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Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:57 pm

Here's a link

Aviationnow Article on Northwest Newco subsidiary

Personally, I hate the name Newco. Read the article. Let me know if you agree with me and prefer Heartland as the name.

Gonna put an end to allot of I wonder what NW will replace ther DC-9s with? threads.
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:16 pm

Well, after the BK filing, I'd want a "newco" name! Big grin All joking aside, that's a botched name. Newco = foolco = no-co = geez, what a dumpy name.

Sad to see NW eying the CRJ's, but the new Embraers might be a good fit--albeit a tad pricey. Certainly the Avro's have seen the end of a long service life. We aren't seeing many of these trading well on the open market.
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:02 pm

My word, I honestly thought I was reading some little paper out of MSP or something, then I realized it's an aviation publication.

Quote:
When Cohen and former US Airways CEO David Siegel were reorganizing the airline three years ago, they formed the Pittsburgh-based MidAtlantic Airways division as a way to operate close to 30 larger regional jets.

Well, no, they formed the division as a way to operate 85 EMB-170s, not close to 30. They had firm orders for 85 birds. It just happened that they reentered bankruptcy and were only able to take delivery of 25 of them.

Quote:
MidAtlantic used the FAA operating certificate of Potomac Air, which was formed as part of the proposed merger with United.

That's just completely and totally wrong. That was briefly their original plan, to use the Potomac certificate. For a number of reasons, however, they decided to instead not use a separate certificate, and they just put the planes on the US Airways certificate, where over half of them remain today. The decision to use the US certificate, and not the Potomac certificate, was made before the aircraft were even ordered, and was/is very well-known and in no way a secret.

NW does want to create a new airline with its own certificate, which is not what happened at US, regardless of what this very poorly researched article might say.
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:08 pm

launched an aggressive internal campaign to win over employees on its plan to form a new regional subsidiary that would fly more than 100 jets with 76-100 seats focused in the U.S. heartland.

Good luck with that, especially when NW employees look over at their counter-parts at US and find them operating the Emb-190 mainline.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 2):

Ah, you just beat me to it.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 2):
they decided to instead not use a separate certificate

I think forced (in a technically voluntary way) is the better term to use.

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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:14 pm

"Northwest's current agreement with its pilots' union can't have its regional partners fly aircraft larger than 55 seats."

Right...I seem to count 69 chairs in those four-engined fuelhogs of theirs at Mesaba...
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
"Northwest's current agreement with its pilots' union can't have its regional partners fly aircraft larger than 55 seats."

Right...I seem to count 69 chairs in those four-engined fuelhogs of theirs at Mesaba...

Dude, as I've pointed out, the article's got problems. But you're not doing yourself any favors by misquoting it by "losing" the first half of a sentence.  Silly

That sentence reads:
Subject to certain limited exceptions, Northwest's current agreement with its pilots' union can't have its regional partners fly aircraft larger than 55 seats.
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:45 pm

Does anyone like Heartland?

Anyone have any better names?

How about North by Northwest?
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 6):
Anyone have any better names?

How about North by Northwest?

What the name of this venture is is quite literally the LAST concern anyone should have.

Besides, North by Northwest was a Hitchcock film--might be appropriate given the state of NW right now.
 
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:55 pm

I don't really like any of the mentioned names..... It should be COMPLETELY different, like Song was from Delta. I still think Song was the model that LCC's should strive for (a bit off-topic, I know).
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:00 am

The pilots aren't going for this at NW, if you read the other article on that site yesterday the pilots said they'd strike if NW goes forward with the plans for NEWCO. NW's problems are starting to sound like the labor problems Eastern had.
 
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 5):
Dude, as I've pointed out, the article's got problems. But you're not doing yourself any favors by misquoting it by "losing" the first half of a sentence.

Whoops...that's what I get for posting during a time of day that most of the Eastern Time Zone is fast asleep...
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 8):
I don't really like any of the mentioned names..... It should be COMPLETELY different, like Song was from Delta. I still think Song was the model that LCC's should strive for (a bit off-topic, I know).

Like... Say.... North Central????
 
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:23 am

Do you actually think that the pilots would strike? Given the state of the industry right now, if they were to strike I wonder if NW wouldn't just say we are done, close it's doors, then reopen later. I just don't think now is the time to make that stand....I would rather get through this, get the company back in the black, and then lets talk. When a company is on more stable grounds they are able to give more.

And how would NEWCO play out with the RFP that went out for some airlink flying? Would NEWCO repalce that RFP?
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:34 am

Sounds like Ted by any other name.

Slap on some paint, take out first class and cram as many seats as possible, and try to sell it to suspicious employees and customers as a new, low cost "airline within an airline".

Give me a break.  Yeah sure

When will airline management wake up and realize that these ventures don't work.

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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:38 am

The new airline will be called


JET RED.

As all the employees will be Red in the face for a variety of reasons.


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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:44 am

NEWCO is not the name of the new company. Newco referers to New Company, and will likely have a better name when it comes closer to becoming a reality.
 
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting ODwyerPW (Thread starter):
Personally, I hate the name Newco.

Obviously, that won't be the name of the new subsidiary. It stands, I thin, for "New Company", and certainly won't be the brand name. That's simply the internal name for this project at this time.
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:27 am

Remember, before it was jetBlue, it was known as "New Air" in the developmental stage.
Newco is just the label for a project.
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 8):
It should be COMPLETELY different

The name doesn't matter....it will never be painted on the side of the plane other than to maybe say "Operated by such-n-such". It will be like Midatlantic Airways, PSA, Chautauqua, Skywest, Mesa, etc. It will not be like Song/Ted.

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 13):
Sounds like Ted by any other name.

No, not at all. NW wants to start this entity to get a bunch of 70-100 seaters crewed by, preferably, non union crews at lower rates. This is what Ted may WANT to be but there is no resemblance to Ted whatsoever.
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:06 am

More name ideas:

Blizzard Air
Mosquito Express
HumidAir

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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:14 am

How about:


Northern Airlines
Mid America Airways (since they are obviously following MidAtlantic's creation)
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:50 am

How about:

SCAB AIRWAYS

or

SCABWEST
 
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:00 am

And now ladies and gentlemen..... The beginning of the final days of Northwest Airlines. Rest in Peace.
 
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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 5):
That sentence reads:
Subject to certain limited exceptions, Northwest's current agreement with its pilots' union can't have its regional partners fly aircraft larger than 55 seats.

I don't know if I'd call one of the three types of regional planes NW's affiliates operates a "limited exception."

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 12):
I would rather get through this, get the company back in the black, and then lets talk. When a company is on more stable grounds they are able to give more.

Let's say they do that. Will the management really give more once they are on stable grounds? I haven't seen anything from them to indicate that they would.

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RE: Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:30 pm

I like "JetRed" or maybe "RedJet Lite" ?, how about Little Heartland Airways !
Oh hell, just fuel-up the DC-9s and keep going as Northwurst no heart .