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Boeing: 1002 Net Orders For 2005

Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:01 pm

It's official, Boeing has 1002 net orders for 2005.

1029 gross orders
27 cancellations.

Fantastic job, Boeing  bigthumbsup 

What a year for aviation.

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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting Tifoso (Thread starter):
It's official, Boeing has 1002 net orders for 2005.

1029 gross orders

WOW. What an outstanding achievement. Congratulations to Boeing. They have deserved it.

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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:06 pm

For the 787:

Air India firmed up 27
Continental added 2 more
Lcal confirmed their order of 14
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:06 pm

"WOW!" is an understatement. That's wonderfully tremendous. Boeing does kinda deserve this I think...and not because of my patriotism. Don't mean to bring them into the mix but I have to...I wonder what Airbus's offical order tally is for 2005? I know they received a boatload of orders for the A320 alone. It seems as though Boeing can officially be declared as #1 for new orders in 2005 but I say that loosely. Congrat Boeing!
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:09 pm

Holy orders book, batman! 1002 is a record I hope they break every year going forward. Well done indeed.

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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:10 pm

Its gonna take a looooooooooong time to clear the backlog!
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:13 pm

Breaking the magic number 1000 is a nice additional bonus to this achievement.

Boeing list the gross orders for the 777 at 153 and the net orders at 154.
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
See what happens when you offer a superior product at a better price? razz

Didn't need to add that comment.
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
See what happens when you offer a superior product at a better price?

LOL

It happens that it's a record year for Airbus and Boeing !
 
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:23 pm

Including 447 net widebodies. That's huge.

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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:31 pm

It's was a great year for Boeing, no doubt!!! The interesting thing about the orders, is that BOEING didn't need the Qantas order to pass the 1000 mark, as you can all see, they don't list Qantas, because it probably wasn't signed...

So that means that we can already say that Boeing starts strong on this new year, with 65+ orders for their 787 from Qantas... that alone is a great start!!!

Congratulations to Boeing... great company and great products!

PS: I also do congratulate Airbus, it was a record year for them too!! They lost the title of most orders for this past year, will the loose the title of biggest manufacturer (production and deliveries) in the coming years? We'll have to see when and if that happens.... until then, we have 2 winners for this past year, Boeing and Airbus records years, with Boeing in the lead of order and Airbus still ahead in deliveries.... Can't wait till this year ends and see who ends up on top!
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:38 pm

1002 is a very large number indeed.

Now Boeing needs to deliver product on-time and equal to, or better than, projected performance.

The whole composite program is a high risk proposition. At least now Boeing has verified that there is a reward for taking such risks. This can only lead to good things for aviation and the traveling public in the form of lower costs, prices, and higher quality.

Lets not forget that Airbus has also had a fantastic year with the first flight of the A380, and significant orders for the A350. But right now, Boeing has momentum, and that can be a powerful force - until the pendulum starts to swing the other direction.
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:40 pm

Press Release Source: Boeing Co.

Thursday January 5, 9:00 am ET
-- 1,002 net orders (1,029 gross) surpasses 877 net orders reached in
1988
-- Record order totals posted for 737, 777 and 787 programs
-- New program launches are also key 2005 highlights


SEATTLE, Jan. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing Company (NYSE:
BA - News) recorded 1,002 net commercial airplane orders during 2005,
setting a new Boeing record for total orders in a single year.

The 2005 total surpasses the previous Boeing record of 877 net orders
in 1988, which includes both Boeing and then-McDonnell Douglas
totals; the companies merged in 1997. Boeing posted 272 net orders
for commercial airplanes in 2004. Gross orders in 2005, which exclude
cancellations and conversions, totaled 1,029.

Three airplane programs -- the 737, 777 and 787 programs -- also
achieved individual records with net orders of 569 for 737s, 154 for
777s and 235 for 787s. Previous record totals for these programs were
438 737s in 1996, 116 777s in 2000, and 56 787s in 2004. The 747 and
767 programs also had a very successful sales year with 43 and 15 net
new orders, respectively.

Boeing has posted its year-end orders information on its Orders and
Deliveries Web site
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm .

Orders finalized since the Dec 20, 2005, update include 68 737, 777
and 787 airplanes for Air India, 20 737s for China Southern Airlines,
10 737s for dba (formerly Deutsche BA), 6 737s for Hainan Airlines, 5
737s for Shanghai Airlines, 4 737s for China Eastern Airlines, 5 737s
for Shenzhen Airlines, 4 737s for WestJet, 2 737s for Turkmenistan
Airlines, 8 787s for Lcal and 2 787s for Continental Airlines.

In total, more than 72 different customers ordered Boeing airplanes
in 2005, including passenger airlines, cargo carriers, leasing
companies and private customers. The 2005 totals include 28 aircraft
from customers who wish to remain unidentified as of Jan. 4, 2006.

"Clearly, 2005 was an incredible year for our customers and for
Boeing," said Alan Mulally, Boeing Commercial Airplanes president and
chief executive officer. "We continued to stay focused on bringing
efficiency and value to the airlines of the world through world-class
services and airplanes that fly passengers how they want to fly --
point-to-point, nonstop, with more frequencies and more choices."

"We also solidified the transformation of our product line, and the
market validated our strategy with every order during the year," said
Mulally. "Our new portfolio of airplanes from 100 to 450 seats,
combined with our global support services, put us in a great position
for the long term."

"We look forward to 2006 and continuing to meet our commitments to
our customers," Mulally said.


Notable highlights for Boeing Commercial Airplanes in 2005:

-- Launching the 747-8 Intercontinental, 777 Freighter, 737-
900ER, and the 767-300 Boeing Converted Freighter -- and offering customers a larger Boeing Business Jet, the BBJ 3.
-- Achieving firm configuration on the 787 Dreamliner and
reaching several other major program milestones, including building the first
composite fuselage sections and unveiling the 787 flight deck.
-- Establishing a new world record with the 777-200LR Worldliner
for distance traveled nonstop by a commercial airplane,
demonstrating that this airplane can connect nonstop virtually any two cities in the world.
-- Producing outstanding results in Commercial Aviation Services,
which completed and delivered the first 747-400 Boeing Converted
Freighter, and won new customers for the Electronic Flight Bag, Airplane
Health Management and Maintenance Performance Toolbox. CAS also
responded to increasing customer demand for around-the-clock support by
opening its first integrated operations center.
-- Continuing efforts to dramatically improve the quality and
productivity of the Boeing production system, including completing the
sales of the Wichita/Tulsa and Arnprior operations, which are now valued
partners to Boeing and suppliers to the entire industry.
-- Delivering the final 757, marking a successful 23-year
passenger airplane program that sold more than 1,000 airplanes.
-- Deciding to conclude production of the 717 while celebrating
its legacy of introducing moving production lines to Commercial Airplanes.
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:47 pm

And when I asked the question after the AC/AI orders if Boeing could hit the 1000 mark everyone thought I was looney tunes.


Congrats Boeing. I knew you could do it.
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Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:58 pm

The problem for Boeing in signing these in late Dec rather than early Jan is that beating Airbus again in 2006 will be that much more challenging. I think Airbus have a real chance of winning the order count in 2006. If Boeing win it again, then we can confidently assume that Boeing will exceed Airbus in deliveries by 2009.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 14):
The problem for Boeing in signing these in late Dec rather than early Jan is that beating Airbus again in 2006 will be that much more challenging.

Notice that the Qantas order isn't listed. Assuming they sign it in the next month or so, Boeing will have a nice start to the new year. There's always the looming SQ order, which could also happen soon.
 
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 14):
The problem for Boeing in signing these in late Dec rather than early Jan is that beating Airbus again in 2006 will be that much more challenging. I think Airbus have a real chance of winning the order count in 2006. If Boeing win it again, then we can confidently assume that Boeing will exceed Airbus in deliveries by 2009.

Boeing has some pending or potential orders that will get them started off well for 2006:

  • Firming QF 787s
  • Winning QF ULH RFP
  • Winning SQ RFPs
  • Winning SU midsize widebody RFP
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
See what happens when you offer a superior product at a better price?

You become #1, until your backlog is so big and your competition so desperate that they got more orders in 2005.
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:37 am

LCAL 787 order is twice as big as originally promised. CO has upped their 787 order. AI 787 order is 7 more than originally promised as is their 777 order. There are now 5 UFO 777s.

I see though that even with these extra orders, they are still lagging behind in narrowbodies despite not having the final count from Airbus.

The reports haven't been updated yet though.

Woah! What's this about 277 order last year and 240 orders the year before. Fortunes have certainly changed for Boeing in a year. This deserves a movie.

[Edited 2006-01-05 16:53:23]
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:16 am

Congratulations to Boeing, a quite staggering year.  yes 

Although we don't have Airbus's final total yet, I can't see them having more than 850 (even so, their best ever sales year as well!)

2006 will be interesting, with both having large pending commitments to firm up. I'd be very surprised if orders didn't return to a more normal level this year.
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 18):
AI 787 order is 7 more than originally promised as is their 777 order.

AI has exercised their options.They were to order 35 firm plus 15 options on the 777/787 originally but I believe they decided to order all of them firm. That's why you see more 787 and 777s from AI.
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:23 am

Correct me if I'm wring but of the 70 737NGs that CAAC ordered from Boeing it looks as if 50 have been firmed up:

China Southern - 20
Hainan - 6
Shanghai - 5
China Eastern - 4
Shenzen - 5
Xiamen - 10

What about the other 20?

Also dba firmed up 10 737s but didn't they say they were going to order 40 737NGs? What happened to the other 30?
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 17):

You become #1, until your backlog is so big and your competition so desperate that they got more orders in 2005.

That's more childish and stupid than the comment you replied too.
Congratulations.

Back on topic:

2005 was without a doubt a record breaking year for Aviation. 1002 orders is nothing to scoff at and will be hard to beat. I'm not all that confident 2006 will see as many orders for A or B as 2005 yielded. that sort of explosive ordering can't continue forever and anyway, there are almost no airlines left to order... lol

But, lets hope 2006 DOES yield as many if not more orders  Smile
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:27 am

Congratulations to Boeing!
Quite an impressive figure.
This return to success is to the credit of all employees who have worked very hard for it to happen.
But...who's going to build all these planes?? (just kidding)
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting GARPD (Reply 22):
But, lets hope 2006 DOES yield as many if not more orders

With combined A & B sales for 2005 likely to exceed 1,800, I can't see how 2006 can even get close.
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 18):
I see though that even with these extra orders, they are still lagging behind in narrowbodies despite not having the final count from Airbus.

I'm sure BCA executives are crying in their champagne over this one.
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Congratulations to both A & B.  bigthumbsup   checkmark 

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Total orders and committments for the 787 are now 379 that leaves Boeing only 21 orders away from reaching 400!!

They've firmed up 291 total since launch and have yet to firm up 88 more. If SQ comes through then they'll certainly reach 400 easily.

Will they make 500 orders/committments for the 787 by the end of the 2006?
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 19):

Although we don't have Airbus's final total yet, I can't see them having more than 850 (even so, their best ever sales year as well!)

Airbus would be smart to hold back on signing a few orders, so that they appear in next year's totals; that would give them an edge over Boeing.

Let's see what happens  Smile
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 27):
Will they make 500 orders/committments for the 787 by the end of the 2006?

If this information on "Options & Rights" is correct in this Wikipedia entry, Boeing has long since passed 500 "orders and committments". According to this entry they are at 694, but I believe the Qantas entry for 35 firm is incorrect; should be 45. That would take them over 700 committments--if options and purchase rights are included!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:15 am

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 8):
It happens that it's a record year for Airbus and Boeing !

An amazing year indeed. I was going to comment on how everyone on this board should be pleased with a year such as this in the aviation business... but then I read this nugget...

Quoting Thorben (Reply 17):
You become #1, until your backlog is so big and your competition so desperate that they got more orders in 2005.

...and lost my taste for this thread. Some people are just always looking for a fight. Must be lonely to be that unhappy.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 29):
but I believe the Qantas entry for 35 firm is incorrect; should be 45.

Actually it's correct. The 45 is broken up between Jetstar (10) and Qantas (35) on the Wikipedia web site.
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:20 am

Who is the UFO for the B-767 order?
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:23 am

"Airbus would be smart to hold back on signing a few orders, so that they appear in next year's totals; that would give them an edge over Boeing."

Either manufacturer would be stupid to hold back signing a sales contract simply to game the sales totals. This is millions of dollars, sometimes Billions, in sales. You sign that contract the moment the customer is willing to sign the line that says "we promise to pay X $$Millions if you promise to build us X airplane.

They're in it for the money folks, our entertainment is incidental.
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:27 am

Awesome and way-to-go Boeing and there 777/787 Programs.

Not to kill this beautiful thread... what was Airbus total orders?
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting Starrion (Reply 33):
Either manufacturer would be stupid to hold back signing a sales contract simply to game the sales totals. This is millions of dollars, sometimes Billions, in sales.

Signing a firm deal a week later than when it was originally scheduled is not going to hurt anyone, especially if a MoU or LoI has already been signed.

If I am not mistaken, EasyJet announced it's intention to exercise options on the A319, but that hasn't been firmed up (yet).

Quoting Starrion (Reply 33):

They're in it for the money folks, our entertainment is incidental.

There is some amount of marketing value...it isn't entertainment.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:31 am

According to Flight International, Airbus will be announcing their order tally on the 17th of January.

From Flight International,
Lack of clarity over the orders makes Airbus's formal announcement of 2005 order totals, to take place on 17 January in Paris, a nail-biter. Only if Airbus manages to close the majority of the deals will it beat Boeing.

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...g+order+race+goes+to+the+wire.html

It would seem that all possibilities are still open.

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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 24):
With combined A & B sales for 2005 likely to exceed 1,800, I can't see how 2006 can even get close.

That's correct. The higher we are, the harder we will fall. All of us should beware of the "experts" who are ready to pounce on the industry for "order slowdown," "lack of demand" and goodness knows what else in 2006...

Now off to work! Someone has to get all these planes built, certificated (some of them), filled up and happily employed for the benefit of aviation wordlwide.

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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 35):
Signing a firm deal a week later than when it was originally scheduled is not going to hurt anyone, especially if a MoU or LoI has already been signed.

Right, since it wouldn't affect the delivery schedule at all. The shareholders won't care if Air India signed in the last week of December or first week in January...just which year the delivery (and thus payment) occurred in.
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:39 am

well with 1800 orders last year ( read that earlier in the thread )
thats 1800 / 365 =4.93 orders per day average which is really amazing
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:52 am

"Credit Suisse First Boston sees Boeing having a 54% share of '05 large airplane orders compared to rival Airbus's 46%. In value terms, however, it expects the share to be 70%-75% in Boeing's favor because of its dominance of the higher-margin wide-body market."

http://www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1170257.html
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:54 am

Here is a qoute from another article:

Credit Suisse First Boston recently predicted Boeing would have a 54 percent share of 2005 large airplane orders, compared with rival Airbus S.A.S. of France, which has 46 percent.

However, Credit Suisse expects Boeing to have a 70 percent to 75 percent dollar share of the market because of its higher-margin wide-body planes.


Link: http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/pro...p?Feed=AP&Date=20060105&ID=5378379

So much for those Airbus cheerleaders who say "it's financial performance that they will be judged by". I remember those comments you made well, Sabenapilot. Do you have any thoughts now that Boeing has:

a) Orders & Market share
b) higher profit/financials
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 41):
a) Orders & Market share
b) higher profit/financials

a) - Yes, for 2005 for the first time for several years
b) - Unknown till both Airbus and BCA provide their full year figures. I believe after 9 months Airbus was ahead and showed higher margins than Boeing (before anyone asks, no I don't have the figures to hand!)
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:21 am

As mentionned above , Airbus will reveal their exact order number on Jan 17th at Paris.Probably will be around 900 , depending if they count the 70 A320s Aercap and the 100 A320s for Indigo.
Anyway , even if the number of sales at Airbus is superior to this of Boeing , in value , Boeing is far ahead as they sold many more widebodies that the Toulouse manufacturer.
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 36):
According to Flight International, Airbus will be announcing their order tally on the 17th of January.

From Flight International,
Lack of clarity over the orders makes Airbus's formal announcement of 2005 order totals, to take place on 17 January in Paris, a nail-biter. Only if Airbus manages to close the majority of the deals will it beat Boeing.

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...g+order+race+goes+to+the+wire.html

It would seem that all possibilities are still open.

The article wouldn't load for me, so I'm unclear as to what the excerpt meant. Does it mean that orders finalized in the next few weeks might count toward Airbus's final tally for 2005? Or was it a poor use of tense, and only indicated that Airbus would have more orders if it managed to close the majority of its deals?
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Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 43):
100 A320s for Indigo

The Indigo order is already counted in Airbus totals for November.
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RE: Boeing: 1002 Net Orders For 2005

Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting N844AA (Reply 44):
The article wouldn't load for me, so I'm unclear as to what the excerpt meant. Does it mean that orders finalized in the next few weeks might count toward Airbus's final tally for 2005? Or was it a poor use of tense, and only indicated that Airbus would have more orders if it managed to close the majority of its deals?

Basically, they were alluding to the fact the Airbus has more "pending" orders than Boeing, and if (it's too big a one in my opinion), they were able to firm up a significant number of them in December, they could actually exceed Boeing's sales numbers.

Personally, I can't see Airbus getting past 850 (by far their best sales year ever!)
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RE: Boeing: 1002 Net Orders For 2005

Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Tifoso (Thread starter):
Fantastic job, Boeing

I agree! I'm very happy for Boeing. And to think that a few years ago, people were saying that perhaps Boeing would concede the entire commercial airliner industry to Airbus!

Healthy and fair competition is a good thing for the airliner industry.

I suspect that Airbus will only redouble its efforts to regain its sales champ status. But I don't think Boeing will be sitting on its laurels, either.

Anything that indicates that the airliner industry -- an industry that brings people from all over the world together in more ways than one -- is thriving, is a good thing by me.  

Congratulations to Boeing!

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RE: Boeing: 1002 Net Orders For 2005

Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:40 am

Congratulations to Boeing for an immense performance.!

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 42):
I believe after 9 months Airbus was ahead and showed higher margins than Boeing (before anyone asks, no I don't have the figures to hand!)

FWIW,

Boeing CA (Note CA)

Revenues Q3 2005 $4 913 m
Earnings Q3 2005 $238 m
Operating Margin 4.8%

Revenues 9 months 2005 $16 795 m
Earnings 9 months 2005 $1 102 m
Operating Margin $6.6%

Airbus in $ (At 1.23$/E ave for year)

Revenues Q3 2005 $5 900m
Earnings Q3 2005 $504 m
Operating Margin 8.6%%

Revenues 9 months 2005 $19 720m
Earnings 9 months 2005 $2 280 m
Operating Margin $11.6%

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 41):
So much for those Airbus cheerleaders who say "it's financial performance that they will be judged by". I remember those comments you made well, Sabenapilot. Do you have any thoughts now that Boeing has:

a) Orders & Market share
b) higher profit/financials

It's premature just yet to say that Boeing Commercial Aircraft have higher profit/financials than Airbus, DAYflyer, as the above figures show (no B bashing intended in a thread of such positive news).

This year's order performance from Boeing should certainly lead to much stronger figures in future years, though  Smile.
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RE: Boeing: 1002 Net Orders For 2005

Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:43 am

I have only started to follow aviation closely this year. Can anyone give me some thoughts as to why this year has seen a tripleing of orders above the last 3-4 years. I know there was a downturn after 7/11, but I was wondering why there was a sudden surge in 2005.