PanAm747
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Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:38 am

Greetings to all!!

I walked out of my classroom this morning about 10:05 AM Pacific time, and saw a rather unusual sight. A DC-10 was head west, but more at an angle towards North Island Naval Air Station than to runway 27. Before I could get a good look at who owns this somewhat unusual visitor to the city, it banked to the right and headed off in the distance for SAN.

The problem is, I could not tell who owns this DC-10. There were no winglets, so I know it wasn't an MD-11. Here's the best description I can give of it:


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This is what I thought it was originally, however, the plane I saw had several noticeable differences - the engine cowlings were white, and the entire fuselage were Eurowhite with no airline markings I could see.

The Arrow Air green was painted in a form very similar to the Fed Ex DC-10:


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Inside the green on the tail was a blue circle that was white on the inside with a logo painted in.

I have never seen anything other than Fed Ex flying DC-10's into SAN. This is a most unusual visitor - can anyone help identify this plane for me?

Thanks in advance - and happy flying to all!!
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:50 am

Arrow is exactly what it was.... came in from LAX

APW12
Arrow Airways, Inc. "Big A"
Aircraft McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (tri-jet) [H/DC10/W]
Origin Los Angeles Int'l [KLAX]
Destination San Diego Int'l [KSAN]
Route LAXM10
Date Thursday, Jan 05, 2006
Duration 17 minutes
Status Arrived! (track log)
Proposed/Assigned Actual/Estimated
Departure 08:06 PST 09:40 PST
Arrival 08:33 PST 09:57 PST
Groundspeed 403 kts
Altitude 19000 feet


Why it's there I have no idea, but now you know who  Smile
 
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:08 am

This flight originates at DAY and sometimes it is a World Airways MD-11, last week it was an ExpressNet A300 and this week it seems to be an Arrow DC-10.
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:15 am

BTW those things are LOUD! That makes them awesome.

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wjcandee
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:41 am

It's usually a World DC10. (World runs two DC10s per day for UPS/Menlo. One goes EBBR-DAY, the other goes DAY-LAX[-SAN].) Guess one of those DC10s is down for maint. Express.net is one of the 3 primary carriers for Menlo/UPS at DAY (the other two being World and CAT), so I guess they were able to cover LAX temporarily, but it looks like Arrow got the call this week. They can use the business, so good for them.
 
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:46 am

World DC-10 (ship 303) has been in BYH for MX this week!
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scxmechanic
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:53 am

Who does MX in BYH? Any website for said company?
 
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting FI642 (Reply 5):
World DC-10 (ship 303) has been in BYH for MX this week!

I thought she came back to DAY from BYH earlier this week and has been doing the Brussels turns. Or was that the other ship?

Curiously,

Bill
 
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting SCXmechanic (Reply 6):
Who does MX in BYH? Any website for said company?

No formal company. As is customary for the area, automotive and aircraft maintenance are both done by buying a case of beer, putting the thing up on blocks in the front yard, and getting a few friends to help you work on it.
 
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 7):
thought she came back to DAY from BYH earlier this week and has been doing the Brussels turns. Or was that the other ship?

Curiously,

Bill

304 is doing the BRU runs.


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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:57 pm

Thanks, Rich. I appreciate the info. Was 304 the ship that came from BYH-DAY the other night? Were they both getting a little work done over the holiday weekend?

Best,

Bill
 
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:11 pm

Looks like Arrow Cargo will be making another flight today. Flytecomm also shows Asiana(!) making an appearance with a flight scheduled from LAX to arrive at 1:14PM.

Airline Asiana
Flight Number 6234
Departure City (Airport) Los Angeles, CA (LAX)
Departure Time 01/06/2006 12:34 PM
Arrival City (Airport) San Diego, CA (SAN)
Arrival Time 01/06/2006 01:14 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:40 (scheduled)
Aircraft Type
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Scheduled
 
INTENSS
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:30 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 10):
Thanks, Rich. I appreciate the info.

No problem.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 10):
Was 304 the ship that came from BYH-DAY the other night? Were they both getting a little work done over the holiday weekend?

Yep, it came from BYH.


-Rich
 
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:14 pm

Quote:
Looks like Arrow Cargo will be making another flight today. Flytecomm also shows Asiana(!) making an appearance with a flight scheduled from LAX to arrive at 1:14PM.

Looks like a false alarm - I did a little more research and this is only Asiana's code-shared flight with United operated by Skywest Airlines. No 747, just another EMB-120. Pity.
 
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
however, the plane I saw had several noticeable differences - the engine cowlings were white, and the entire fuselage were Eurowhite with no airline markings I could see.



Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
Inside the green on the tail was a blue circle that was white on the inside with a logo painted in.

Your description sounds as if it might have been a Gemini Cargo ship, except that the color would be navy blue, rather than lime green.

MB
 
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RE: Who's DC-10 On Approach To SAN Today?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:14 am

Does anybody know if Arrow took this contract from World on a "permanent" basis (i.e. until UPS takes over this flying permanently later this year)? World is still doing DAY-BRU, but there was some suggestion elsewhere that Arrow may now be doing this LAX flight permanently.

It looks like "Big A" was 12 hours late on Wednesday after their DC10 appears to have crapped out at DAY. Kinda hurts the ol' on-time performance when you make deliveries in one of your largest markets a full day late. Kinda embarassing for this to happen in their FIRST FULL WEEK doing the work. UPS/Menlo must be missing the quality provided by World.

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