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Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:49 am

Data supplied by Flight International sister company AvSoft estimates the airframer had around 800 confirmed firm orders by the end of last year

announced but unconfirmed are:
- 150 aircraft destined for Chinese carriers
- 70 A320s from aircraft lessor AerCap
- 60 A350s from Qatar Airways
- 12 Finnair A350s/A340s.
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Unclear is how many have been confirmed in december.

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...g+order+race+goes+to+the+wire.html

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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
- 150 aircraft destined for Chinese carriers

Already publically stated that this order won't be finalized until '06.

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
- 70 A320s from aircraft lessor AerCap

I believe this one, however, was booked in December.

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
- 60 A350s from Qatar Airways

Though not certain, I would imagine the QR will firm both the A350 and 777 order at the same time (due to financing arangements). Since we know they did not firm the 777 order, I doubt we will see the A350 order confirmed.

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
- 12 Finnair A350s/A340s.

Very uncertain on this. Basically 50/50 whether it was 2005, or will be this year.


One that was not mentioned was IC's order for 43 A32X. With the AI order booked, there's a good chance so will IC's.


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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:41 am

Answer on Jan 17th at Paris , when Airbus will tell exactly their order book for 2005.11 days to wait ........
 
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
Answer on Jan 17th at Paris , when Airbus will tell exactly their order book for 2005.11 days to wait ........

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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:59 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 1):
Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
- 12 Finnair A350s/A340s.

Very uncertain on this. Basically 50/50 whether it was 2005, or will be this year.

On www.finnair.com a press release clearly states that the planes have been ordered. It leaves absolutely no doubt.

Unfortunately, however, the press release doesn't carry a date stamp, so it could be from this week?

But I doubt since it also says:
Next year the aim is to increase by one aircraft the present seven-strong Boeing MD-11 long-haul fleet
and I would be surprised if that means 2007.

It also says that the first A340 will arrive in 2007 - not "next year", but 2007.
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:51 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 3):
Slackers! I suppose this is what a 35 hour work week gets you

Imagine how good Airbus would be if they worked an "American" week!  wink 
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:46 pm

We can add a few more to the list that have been confirmed as being signed in December;

8 x A320 for Aegean
10 x A359 for TAM
10 x A38F for UPS
20 x A319 for easyJet
30 x A320 for Air Deccan
6 x A358 for Bangkok Airways

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 1):
One that was not mentioned was IC's order for 43 A32X. With the AI order booked, there's a good chance so will IC's.

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I believe that is correct Hamlet69 so if we go off those numbers thats 127 for December to take them to 814 gross orders. If we include AerCap and AY, which I too, understand was firmed, that would take them to 896 gross orders for 2005, not including any others they may have finalised.  Wow!

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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
70 A320s from aircraft lessor AerCap

Who is AerCap (I know it says aircraft lessor) and where are they based?
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:13 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
Who is AerCap

It's the former Dutch-based lessor Debis AirFinance, renamed.
 
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):
We can add a few more to the list that have been confirmed as being signed in December;

8 x A320 for Aegean
10 x A359 for TAM
10 x A38F for UPS
20 x A319 for easyJet
30 x A320 for Air Deccan
6 x A358 for Bangkok Airways

Eurofly has firmed up their A350 order, according to the airbus website. Altough, the article appeared in 2006, the deal could have been concluded in 2005.
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:34 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Imagine how good Airbus would be if they worked an "American" week!

Add to that Japanese holidays (in other words no holidays) and imagine the productivity !!  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 9):
Eurofly has firmed up their A350 order, according to the airbus website. Altough, the article appeared in 2006, the deal could have been concluded in 2005.

That is a fair point Manni and indeed I did not list it due to the date it was published. You are most likely correct though and it could appear in the 2005 totals. Either way, excluding China which Airbus confirmed will be signed this year, I feel they may well easily exceed the 800 Gross Order mark which they stated in mid December. As evidenced by their statement to that effect and the steady stream of confirmation press releases over December.

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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:14 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 3):
Slackers! I suppose this is what a 35 hour work week gets you



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Imagine how good Airbus would be if they worked an "American" week!



Quoting Sebolino (Reply 10):
Add to that Japanese holidays (in other words no holidays) and imagine the productivity !!

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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:47 pm

Quoting Backfire (Reply 8):
It's the former Dutch-based lessor Debis AirFinance, renamed.

Aren't they Dutch-based anymore? Where did they move to? I heard about the take-over, but not about a move.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):
believe that is correct Hamlet69 so if we go off those numbers thats 127 for December to take them to 814 gross orders. If we include AerCap and AY, which I too, understand was firmed, that would take them to 896 gross orders for 2005, not including any others they may have finalised

Either way, I don't think many people predicted it could be this close after the first couple of months, when boeing had about 70% of the orders. Very nice comeback by Airbus, hopefully they can do something about their widebody sales. It should be possible since the a350 is effectively replacing the a332, a333 and a343 with a presumably much better product. The competition will become really fierce IMHO when the 787 sells out it's slots for the first 2-3 years, and thus early deliveries are no longer a selling point.

Anyway, enough rambling, back to work. And no, even though I work in Europe, I haven't had a 35 hour work week since I was a student  Sad
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 13):
Aren't they Dutch-based anymore? Where did they move to? I heard about the take-over, but not about a move.

with former I think he means the former name, not the former base
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 13):
Either way, I don't think many people predicted it could be this close after the first couple of months, when boeing had about 70% of the orders.

It will still be a major gap (around 200 frames if AvSoft is correct), and the gap is more meaningful if you look at the dollar value difference or the amount of widebodies sold by one or the other. That's where Airbus really fell short this year.
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Imagine how good Airbus would be if they worked an "American" week!



Quoting PM (Reply 12):
Happy is the land that realises there's more to life than work.

Amen to that! Balancing work/quality of life issues are important for happy AND productive employees.
 
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:12 am

Airbus Says 2005 Orders Close to Boeing's

"...spokesman Rainer Ohler said the final tallies would be close, after a surge of business in December. "In terms of aircraft order intake, Airbus will be in a similar ballpark to its competitor," he said.

Ohler dismissed press reports that Airbus received about 800 orders, indicating that the total is considerably higher. "Suggestions of a significant gap are completely misleading," he said.

He declined to give the full-year figure or say whether it fell short of Boeing's total, but added: "December is always a busy month in our industry."

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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 17):

Very interesting.

In his position, if (and I don't believe it personally) Airbus had even [shock horror] sold more planes than Boeing in 2005, I would not have been able to resist adding a little teaser in there. Something like "Suggestions of a significant gap are completely misleading. Boeing has got very close to our number!"  wink 

Before reading this, my best guess was around 850. If they've actually managed convert more announced commitments to firm orders and get over 900, then 2005 will have truly been a very remarkable year for both manufacturers. Given the state of play for the first six months of this year, many will be very surprised if Airbus is indeed close to Boeing.

What are folks estimates?
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 10):
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Imagine how good Airbus would be if they worked an "American" week!

Add to that Japanese holidays (in other words no holidays) and imagine the productivity !! Smile

The Japanese have more holidays than the US...and they really do not show up to work.
 
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 19):
LOL, I'm lucky if I make it under 48 for a week.

Me too... You know, there are a lot of companies and people in Europe who don't work less than 40 hours...

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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:03 am

Are we talking 650 or so A320 family aircraft here? If so, that should give B a kick in the pants to launch the 797...
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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
Are we talking 650 or so A320 family aircraft here?

I got to 678 with AerCap but without the Chinese or Air India.

As you say, a pretty serious number.

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RE: Airbus Orders 2005, Possibly Higher Then Thought

Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:54 am

About the 35 hours work week, what I see it is just a reference.

many start early, lunch extensively but go home late

heavy traffic around big french city´s guarantees many are from home more then 12 hours a day..

For more demanding jobs this hour count means nothing anyway, just smart from the employers..

about the 320 series orders, Airbus obviously saw it coming & announced production acceleration more then a year ago..
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