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NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:40 am

Looks like the busiest year ever at JFK, EWR, and LGA:

"Regional Airport System is the Busiest in the Nation with Nearly 100 Million Passengers


John F. Kennedy International, Newark Liberty International and LaGuardia airports handled nearly 100 million passengers in 2005 according to a preliminary analysis by the Port Authority, setting a new annual record for passenger traffic for the region’s three major airports. The Port Authority’s airports handled more passengers than any other airport system in the nation in 2005.

With final year-end figures expected to be tabulated in several weeks, the initial analysis shows that the Port Authority’s airports once again enjoyed robust growth in passenger traffic, with an increase of about 6 percent over 2004 figures.

Kennedy Airport led the way with nearly 41 million passengers last year, while Newark Airport handled about 33 million passengers and LaGuardia Airport served approximately 26 million passengers.

The Port Authority anticipates continued growth in passenger traffic in 2006, as the agency’s airport analysts project a total of more than 102.5 million passengers this year."

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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:13 am

Great job NYC. Together EWR, LGA, and JFK make one killer system. They will all probably see lots more of flights this year and numbers will climb at all 3. But what I still can't believe that in 2007 is that LGA is losing the slots. It is gonna be a mess probably, or maybe not but I feel delays will get longer and be more often while passenger numbers will climb. But for 2006, NYC will see lots more of flights added, with tons on international mostly by DL and probably CO.

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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:18 pm

NYC is simply an amazing aviation market. It's nice to see continued growth in my hometown.

Growth at JFK is definitely because of JetBlue domestically and DL internationally. Growth at LGA is still a bit confusing to me, but maybe the airport saw an incraese in the average LF for the year. EWR's growth is probably because of CO's new international flights and also B6's new (limited) presence.

When the LGA slots are lifted in 2007, what will the landscape be? DL and B6 fighting to the death for Florida flights? US and AA fighting for regional business traffic? The Shuttles increasing frequency and to new destinations?

The NYC aviation market can support amazing amounts of traffic. Let's see what happens.

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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 1):
Together EWR, LGA, and JFK make one killer system

Despite all the arguments and disagreements, nobody can dispute that!
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:35 pm

Quoting Rjpieces (Reply 3):
Despite all the arguments and disagreements, nobody can dispute that!

Ohhh yes lol

But LGA will be a mess with competition in 07.

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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 4):
But LGA will be a mess with competition in 07.

Hopefully it will all sort itself out...But somehow I doubt it.

Aren't slots disappearing at JFK as well?
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:56 pm

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Thread starter):
Looks like the busiest year ever at JFK, EWR, and LGA:

"Regional Airport System is the Busiest in the Nation with Nearly 100 Million Passengers

All 3 airports combined ???????
 
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:10 pm

Again I quote the Bureau of Travel Statistics regarding nations busiest ariports.

ATL, ORD, DFW, LAS, LAX, DEN, PHX, MSP, DTW, MCO.

Where did they get your numbers from. I don't see them anywhere?

The largest emplanement for the reporting period of Jan to Sept was 29 Million in Atlanta. If your quote is correct that would mean over 30 million per airport?
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Thread starter):
Kennedy Airport led the way with nearly 41 million passengers last year, while Newark Airport handled about 33 million passengers and LaGuardia Airport served approximately 26 million passengers.



Quoting Jumpseat70 (Reply 7):
If your quote is correct that would mean over 30 million per airport?

That's what he said  Smile

Quoting Jumpseat70 (Reply 7):
Again I quote the Bureau of Travel Statistics regarding nations busiest` ariports.

As far as I understand, the BTS figures only include specific domestic airlines, not all of them, and no international....I may be wrong.


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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:46 am

More people than ever visited New York City last year.

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Preliminary estimates from city tourism officials are that a record 41 million visitors came to New York in 2005, including 8.25 million in November and December



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"The last week of 2005 was also the single highest grossing week in Broadway history,"

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Mr. Bloomberg said there was little reason to expect that the influx of tourists would slow anytime soon. According to NYC & Company data, attendance at New York tourist attractions is currently running about 15 percent higher than a year ago, and that the number of visitors passing through city airports is 7 percent higher.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/06/nyregion/06tourism.html

This is fantastic news, especially considering where people feared the City was going right after 9-11.
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:14 am

"Emplanements" is "passenger number" devided by two (approximately).

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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
Aren't slots disappearing at JFK as well?

JFK isn't actually slot restricted, it is merely flow controlled at busy times of day.
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:11 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
JFK isn't actually slot restricted, it is merely flow controlled at busy times of day.

Really? Didn't they used to have slots for certain times of the day?
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:02 am

The slots at LGA will not be lifted in 2007. They tried this before and it was a disaster. An emergency lottery was formed in 2000 to put slots back in place immediately.

Trust me, LGA slots will never, ever be lifted again. The airport can not handle one more flight a day.

JFK is slot controlled from 4-7pm i believe. But thats it.

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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:07 am

Those are good figures but when you have 16 million people in the Greater NYC area, it is not a surprise by anymeans.
What is needed is a new runway at LGA. Take the LGA pax figures and note they are all run off two runways. That's an alarming number. If you can built new airports and runways in the water like Hong Kong and Osaka, you can put another runway at LGA. Check the history of the airport and you will note it is a landfill of dirt, rocks and almost a million Christmas trees.
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:26 am

They would rather close LGA than put another runway there, the City, State and Port Authority have been siphoning off funds from LGA projects and putting them towards JFK projects.

One example is the $680 Million the MTA allocated during the Giuliani administration to extend the N Train to LGA, as soon as Giuliani left office Pataki had the MTA re-allocate those funds to begin preliminary construction of the Long Island Railroad's East Side Access project.

The only major investment up coming for LGA is the Port Authority is going to spend $1.1 Billion to build a brand new air side for the Central Terminal Building, new wide/tall/modern concourses all connected to each other past security.

That project is connected to a $1.2 Billion refurbishment of Terminal A at EWR, both projects should be approved within the next 24 months.
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Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:44 am

You see,STT757, this is a perfect example on why government is wrong.
Runways are the major problem at airports like LGA and DCA. For the pax traffic and airplane traffic, there isn't enough concrete. The Feds invested a fortune in new runways at STL and CVG. That's nice but the airlines are doing a regress in both those cities, therefore the new concrete is not needed.
Traffic at LAG and DCA remains high and it always will be high because the public likes those airports. They are handy and close to where they wish to go after landing. LGA terminal isn't a real headace like moving the metal. Yes, they should always try to improve terminals but LGA has a runway problem, not a terminal problem. Put in another runway and the slot game can go away and the airlines will be forever greatful.
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:01 am

There's an airport down the road from LGA called JFK, JFK is a huge International Airport with paltry domestic service. Why does JFK have paltry Domestic Service, because anyone flying to NYC if given a choice between JFK and LGA would want to fly into LGA because of it's convenience.

Politicians over the past 8 years (especially Pataki and Schumer) have been pushing hard to change JFK into a modern airport with a Domestic offering, they succeeded with B6 in 2000.

However if given a choice of spending upwards of $3 Billion Dollars to increase capacity at LGA they would rather spend the $3 Billion to increase the capacity at JFK or even EWR, what ever success LGA experiences comes at the expense of JFK.

JFK is under utilized, LGA is at capacity.

If they were to drop the perimeter rule from LGA for example almost over night AA and UAL would move their Trans-Con flights to LGA, at the detriment of JFK. Same thing with international flights.

They would be better off instead of spending Billions to increase capacity at LGA to improve the NorthEast Corridor, Acela Trains can operate NY Penn-Washington Union Station in just under two hours if they were to replace the Catenary between NY-Was and to straigten out some curves.

They can operate Acela Trains between NY Penn and Boston South Station in under three hours if they replaced the catenary and tracks in Metro North Territoy between New Rochelle and New Haven, also four 100 year old draw bridges across Connecticut.

There's even the NY Penn-Albany High Speed Rail service that needs funding, they could have 90 minute service between NY Penn and the new Renselear Station.

The best way to address capacity at LGA is to invest in Regional Rail improvements and to improvements at JFK and EWR.
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):
JFK is under utilized, LGA is at capacity.

Agreed, 102percent.
I see you also have an interest in pax rail in the USA like myself. I have always thought the government can find ways to interweave them...rail at airports.
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:04 am

There are bigger problems here that need to be addressed. Any rail link would have to stop at JFK or LGA as well to connect passengers to BOS and DCA. Keep in mind that a lot of pax conenct from BOS/DCA to other flights from LGA and JFK.

As a matter of fact, when we print the ACARS connecting gate info to give to the FA at the end of the flight, the list is always longest from BOS-LGA. And every flight into JFK also has a large number of conenctors.

Point being, connecting city centers via high speed rail would be a good thing . . . but significant air service between the cities would still be necessary.

As for new runways at LGA, the airport is hemmed in by city on all sides. This isn't Asia where they build a big island off the coast . . . LGA is surrounded on ALL sides by a bustling urban area. Flushing Bay (off to the South and East of the airport) is not a large expanse of waterway that can handle a floating island. It is a narrow waterway that separates the airport from the College Point and Flushing neighborhoods of Queens. We are talking less than a mile here (much less). The room isn't there for the massive floating island projects that you have in Asia.

What we are facing now in NY is what we all feared would happen...we are almost full! LGA and EWR are at capacity in terms of takeoffs and landings. LGA is actually overcapacity. The only way to increase pax in these airports is the use of larger aircraft.

JFK has capacity . . . but with the advent of JetBlue, and a much larger DL hub, I was number 20 for Takeoff at JFK at 930 am! The morning was always JFK's dead time. The capacity there is disappearing fast. The answer is probably the use of SWF to the North; but this won't seriously happen without a takeover and investment by the Port Authority of NY and NJ.

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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 19):
Any rail link would have to stop at JFK or LGA as well to connect passengers to BOS and DCA.

Connecting Acela to JFK is really not feasible. Geographically it is a big detour and would be an engineering nightmare. EWR on the other hand is already connected.
 
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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 19):
JFK has capacity . . . but with the advent of JetBlue, and a much larger DL hub, I was number 20 for Takeoff at JFK at 930 am! The morning was always JFK's dead time. The capacity there is disappearing fast.

Agreed! JFK is operating at capacity and mornings are packed with departures (especially out of the 31 L/R system and the Canarsie Climb).

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 19):
Any rail link would have to stop at JFK or LGA as well to connect passengers to BOS and DCA. Keep in mind that a lot of pax conenct from BOS/DCA to other flights from LGA and JFK.

Not to mention the fact that JFK is in Jamaica. The closest rail links are AirTrainJFK which links to the MTA NYC Subway at Sutphin Blvd, and the Long Island Rail Road which goes into Penn Station. Amtrak also goes to Penn Station so many people can take the Subway to JFK.

This is the closest we will get to Rail Service to JFK. Any direct rail service, such as an extension to the Amtrak System would be a waste to Amtrak. To go 30 miles east, turn around, and then proceed another 30 miles west after stopping at JFK, continuing down to DC at that point would be ultimately pointless.

We would do better with an extension to AirTrain JFK, in the form of a tunnel to link Penn Station directly to JFK.

Delta Shuttle Flights would continue even if such a rail service were instituted. Some people do not want to spend 2 hours on a train to Boston. Some would rather take a 15 minute taxi ride to LGA and a 1 hour flight to KBOS.

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RE: NYC Airports: Busiest In The Nation 2005

Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:15 pm

If the proper investment were made to Inter City rail service from NY to Boston, Washington, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Albany it would siphon off the majority of the O&D traffic from LGA.

If Acela Express ran realiably at 1:45 between NY Penn and Washington Union Station, and between NY Penn and Boston South Station at 2:25 it would pretty much kill off the US and Delta Air Shuttles thus creating additional slots for new flights to places outside the Region.

There would always be flights from EWR and JFK to Boston , DCA and PHL for connecting passengers etc. But the High Frequency O&D traffic could easily be handled better through investment in existing rail infastructure.
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