cha747
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Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:27 am

Just got back from a trip from NYC. The last leg was on an ASA flight from ATL-CHA on an ATR-72. I was in 11D and I thought it was just the most horrible flying experience. The rumble of the propellers wasn't even that bad; the leg room, lack of room under the seat in front of me for my laptop, and the seat width drove me crazy. It's been a while since the last thread on this: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2123679/6/#ID2123679 Fortunately, it's only a 37 minute flight but it leads me to a few questions:

How many ATR's are at DL's disposal right now (all codeshare connection partners combined)?

Where are they all hubbed at?

When will they be retired?

Appreciate it!

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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:55 am

Lol, yea they are very cramped.

As far as I can see from the ATR-72 production list, ASA only operates 12 AT7's and Comair doesn't have any. They all seem to be based at ATL.

Does Delta have any other regional subsidiaries besides ASA and Comair?

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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:00 am

ASA has been sold to SkyWest, so it is now under SkyWest's control.
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:01 am

ASA is no longer owned by Delta.  Wink
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:09 am

Yes DL/EV has 12 ATR-72-212 turboprops. They are all Based in ATL and do the really short hops from there they seat 66 pax and were delivered back in '93-'94. A couple are stored at YUL (from what I can tell one has gone to the flag carrier of bosnia and herzegovina)

a few of their routes are: ATL-CHA/TYS/TRI/ROA

BTW does AE have any ATR-72-500? Because on here people call it that varient.
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:59 am

Does AA (or Eagle) configure them differently? My wife and I took 2 flights on ATR 72's from SJU-DOM and I don't remember them being that uncomfortable. Are the fuel savings in the continental US really that significant that an RJ couldn't replace an ATR? The trip is nearly cut in half CHA-ATL on an RJ compared to an ATR.
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting Cha747 (Reply 5):
The trip is nearly cut in half CHA-ATL on an RJ compared to an ATR.

Just how long is the flight time from ATL to CHA? I drive from Vinings to CHA in about 90 minutes. Half the flight must be on the taxiways at ATL waiting too take off. I don't understand the laptop complaint. By the time you got that thing powerd up, it would be time to stow it for landing.
 
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting Cha747 (Thread starter):
Just got back from a trip from NYC. The last leg was on an ASA flight from ATL-CHA on an ATR-72. I was in 11D and I thought it was just the most horrible flying experience. The rumble of the propellers wasn't even that bad; the leg room, lack of room under the seat in front of me for my laptop, and the seat width drove me crazy. It's been a while since the last thread on this: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2123679/6/#ID2123679 Fortunately, it's only a 37 minute flight but it leads me to a few questions:

I'm so sorry you had to endure that plane. It's not so much that it's an ATR-72....It's the simple fact that it's an ASA ATR-72. I was employed at ASA for eight months and I HATED that plane. I avoided working it at all costs...begging crew scheduling to trade it for a CRJ trip. It is a sweatbox in the summers. Flight attendants gave up telling people "could you put your seat forward" because it would fall right back down. Heavy people never have their seat "upright". Overhead bins that may or may not close securely. The ATR is the redheaded stepchild of ASA's fleet. No care or cleaning of the interior whatsoever. The pilots say they keep them around because of the fuel savings on (super)short legs to Macon, Augusta, ROA, TRI, PFN, VPS, GNV, etc.

[Edited 2006-01-09 02:19:43]
 
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:26 am

I basically always fly out of GNV, so I have the luxury of flying ASA ATR's quite often. To be completely honest, I actually like them. It's nice to fly a prop every once in a while (an hour long flight is my limit though!). Thankfully, GNV is phasing out its ATR's for the 70 seater CRJ's!
 
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:34 am

AM Eagle (OW) needs to phase them out. I flew one from FPO to MIA (40 mins) years ago and I wont fly them again. I can't imagine flying to NAS from MIA or FLL for 1 hr and 10 mins, too noisy and uncomfortable.
 
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:20 pm

Its ok, ASA will be getting rid of their ATRs soon, very soon. Or at least thats what uncle Jerry (OO) said.
 
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:48 pm

They make a ton of money. Always broken, but a cool niche plane. 50 seaters cant make a dime on the short route. Rumor I heard is that the ATRs will be replaced with the 705s if they get approved by DALPA. Supposedly they can make money on the short routes.
 
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Phatty3374 (Reply 1):
Does Delta have any other regional subsidiaries besides ASA and Comair?

not a subsidiary of delta, but chautauqua also operates flights for delta connection
 
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting Fpofllflyboi (Reply 9):
AM Eagle (OW) needs to phase them out. I flew one from FPO to MIA (40 mins) years ago and I wont fly them again. I can't imagine flying to NAS from MIA or FLL for 1 hr and 10 mins, too noisy and uncomfortable.

AA has longer ones deep down in the Caribbean such as SJU-SLU, BGI and POS(over 2 hrs) LOT flew WAW to Malta on a ATR which is 4hrs and 15 IIRC
But Air Tahiti flies PPT-Gambier (4 hrs)with a ATR also


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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:38 pm

Quoting Cha747 (Reply 5):
The trip is nearly cut in half CHA-ATL on an RJ compared to an ATR.

In what world? Regardless of whether you fly a prop or a jet, the flight time on this route is basically the same, except for maybe 5 minutes. The CRJ has no speed advantage on such a short flight. On other routes, like ATL-XNA, sure the CRJ has its advantage, but not on the ultra-short sectors.
 
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:32 pm

Ya know, flying props isn't bad at all save for one thing: They wobble. From Cessnas to ATRs they all wobble back and forth both on the ground and in the air. I just recently flew the ATR and I must say it's not much different from flying an RJ, but sitting in the back with it bouncing around made me naucious, and I'm used to it (being a pilot). They're cool airplanes and I think you do really need them on shorter segments, but I think I can see why people don't like them.
 
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:48 pm

Some of the remaining ATR routes by ASA

CHA, AGS, AVL, PFN, GNV, DHN, MGM, MYR and sometimes MCN.

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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 16):
CHA, AGS, AVL, PFN, GNV, DHN, MGM, MYR and sometimes MCN.

Add TRI & CSG

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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:31 am

I too fly out of GNV and don't really have a problem with the ATR with the following two caveats:

1. if you fly on them regularly the Bose Noise Cancelling Headsets are a must. The 1.25 hour flight from ATL to GNV leaves you exhausted without them due to the low frequency rumble.

2. never schedule an ATR flight out of ATL in late Dec through mid Feb. As everyone knows icing is an issue wit the ATR and those flights get cancelled with a fair degree of regularity. While icing in ATL is rare it does happen. I've been stuck in ATL more than once because of this. But that only makes sense. Everyone knows that ASA stands for Always Stuck in Atlanta.
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:55 am

I thought the major problem with icing was at altitude?

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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:03 am

As noted above, ROA no longer sees the ATRs. All CRJs to ATL and CVG for that matter.

I recall a much better experience on AA's ART-72s.
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 19):
I thought the major problem with icing was at altitude?

That may be, but they never seem to fly them whenever ATL or the area is suffering from any sort of ice storm.
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 14):
In what world? Regardless of whether you fly a prop or a jet, the flight time on this route is basically the same, except for maybe 5 minutes.

This evening's ASA flight on a CRJ departed CHA at 5:15p and arrived ATL at 5:45p

This afternoon's ASA flight on an ATR departed CHA at 2:20p and arrived ATL at 2:59p

I know that these are just 2 flights and arrival and departure times may be skewed by weather, ATC, ground traffic, etc., but they are pretty representative of the flights that I have taken CHA-ATL and vice versa. The last time I flew on the CRJ the "wheels-up to wheels down" time was 24 minutes. Last Sunday on the ATR, the same was 47 minutes and this difference is typical. That is almost double the time!

So educate me. Why is there such a discrepancy between the two?
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RE: Delta's (ASA's) ATRs

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:54 pm

Well, from what I saw, the flight times will usually be very close for one reason, the jets cant maximize the benefits from their speed. The crj heading up to CHA have to begin decent right after TOC and then must go farther out from CHA to begin the approach while an ATR can basicly fly like a small cesna and spends more time in cruise as well as around the airports. The time I flew to CHA, I flew a CRJ 700 up and an ATR back and flightimes were very close. Upon return to ATL, we actually turned on downwind almost over top of ATL and then made a short approach.


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