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Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:30 pm

Does any one know if the A380 is going to fly two New Zealand for a tour, or will any airlines operate the A380 in and out of New Zealand.
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:49 pm

Emirates has said that it will fly the A380 to AKL from Dubai via Melbourne. I do not know about Christchurch but I assume that it will go there to because the A380 will replace the current A345 direct service to SYD which continues to CHC.

The only other airline I could see flying the 380 here is Qantas.

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:55 pm

Yes, EK have confirmed A380 services to AKL. Maybe QF could do some AKL-LAX flights
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:00 pm

I was under the impression that CHC isn't ready for the A380 in terms of runway width for its wingspan
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:06 pm

Quoting Kiwi Dave (Reply 3):
I was under the impression that CHC isn't ready for the A380 in terms of runway width for its wingspan

IF CHC was not ready then possibly what could happen is that both direct flights from DXB to MEL and SYD will continue to AKL meaning 2 A380's at AKL each day!, and then extending the 773ER service DXB-BKK-SYD onto CHC.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:16 pm

AKL need to extend their viewing platform because anyone wanting to see the A380 won't be able to do so from the terminal as they have built the extra floor of pier segregation so no one is able to see the new pier. This could mean annoyed visitors. AIAL will need to hurry up and build more A380-sized gates.

Oh, and BTW, does Thai's A346 pose parking problems at AKL?
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:18 pm

I think CHC is capable of taking of taking the A380, runway wise. Its just the taxiways need a little widening, I think. I agree as above, EK is definite, and I think QF will eventually fly the A380 AKL-LAX. I doubt it will be seen in CHC for a very long time.

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
I doubt it will be seen in CHC for a very long time.

Unless a diversion from AKL thou
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:22 pm

Yea thank for the info but I think that CHC does have a long enough but then again i'm not sure if its wide enough
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
I think QF will eventually fly the A380 AKL-LAX

If they do I do not think it will be for a while. QF will need to put the 380 on routes from Australia to the U.S.A where their 744's are currently restricted. They then will need to put them on services to europe via asia to offer a more competitive product against EK, SQ e.t.c. They are only getting 12 aren't they? AKL-LAX can easily be done by a 744 can't it?

If QF were to fly 380's to AKL I would expect it to be a quick trans tasman sector from SYD/BNE or MEL

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:58 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 9):
If QF were to fly 380's to AKL I would expect it to be a quick trans tasman sector from SYD/BNE or MEL

Well thats how QF currently does all their AKL services.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:12 pm

I saw the Thai 346 at AKL parked at gate 6 the other day. There SEEMED to be no problem, but I read in the paper that the 346 was a struggle to park when airlines brought it in to AKL
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:51 pm

I was under the impression that a lot of airports still don't have taxiways wide enough (see photos of the A380 in SYD, or so I thought). Anyone here work at CHC and know of any planned construction?

I am a passenger on EK412 quite regularly and as much as I would like the A380 to fly the current route, would it be financially viable? considering on the 30th Dec 05 I think there were only about 60 odd pax in economy SYD - CHC (the FA's told me but I forget these things). Other threads talking about the EK express option (idea/rumour/...) question how much cargo the A388 can carry. If these are all correct perhaps they won't take the A380 to CHC?? Also if this is the case I would have thought we will only see 1 EK 388 in AKL (but then again I haven't flown an AKL flight recently so don't know how the loadings are).

Just my thoughts.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:17 am

I can't see the A380 flying to CHC on a regular basis but I am willing to be proven wrong
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:31 am

I read somewhere that AKL only has one parking bay for the A380 - and that is a remote stand.
From what I read of the article, it made out that only bay was needed at the most.
I really think they need to have atleast 2 of these, for example when EK fly in a daily A380, and there happens to be a diverted QF flight, or one that gets delayed.
Does anyone know if this has changed? Having one A380-sized bay doesn not seem sufficient.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:38 am

Would SQ fly one to AKL in the future?

Eg. Scrap the 744 and 772 flights and just have 1x 388 instead of 2 pretty much 2 daily flights?
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 15):
Would SQ fly one to AKL in the future?

Eg. Scrap the 744 and 772 flights and just have 1x 388 instead of 2 pretty much 2 daily flights?

I hope not ... the two flights operate at very different times and allow very different connections over SIN - consolidating into one would reduce the choice of SQ destinations available without having to stopover in SIN .
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:54 am

I'm not sure but I read in a magazine that Emirates has 3 daily flight in and out of AKL, and what will AKL do if they end up having all there flights operated by the A380, plus maybe a QF A380 and also a SQ one.
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:07 am

I thought the long-term plan for SQ was twice daily into AKL with 773s.

An A380 on the Mel-AKL sector will be overkill in the extreme. I fly this route about three times a year on either EK or NZ and the EK loads are usually very light. I understand the freight element of it, but surely there is a point where even the cargo doesn't cover costs.

And from what I'm hearing, the A380 is more of a package freighter rather than a heavy duty bulk freighter, the latter being what most of NZ's exports are, no?
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
Oh, and BTW, does Thai's A346 pose parking problems at AKL?

Yes it does. It can only be docked at gate 6 currently.

EK won't put 3 A380s a day into AKL until they have a decent fleet of them established - I would extremely doubt BNE or MEL flights would get them any time soon, if ever. QF will just stick with the 744 through AKL too, their LAX flight while always having a very good load would never warrant the extra J/F capacity compared to some of their other routes.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 15):
Eg. Scrap the 744 and 772 flights and just have 1x 388 instead of 2 pretty much 2 daily flights?

For SQ I think we can safely say that AKL is not a priority for them (regarding
A380s) and we are extremely unlikely to see them in the next 4-5 years except maybe for the odd seasonal capacity increase. Frequency is definitely favoured rather than capacity for SQ for AKL - partly because of profit and partly because airlines here know that AKL International Terminal really can't handle it which creates problems for everyone.
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:42 pm

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 19):
I would extremely doubt BNE or MEL flights would get them any time soon, if ever

We all know that BNE will not get the 380 untill at least some sort of 345 or 346 non-stop service has been established.
MEL however, I would say that MEL would get the 380. Melbourne was the first destination in Australia for Emirates and it was pushed up to twice daily before Sydney ever was.
Emirates has said that it intends to fly the 380 into AKL. So does that mean that the current DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL route will be the 380 route? I highly doubt so as the new A380's will have to compete with SQ and QF's A380's on the 'kangaroo route,' meaning the most direct possible way to europe.

Both SYD and MEL will get A380's and probably from the beginning as EK said Australia will be amongst the first destinations to get the new aircraft.

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 19):
QF will just stick with the 744 through AKL too

They will sitck with the B744 on the AKL-LAX route because the 744 can do it without restrictions un-like SYD and MEL-LAX, but I think that there is a possibility that we will see some maybe on trans-tasman routes to get crew used to the new aircrafts - similar to what SQ does with the 345 to Jakarta and NZ with their 777's flying between NZ and Oz.

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting Airnz777pilot (Reply 17):
I'm not sure but I read in a magazine that Emirates has 3 daily flight in and out of AKL

Yes, EK have three daily AKL flights.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:43 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
MEL however, I would say that MEL would get the 380. Melbourne was the first destination in Australia for Emirates and it was pushed up to twice daily before Sydney ever was.

It will go to Australia - That has been established, what I meant is that I woul dbe surprised if the continuing flights transtasman won't be with the aircraft.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
Emirates has said that it intends to fly the 380 into AKL.

They also didn't name the specific route. I think maybe that EK has a new route they could well operate in lieu of one or other of the trans tasman routes. I'm thinking direct competition with one or other of the Asian competitors.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
I think that there is a possibility that we will see some maybe on trans-tasman routes to get crew used to the new aircrafts - similar to what SQ does with the 345 to Jakarta and NZ with their 777's flying between NZ and Oz.

Possibly, but looking at our existing flights into AKL I'm not sure they will unless they reschedule some of them. And one thing QF have in their favour above any other airline trans tasman are their timings for the business travellers. Take today's schedule for example.

0:55 QF39 FR MEL 763 6:00 QF34 TO MEL 763
3:00 QF7623 FR SYD 763 9:00 QF164 TO SYD 763
5:05 QF53 FR ADL 738 6:15 QF54 TO ADL 738
23:50 -1QF49 FR SYD 763 6:30 QF40 TO SYD 763
6:05 QF26 FR LAX 744 7:45 QF26 TO BNE 744
12:25 QF163 FR SYD 763 13:50 QF190 TO SYD 763
14:20 QF119 FR SYD 763 15:50 QF120 TO SYD 763
14:45 QF33 FR MEL 763 16:15 QF134 TO MEL 763
18:00 QF25 FR BNE 744 19:40 QF25 TO LAX 744
23:50 QF49 FR SYD 763

They seem to be at the wrong time of day either for SYD/MEL or AKL to be extensions of the longer haul flights as the SQ/NZ flights are. I also feel that a jump from a 763 to a 380 is unlikely too. They aren't going to be able to turn around an A380 in a 90minute slot (especially at AKL) that's for sure. QF have enough trouble with their 763s at times.
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
Yes, EK have three daily AKL flights.

Soon to be 4 per day, as I was told by an EK engineer recently.

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 23):
Soon to be 4 per day,

So either PER or ADL flights or another flight from the current three
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:09 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 24):
So either PER or ADL flights or another flight from the current three

Could be double daily from MEL - extending the current DXB-SIN-MEL service onto AKL? I'm putting my money on ADL though.

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 22):
It will go to Australia - That has been established, what I meant is that I woul dbe surprised if the continuing flights transtasman won't be with the aircraft.

I don't understand what you are saying. In reply 19 you said that you didn't think EK would fly the A380 into BNE or MEL for a long time yet, if ever. Now you're saying that you would be surprised if the trans-tasman routes were not flown with 'the aircraft,' of which I am assuming you mean the A380 - correct me if I am wrong.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:39 pm

Do Emirates still plan on a hub in AKL?

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 25):
I'm putting my money on ADL though.

I'm surprised you're not putting anything on Asia. NZ needs some competition on the AKL-PER flight. If MEL goes double daily, one MUST stay as an A340 or 777, surely.
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:43 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
Do Emirates still plan on a hub in AKL?

EK has said that no they are not and that it was never their intention to do so.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
I'm surprised you're not putting anything on Asia

I think New Zealand will only ever be an add on from Australia for EK.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:19 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 25):
I don't understand what you are saying. In reply 19 you said that you didn't think EK would fly the A380 into BNE or MEL for a long time yet, if ever. Now you're saying that you would be surprised if the trans-tasman routes were not flown with 'the aircraft,' of which I am assuming you mean the A380 - correct me if I am wrong.

In the first post I was meaning I didn't think that the EK A380 would make an appearance on the trans tasman run, I wasn't meaning EK won't fly to Australia with them. Let me clear up any ambiguity in my previous posts by stating that I don't think EK will operate the A380 to Auckland via Australia. Sorry I wasn't clear first (or second) time.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
I'm surprised you're not putting anything on Asia.

That's my bet. The Australian market with the exception of PER is sewn up. ADL doesn't have really have anything to offer more than QF/NZ between there and AKL - Cargo is not big there, and neither are passenger loadings. Hence the 738/320. Competition direct to asia would make sense because they are frequently the flights that are filled to capacity with pax and cargo. That is on all airlines. My favourites for a new service are either SIN or HKG - however I don't really want EK to operate the route - as it wouldn't be good for NZs profits, and therefore me.
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:54 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 27):
I think New Zealand will only ever be an add on from Australia for EK.

I agree. AKL and CHC (from what I heard) were opened as the aircraft flying to the east coast of Australia were sat on the ground there for upwards of 10 hours. Made more sense to load up a few passengers and cargo and shuttle them off to NZ with the same crew taking it out and returning the same day.

For EK to expand on an existing asia route is it likely they would need extra a/c? Not that they will have a shortage of a/c over the next 10 years or so...

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 23):
Soon to be 4 per day, as I was told by an EK engineer recently.

Bugger me! How much cargo do they have??
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:10 pm

It's not entirely implausible that NZ won't order 6 A380's in the not too distant future for the daily AKL-LAX-LHR-HKG-AKL (and return) run! Then the 772's can stay on as the second daily flight to LAX.

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:52 am

is Air NZ really looking into the a380???
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting ZKNEA (Reply 29):
I agree. AKL and CHC (from what I heard) were opened as the aircraft flying to the east coast of Australia were sat on the ground there for upwards of 10 hours. Made more sense to load up a few passengers and cargo and shuttle them off to NZ with the same crew taking it out and returning the same day.

Exactly this has already been said by the President of Emirates, Tim Clark in the December 2004 edition of Australian Aviation.
He said, "We are keen on New Zealand but naturally it will only ever be an add on from Australia." He also said that in five years time ; "Unless the frequency changes, ultimatley the aircraft size will change so that we have A380s going to Sydney and Melbourne which is the only way we can deal with the growing market.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
Do Emirates still plan on a hub in AKL?

Another quote from the interview ; "Those stories put out by Air New Zealand earlier in the year regarding us planning a massive Auckland hub were something that took us of surprise as it was the first we had heard of it."
- So in other words ; No
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 9):
QF will need to put the 380 on routes from Australia to the U.S.A where their 744's are currently restricted.

What makes you believe that the A380 won't be restricted LAX-MEL? QF ( and SQ) have already admitted as much by reducing the number of passengers from 550 to about 470 plus or minus.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting Airnz777pilot (Reply 31):
is Air NZ really looking into the a380???

No we are not. Too big for our current and future network needs.

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 19):
An A380 on the Mel-AKL sector will be overkill in the extreme. I fly this route about three times a year on either EK or NZ and the EK loads are usually very light.

I have been flying Emirates Mel-AKL many times a year for the past few years, and the last six months every flight has been well over 90% full. Many flights are now booked out well in advance. There is a good reason for this: Emirates by miles is the finest service across the Tasman. In fact, it has been 20 years or more since QANTAS and AirNZ was near the quality of this outstanding airline. It is also Emirates that at last blew apart the AirNZ-QANTAS pricing system that effectively was more than double the basic economy airfare unless you booked weeks in advance. The very real alternative (in both service and pricing) that Emirates has supplied to trans-Tasman travel has benefitted everyone, whichever airline they choose. The long overdue competition has been good for the travelling public. I can well imagine Emirates giving the locals another wake-up call when they bring in the big jets.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 33):
What makes you believe that the A380 won't be restricted LAX-MEL?

If you look at my post that you are quoting (reply 9) you will see that I never said that the A380 was never going to be restricted, I said, "where their 744's are currently restricted." What I meant is that their 744's are restricted and that the 380 would mean that QF could operate the route with less restrictions than the 744. The 380 wourld not go on routes like AKL-LAX where the 744's can do this route without restrictions unlike SYD-LAX.

From Qantas website - http://www.qantas.com.au/info/about/company/fleetDevelopments ; "The A380 will enable Qantas to carry more people, further, than ever before. Plus, its technical capabilities will deliver real operational efficiencies and significant improvements in terms of environmental performance."
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:11 pm

Quoting Antskip (Reply 35):
Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 19):
An A380 on the Mel-AKL sector will be overkill in the extreme. I fly this route about three times a year on either EK or NZ and the EK loads are usually very light.

I didn't say that - think you may have been meaning to quote aerokiwi.
Working around the airport I know exactly the kind of loads EK are getting and they are pretty reasonable as you say, although definitely seasonally varied.
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:30 pm

A bit off topic. When are the ATR fleet scheduled or pprojected to be replaced?
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:41 pm

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 37):
AerorobNZ

Sorry, mate. It was my first post to the forum. I was of course replying to "aerokiwi". The recent change of planes used on the Mel-AKL sector from B777-300's (sometimes 200's) to A340-500's would be probably also improve loading, as they are somewhat smaller. It is a big leap to the A380 from the A340-500, but I don't know how many bookings Emirates lose out on by having such a small plane available, just once a day. I imagine they will also offer cut prices from where they are now (already good) with the introduction of the A380. AirNZ and QANTAS can always match their competition's price changes quickly, but changing what they offer on board is not so easy. Though my recent flights with Emirates have been basically without any empty seats (in economy), the in-flight service was not affected. Emirates seems to figure that a well-fed and entertained passenger is a happy one, everything else being equal. Their economy meals and their newer personal entertainment system (ICE) are both exceptional. I am travelling Mel-AKL on AirNZ and back Emirates at the end of this month, so I should be able to get another comparative check soon.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:01 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 38):
When are the ATR fleet scheduled or pprojected to be replaced?

Not for a while yet I'd say.

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:25 pm

Aside from an unexpected upgrade to business on a CHC-MEL sector an an A345, I've yet to experience this supposed amazing standard that Emirates is supposed to deliver. Most of my flights on them you only see the cabin crew once - mealtime. Then they disappear down the back somewhere.

Each time I go down to demand we be given a tray of water or juice, I usually pass an almost totally empty rear economy cabin. Admittedly my last flight with Emirates was in August (Winter), but clearly they can't fill the planes they have with pax year round.

Can't wait to enjoy this supposedly "amazing" service. So far, so ordinary.

PS. Do u work for Emirates Antskip? You sound like quite the supporter.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:12 pm

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 41):
Can't wait to enjoy this supposedly "amazing" service. So far, so ordinary.

PS. Do u work for Emirates Antskip? You sound like quite the supporter.

No, I don't work for Emirates. though their crew seem a pretty happy lot. I am very happy to report my positive experiences! I have been suffering for years the excessive prices and reducing quality by the still overwhelmingly dominant ANZAC twins on the Tasman run. Only now, with Emirates, are they having to compete on a stretch of ocean they think somehow is their's.

It is interesting how different reports are from the "same" experience! I have travelled on Emirates 40 times or so the past few years and loved their product every time. I have travelled the Tasman route in AirNZ, QANTAS (United used to be a good option too) as many times also over the years. Every one of my friends who have travelled with Emirates have also liked what they find, compared to the locally based airlines. The Tasman trip is a short one, though, so there is little else but to eat a meal, watch a movie or a few tv shows, then the plane lands. I don't mind the crew disappearing once the food, wine and coffee are served up. Then I like to be left with the 600 or so channels provided. When I've needed the crew at other times (like asking for a panodol, or another coffee), they have generally been pretty quick to respond to the bell. Despite my comments, I wouldn't call myself "loyal" to any airline any more than to any company. Just as for buying computers, cars and cameras, every thing else being equal, I will always go for the local product. But, for me at least, that is not the case here.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:28 pm

According to an air NZ ATR pilot air new Zealand is looking at buying some of the more modern ATR's. but i'm not sure.
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:04 pm

Thats what his son was telling me.
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 34):
Quoting Airnz777pilot (Reply 31):is Air NZ really looking into the a380???

No we are not. Too big for our current and future network needs.

NZ1

There was a time when that was said about the 747.

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 45):
There was a time when that was said about the 747.

Thats true. I remember that. But seriously, where would we operate the A380 to? At the best you could buy 3 and do the AKL-LHR-AKL route with it I suppose.

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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:22 am

I could see the A388/389 doin AKl-LAX. But if AKL-LHR goes 2x daily with 744/748, then would there really be a need for the 380 on that route? I'd say 2 or 3 max if NZ buys them at all!
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:42 pm

Quoting Airnz777pilot (Reply 43):
According to an air NZ ATR pilot air new Zealand is looking at buying some of the more modern ATR's. but i'm not sure.

A fleet review is planned for the ATR's in the near future. More ATR's are just one of the options that will be looked at.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:50 pm

Quoting Airnz777pilot (Reply 43):
According to an air NZ ATR pilot air new Zealand is looking at buying some of the more modern ATR's

Isn't the current ATRs NZ operates the most advanced ATRs?

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 48):
A fleet review is planned for the ATR's in the near future.

Thats where the Q400 options come in also

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