Checo77
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OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:23 pm

OS will start a non-stop service scheduled service to Irak as the first European airline.
The flight will be not to Bagdad but to Erbil in northern Irak. The service will start March 19 and will be operated twice weekly.
Plane will be A319. Flight OS 829 will depart VIE every Thursday and Sunday at 8:15pm and will arrive in Erbil the following day at 2am. Flight OS 830 will depart every Friday and Monday at 3:45 am and will arrive in VIE at 5:50am.
After May 2, the frequency should increase to three times a week.

What do you guys think? Pretty weird right??? I think Austrian is pretty a daredevil on this one. I mean, Irak? Now? Well, we will see how well they do soon.
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Adam
PS: I feel sorry for the pilots arriving in Irak Monday and staying there until Friday. I would not stay in Irak a single day at this situation. Well, just me.
Source: http://www.airways.cz/zpravy/zprava.asp?id=761 (Czech only)
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AirRuss
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:01 pm

Wouldn't the crew do both legs? It appears to be a 4 hour flight, which is do-able roundtrip with the same crew. Plus it would solve the hotel and security issue for any crew that needed to layover.
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:33 pm

I wish them all the luck in the world. Someone will have to start service there someday, if OS feels that they can make a run at it now... safely and profitably... then more power to them. From what I've read, it's not as bad in the north. It's a shame what a mess that country is. I hope for a speedy recovery (or healing as it were).
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:14 pm

I think this is a good sign. RJ is currently the only commercial airline serving Irak right? Albino planes flying to Saddam Int'l in Baghdad?
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:23 pm

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 3):
I think this is a good sign. RJ is currently the only commercial airline serving Irak right? Albino planes flying to Saddam Int'l in Baghdad?

RJ uses leased Fokker 28's that carry South African Registrations, they operate to Baghdad International. (Sadaam Int'l is no longer the name).
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:26 pm

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 4):
RJ uses leased Fokker 28's that carry South African Registrations, they operate to Baghdad International. (Sadaam Int'l is no longer the name).

And those F28's are albino no?

Thanks for the correction on the name.
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
I feel sorry for the pilots arriving in Irak Monday and staying there until Friday. I would not stay in Irak a single day at this situation. Well, just me.

Obviously, they aren't laying over in Iraq. The crew will either operate the return flight (if it is within the maximum hours, which is usually 8 hours) or deadhead on the return flight.
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:31 pm

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 4):
Sadaam Int'l is no longer the name).

They should have left the name for nostalgia.

There was already a thread about this too--it is in the far north of the country in the area referred to as Kurdistan. It is probably safer there than anywhere else in Iraq to restart commercial aviation services. The airport has a website with some pictures if you are interested:

http://www.hawlerairport.org/

I thought someone would have started Basra services by now too.
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 7):
They should have left the name for nostalgia.

If TXL were named "Hitler Internationaler Flughafen," would you leave that? If you were Jewish, would you like flying into that airport in Berlin?
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' -Theodore Roosevelt
 
semsem
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:23 pm

Air Kurdistan already operate flights to Erbil to various European cities. Also a Turkish airline will start soon.
The situation in Kurdistan is a lot different than in the rest of Iraq.
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:36 pm

Some more info in a different thread. Austrian To Fly To Iraq (by Backfire Jan 9 2006 in Civil Aviation)

YOWza
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 9):
Air Kurdistan already operate flights to Erbil to various European cities.

Interesting. Which cities? How often do they fly? What type of plane do they have? Any more info on them?
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 11):
Interesting. Which cities? How often do they fly? What type of plane do they have? Any more info on them?

There is a 2 x weekly Service with a HHI Aircraft Arbil-Frankfurt
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:47 am

The cheapest ticket is available for ~ € 840 (departing from Vienna). If they can sell all seats in the A319, they will make a lot of money!
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting OSA330 (Reply 13):
If they can sell all seats in the A319, they will make a lot of money!

I wonder if 3/4 of that will go to the Crew that operate the flight. They may not be too happy with flying that route.

Thanks
Mike
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 14):
I wonder if 3/4 of that will go to the Crew that operate the flight. They may not be too happy with flying that route.

I assume that there will be no crew rest in Iraq. Flight time isn't that long, a return should be possible within the same rotation. Flights to Tehran might be as long as those to Arbil, I don't believe that the crew remains in Iran. Maybe they wouldn't find any volunteers to do that. Furthermore, there won't be any interesting things to do there. No shopping or entertainment, I would fear leaving the hotel although the region was declared as a safe one. The situation can change daily requiring a temporary stopping without any announcement.
As an Austrian employee you're entitled to numerous salary surcharges (depending on union contract), for instance in case of very hard working conditions. You are probably right when mentioning that the money is used to attract employees.  Smile
 
semsem
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:29 am

Kurdistan Airlines web site

http://www.kurdistan-airlines.be/
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 16):
Kurdistan Airlines web site

http://www.kurdistan-airlines.be/

Interesting site, but are they planning to get their own aircraft?
 
semsem
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:10 pm

I think they are still using chartered planes. It is a bit confusing. A Turkish airline will soon be flying there.

[Edited 2006-01-13 08:10:59]
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:38 pm

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 4):
RJ uses leased Fokker 28's that carry South African Registrations, they operate to Baghdad International. (Sadaam Int'l is no longer the name).

What about flights by Iraqi Airways? How are those doing?

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
Plane will be A319. Flight OS 829 will depart VIE every Thursday and Sunday at 8:15pm and will arrive in Erbil the following day at 2am. Flight OS 830 will depart every Friday and Monday at 3:45 am and will arrive in VIE at 5:50am.
After May 2, the frequency should increase to three times a week.

Why to Erbil and not SDA?

Slightly off topic, what is Baghdad International's ICAO code? I'm not sure if it is ORBI as according to http://worldaerodata.com/, because airlinecodes.co.uk lists it as ORBS (so does A.net). BTW, they should change the IATA code as well, it still has some connection to Saddam Hussein because of the letters in it, just as the ICAO code with its final letter.
 
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RE: OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak

Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
Why to Erbil and not SDA?

See:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 10):
Some more info in a different thread.
Austrian To Fly To Iraq (by Backfire Jan 9 2006 in Civil Aviation)

YOWza

From that thread:
OS press statement excerpt: The city of Erbil in Kurdistan is a safe gateway into Iraq. With a population approaching one million people, Erbil is the fourth-largest city in Iraq, and the fastest-growing in the country. The United Nations Organisation plans to set up a support point for Iraq in Erbil. A range of renowned companies are currently active in the developing and expanding the regional economy of Kurdistan, while Erbil also provides rapid and safe overland access to the cities of Mosul, Kirkuk and Sulaymaniyah. The integration of the new service to Erbil into Austrian’s global route network will open up numerous European and intercontinental connecting flights into Iraq via the company’s Vienna hub.

And:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 6):
Quoting VORFMD (Reply 1):
Why not to Baghdad

Erbil is much safer than Baghdad and is in the Kurdish north away from the bulk of the ruckus that is going on at the moment. It is an ideal entry point into Iraq for oil related business travel as it is only a short drive to the oil fields of Kirkuk and other centres of commcerce such as Dohuk, and Sulemaniyah.

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