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Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:40 am

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...but I'm wondering if any of you types have any evidence more concrete than hearsay.

Anyone?
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:47 am

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OH, the days of the DC-9. Miss those birds. I might have to take a flight on NW now so I can experience that again.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:08 am

YES! Spring schedule '06 providing MSY is back up tio full functionality.
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:20 am

What equipment? CRJ-705?
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:13 pm

AC Web site says that is a code share with UA
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 2):
YES! Spring schedule '06 providing MSY is back up tio full functionality.

Good to hear, considering that TA seems to have abandoned us.

I too am curious as to the equipment.
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:31 pm

Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 4):
AC Web site says that is a code share with UA

UA codeshares on pretty much every AC transborder flight.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 5):
I too am curious as to the equipment.

It would be completely stupid to bring back the Jazz CR2, that was just too small and the CASM is high. I think one of their new E-jets would be perfect until the traffic level goes up to Airbus numbers.
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:49 pm

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 2):
YES! Spring schedule '06 providing MSY is back up tio full functionality.

... but I guess they're not in RES yet, as I couldnt book a nonstop trip no matter what dates/times I tried.
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:01 pm

It would probabaly be in the schedules by mid Febuary if it is planned on starting in April let's say.

Fred...nice photo montage of the pre-K AC days...but you left out the 732 that was operated by CP and later AC.  Smile

AC will be welcomed back here with open arms to say the least!
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:12 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 8):
but you left out the 732 that was operated by CP and later AC.

care to share the location of such a pic?  Wink
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:13 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
It would be completely stupid to bring back the Jazz CR2, that was just too small and the CASM is high.

No, it would be completely logical. To restart YYZ-MSY should involve the smallest AC aircraft which would minimize the risk. The CRJ is perfect.
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:19 pm

I just wish AC would time the flight to connect with their international flights to/from Europe. The standard ATL/CDG connections to get from/to Europe is boring.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:55 pm

YYZ717 what risk, the people in MSY Love Air Canada. Just think AC was the only carrier to get a thank you from George Bush for their help after Katrina
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
No, it would be completely logical. To restart YYZ-MSY should involve the smallest AC aircraft which would minimize the risk. The CRJ is perfect.

The CR2 is certainly better than nothing, but a 705 for example would offer an overall better product.

Back in the day AC had no trouble filling up the Jazz CRJ. Honestly, I think it will be no different this go around. In fact, I think AC will do BETTER down here. The entire market has changed...in many ways for the better as far as airlines are concerned. Every route is seeing vastly increased yields.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 11):
The standard ATL/CDG connections to get from/to Europe is boring.

so why limit yourselves to them?

EWR, PHL, IAD, CLT, MIA, MEM, DTW, ORD, DFW, and IAH all offer realistic non-ATL same-airline connection opportunities to Europe.


Course, it's still a b!tch that we don't have our own scheduled nonstop, but I wont open that can o' worms in this particular thread  Wink
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:18 am

Indeed ... AF could swoop in an put on a 3x weekly nonstop to CDG ... would make life PERFECT (well pre-K perfect .. ha!)

Concorde Boy .. I know .. I did limit myself .. it's just that AC should really capitalize on the intl routes ...
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:21 am

another thing about those 'other' gateways is right now or lately I shoudl say is it is hard to use PHL, DTW, CLT, IAD and to some extent EWR becaue of the post-K schedules... that will change... It upsets me that US hasn't come back to full schedule already .. but as mentioned .. they are planning something I hear.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 16):
It upsets me that US hasn't come back to full schedule already .. but as mentioned .. they are planning something I hear.

Pre-K US was running:

CLT (5x daily)
PHL (5x daily)
DCA (3x daily)
PIT (1x daily)
LGA (1x daily)

I don't expect PIT to come back...and probably not LGA now that both DL and AA will be flying the route. Hopefully we'll see at least four flights to CLT and two to PHL/DCA before too long.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 17):
Pre-K US was running:

CLT (5x daily)
PHL (5x daily)
DCA (3x daily)
PIT (1x daily)
LGA (1x daily)

I don't expect PIT to come back...and probably not LGA now that both DL and AA will be flying the route. Hopefully we'll see at least four flights to CLT and two to PHL/DCA before too long.

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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Pictues (Reply 12):
the people in MSY Love Air Canada. Just think AC was the only carrier to get a thank you from George Bush for their help after Katrina

Funny, considering Bush is despised here.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
No, it would be completely logical. To restart YYZ-MSY should involve the smallest AC aircraft which would minimize the risk. The CRJ is perfect.

Except that CR2s are so high CASM that it is difficult to eeek out all but the smallest profit with them. In a market like New Orleans that will see an influx of tourist traffic over the next few months combined with all the business traffic into the city, it makes more sense to operate something with a lower CASM and a premium cabin to take advantage of both markets.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 18):
Didnt they wanna fly MSY-FLL with a 70 seater?

They had already announced MSY-FLL before the storm
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:18 am

I do not recall hearing anything from US announced about MSY-FLL! Someone correct me if I'm wrong?
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 20):
I do not recall hearing anything from US announced about MSY-FLL! Someone correct me if I'm wrong?

From what I heard, they had planned on starting MSY-FLL with 170's. It was never loaded into the schedules, however. Now, I've heard that DL may send an RJ from here to FLL. It would be a good move since WN is reluctant to add it back.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
They had already announced MSY-FLL before the storm

....they had??
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 22):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
They had already announced MSY-FLL before the storm

....they had??

I thought it had been announced along with their added frequencies to the hubs. It was months ago anyway, so I could definately be wrong.
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:34 pm

Never saw it in a published schedule or press release.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
I thought it had been announced along with their added frequencies to the hubs. It was months ago anyway, so I could definately be wrong.

It was rumored IIRC last summer(05), too bad FLL-NAS/PLS never got off the ground  frown 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:33 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
To restart YYZ-MSY should involve the smallest AC aircraft which would minimize the risk. The CRJ is perfect.

Not in stone, however it is expected the E190 AND CRJ705 will op flights into MSY when schedule is re-introduced.
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:26 pm

If it is already codeshare with UA, why won't it show up on AC online timetable when entered?  confused 

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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 26):
however it is expected the E190 AND CRJ705 will op flights into MSY when schedule is re-introduced.

Interesting.

As in Eqp. alternation, or more than one frequency per day?

...or, are we finally looking at a YUL nonstop as well?
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:44 pm

Will initially be 2 daily with CRJ705 and introduction of e175/e190 equip I believe sometime in summer for a 3rd frqcy daily. YUL may happen in fall with CRJ 705 equip.....
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:50 pm

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 29):
Will initially be 2 daily with CRJ705 and introduction of e175/e190 equip I believe sometime in summer for a 3rd frqcy daily. YUL may happen in fall with CRJ 705 equip.....

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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 29):
Will initially be 2 daily with CRJ705 and introduction of e175/e190 equip I believe sometime in summer for a 3rd frqcy daily. YUL may happen in fall with CRJ 705 equip.....

Pre-Katrina, MSY supported one CRJ200 flight from YYZ, downgauged over the years from DC9/319. 2 or 3 flights a day?? Not anytime in the near future!!
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 31):
Pre-Katrina, MSY supported one CRJ200 flight from YYZ, downgauged over the years from DC9/319. 2 or 3 flights a day?? Not anytime in the near future!!

Honestly, I would not be surprsed if demand has increased between YYZ and MSY. We are seeing extremely high load factors on every roite out of here. It's no longer just a basically all-leisure market.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 31):
Pre-Katrina, MSY supported one CRJ200 flight from YYZ, downgauged over the years from DC9/319. 2 or 3 flights a day?? Not anytime in the near future!!

You say that because you're viewing the MSY-YYZ traffic only from AC's perspective.

The market circa 2002 was sufficient for double daily A319s, however during AC's massive transborder reduction due to SARS, much of that traffic ended up being routed via ORD... with AC transporting higher-yielding traffic nonstop with an RJ.

Now that MSY's ORD capacity is significantly reduced, AC has (if TIMEAIR's uncorroborated information proves accurate) decided to take the bulk of the traffic back upon itself.


That said, I'd LOVE to see the introduction of a nonstop MSY-YUL!
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
What equipment? CRJ-705?

My guess is that it will be the E90. But then again... I could be wrong!


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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting Mack8994 (Reply 34):
it will be the E90.

What international markets are they currently serving with those? With the CR7s?
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 35):
What international markets are they currently serving with those? With the CR7s?

Well, at the very least, AC has both the E90 and E75 flying YYZ-BOS
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 35):
What international markets are they currently serving with those?

Off the top of my head E-90: YOW-MCO, FLL. YYC-EWR

Toronto-Boston
Toronto-Newark
Toronto-New York La Guardia
Toronto-Miami
Toronto-Kelowna
Toronto-Ottawa
Toronto-Abbotsford
Toronto-Calgary
Montreal-Halifax
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:02 pm

I don't rule out the Embraer's operating YYZ-MSY, but frankly I see IAH being upgauged from CR7's to E75/90's first. I was actually surprised that YYZ-DFW received the E75's ahead of the YYZ/YYC-IAH route.
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:22 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 38):



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 38):
I don't rule out the Embraer's operating YYZ-MSY, but frankly I see IAH being upgauged from CR7's to E75/90's first. I was actually surprised that YYZ-DFW received the E75's ahead of the YYZ/YYC-IAH route.

**FLASH**
Actually I jumped the gun (didn't do my research). Effective February 19th YYZ-IAH gets one E75 return flight daily.
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 29):
Will initially be 2 daily with CRJ705 and introduction of e175/e190 equip I believe sometime in summer for a 3rd frqcy daily. YUL may happen in fall with CRJ 705 equip.....

Again, thanks for this tidbit.

If you don't mind, might I inquire as to the source of the information though?
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:55 am

Ditto what C-Boy said. Much thanks for that tidbit. If it proves true, it would be a huge shot in the arm for our airport, city, and region. I too am wondering about the source...

I have thought all along that MSY-YUL, perhaps even seasonally, would work. Hopefully we'll see this route become a reality. Even if it does not, however, I am anxiously awaiting the return of MSY-YYZ. I miss seeing the Maple Leaf down here.
 
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RE: Air Canada To Return YYZ-MSY Nonstop?

Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:11 pm

FYI Jazz will operate 135 jet aircraft and 52 DH8 variant aircraft by year end '06. A source indicates that there will be an additional 12 CRJ-200 aircraft coming online soon, of which are additional to the recent addition of former FlyI aircraft and AC CRJ-100's .
If this proves true, I can imagine there will be several other transborder routes opened soon, or added frequency to those that exist now.
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