most. As an avid weather nut in addition to an airliner nut, I can assure all of you there was NO SEVERE TSTM ACTIVITY ANYWHERE NEAR PHL. This 100 strike story is bogus.

Agreed, and basically what I already said. A few strikes yes, but severe weather and all that, hell no. There's a difference though between actual strikes and little static discharge points across a mass like an airframe.
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:48 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 26):

I just got the visual. LMAO
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 27):

I just got the visual

Of the tin-foil cap? lol
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:15 am

Besides the weather is there any substantial proof that these planes are/were out of service due to physical damage?
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:03 am

oh man, good thing this wasn't a 787 or it would have been a w/o...right kessje?
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:55 pm

It is true that some of our A330's are still in maintenance. Don't exactly know the reason since I was down in PBI on vacation. I know LGW is still a 767 as of right now. I caught a ride home on the first of the last two 767 flights of the night from CLT-PHL on Monday night. Horrible weather all the way up the coast even when I flew PBI-CLT. Visibility was about 800 feet. I got in around 10:15, about an hour late and was surprised to see that the plane was making up flight 42 to AMS. That flight ended up going out almost 3 1/2 hours late.
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:16 pm

Hello all, I've been checking out a.net for a long time and have finally decided to join the cult. This is my first post, so please keep the flaming to a minimum on the new guy.

Perhaps I can shed some light on this thread based upon my own experiences. I have been struck many times, while flying transport category airplanes, in my career. Allow my to digress a bit.

1. It is possible to be struck while penetrating a line of heavy convective activity, but usually this does not occur because we try really hard to stay out of the really heavy convection.

2. The majority of the times that I have been struck (have backed this up with many colleagues who would agree) I was not actually in or even near Level 4 or greater precipitation. I was actually in Level 2 or 3 with inflight visibility around 5 miles in relatively smooth air. These occurrences have all occurred in the terminal area generally deviating around cells anywhere from 5,000' to 15,000'.

3. Static electricity is a very funny and unpredictable thing. The hardest of the strikes that I have had (struck the fuselage just below my window) the aircraft dissipated the shock perfectly as there was no damage. Other times less intense strikes have made large holes in parts of the airplane. At my former carrier we even had an airplane get struck several times on perfectly clear days. It seems that this airplane had a grounding problem and the static electricity built up solely by the airframe put quite a few holes down the top of the fuselage.

4. Airbus' generate a large amount of static electricity on by themselves. Not sure why, they just do and they have a lot of composite pieces. Composites while tested and approved for lightning strikes, are not invincible to a lightning strike. We had an A319 loose 3/4 of it's rudder to a lightning strike a little over a year ago while deviating around weather.

5. Aircraft operating in a similar environment are prone to being struck one right after another. The time that I was struck below the cockpit window, the 2 aircraft who followed me through that area of weather were also struck.

So, I'm getting long winded here. Point is, these A330s more than likely were struck in (point 2) moderate precipitation while deviating (point 3) in the terminal area of PHL and arrived around the same time after flying roughly through the same area (point 5) and not struck while sitting on the ground as some have suggested.

Respectfully submitted,
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:32 pm

As an engineer who's had to deal with my share of lightning strike repairs, I can tell you 100 strikes is not unheard of. However, when maintenance and engineering refer to a "strike", we are referring to a single burned point on the fuselage. These "strikes" tend to be at fasteners and flight surface tips. So, one static discharge event can result in multiple strikes.

As for these planes, one was dispatched the next day with repairs per the SRM, another was released on Wed after significant downtime and repairs, and the other is still in work.
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:36 pm

Quoting 727forever (Reply 32):
Respectfully submitted,
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Thank you for a well thought out and insightful post and welcome....

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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:37 pm

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 33):
So, one static discharge event can result in multiple strikes.

Thank you.
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:02 am

Thanx for the info guys!
 
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 16):
How long will this take to fix.

Mx will carry out a Lightning check Inspection.which will illustrate the steps to be taken.
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RE: US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes

Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 26):
Before you go make your Tin-foil cap, and start stocking up on non-perishables, rest assured it's not "global warming." If it was, you wouldn't be getting such strong cold fronts all the way down to Florida... for starters... along with about 500 other things.

Nearly every scientist agrees that global warming is occuring, it is well documented. The question is: Is the warming caused by human development and pollution, or is it the result of earth's global climate oscillations. That is what is still up for debate.

Personally I think its a little of both.