a3xx900
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Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:24 am

Hello everybody.

Soon it's time for me and some friends to start our USA jurney (only 189 EUR round trip DUS-JFK-DUS, but that's another story). So our plan is to visit a friend near the Washington/Baltimore area after our visit to New York City.
My question: Would you recommend to take a WN flight from ISP to BWI for - I guess - around $50 or rent a car and drop it off in BWI oooor maybe take the Greyhound?

How easy/expensive is it to get from Manhattan to ISP? I know there is a train running from Penn Station, but maybe a local can provide some more detailed insider knowledge!

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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:50 am

A3xx900,

The WN flight from ISP to BWI at $50 is probably the most convienant way to go when you combine money and time. The drive from NYC to BWI is about 4 hours give or take, and with tolls and gas you are going to spend about $60-70. Plus you would have the rental car fee and also the fee for dropping of at a different location which can sometimes be up to $80.
Getting from Manhattan to ISP takes a bit of time (about 1.3 hours) and costs anywhere from $9 to $15 and you would need to transfer trains once. However, I think its a cool ride as you watch the scenery change from very urban to suburban, plus getting to fly more is always a plus.
Personally I wouldn't even consider the bus, although it is probably the cheapest way, it takes forever and its not the most comfortable, and just generally sucks in my opinion. Hope this helps.

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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:52 am

If I were you, I'd take Amtrak, which leaves right from Penn Station.
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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:57 am

Manhattan to ISP is a hike, and unless you are dying to fly South West it is not worth the effort. The Greyhound may be the cheapest the train the fastest and with a car you can stop in Atlantic City and gamble. It really comes down to your budget. The Drive to Baltimore is just highway nothing really exciting to see.
 
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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:58 am

Yeah Amtrak, forgot about that. I guess the Amtrak fare would equal the WN flight.
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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:09 am

I don't know if it stops in BWI or not buy you might be able to take Amtrak's bullet train the Acela.
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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:47 am

Speaking of the Acela...I would really like to read a trip report on this. Would that be forbidden to post on a.net? Anybody know where I could find this kind of info? I've been on bullet trains in Europe and Japan, and would really like to know how the ones in the US stack up, but don't have the time to get over to the East coast anytime soon...
 
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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:59 am

I live on Long Island, close to the Ronkonkoma Train Station and I agree that the best option would be to take Amtrak. The reason is that even after the 1.3 hour train ride from Penn Station to Ronkonkoma, then you will have to wait for an airport van or a taxi to the airport. That could add another half hour of time and more money.
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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:03 am

Your best bet is to take Amtrak to from DC to NYC. ISP is about 50 miles east of NYC. The taxi ride to the Long Island Railroad Station shouldn't take more than 5 minutes and costs about $5.00. If you take the LIRR, make sure to buy the ticket at the station since it will cost $5.00 more than the regular price if you buy it aboard. The trip on the LIRR to Penn station should take about 1hour and 30 minute give or take a few. Try the Acela, it looks really nice when I see it at Penn station. Although when it comes to flying into the NY area, ISP is very relaxed, not too hectic for the traveler.
 
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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:15 am

ISP is a bad bad bad idea. Way too far, way too much of a hassle, and even then, it puts you at BWI, where you have to then get into DC, another hassle!

If you want to do it cheap: Greyhound or Fung-Wa (Chinatown Bus). I know the Chinatown bus is only ~$20 each way and will go direct to DC. Greyhound has been fare-matching and shouldn't be much more. Ride will take ~5 hours. They'll also go from city to city -- no commutes in from airports -- so quite a good option really.

If you want to do it for comfort: Amtrak -- either a regional train or Acela. Regional trains are just fine for comfort -- they'll just make a few more stops and take longer. Acela is very nice. They are very comfortable and a great ride, but will cost you almost 2x the regional train. Check prices and schedules at amtrak.com. Note the train won't be that much faster than a bus -- although not affected by traffic, and the Acela doesn't really go much faster than a regional train, it just makes fewer stops. The trains will go Penn Station to Union Station -- midtown Manhattan to downtown Washington -- definitely the best way to go if you spare the cash.

If you REALLY REALLY want to fly: Take the US or DL shuttle from LGA. It'll cost about the same as the Acela, but you'll have to get out to LGA and into DC from DCA (not cheap via cabs!). I don't recommend it over the train, but it is definitely faster.

Don't, under any circumstances, take WN out of ISP. It will take longer door to door, cost more, and make you feel even more like cattle than Greyhound.

Since people asked about the Acela -- I've taken it many many times between Philli, NY, and Boston. It is wonderfully comfortable -- seats are nice with good leg room. Bathrooms are even nice. Cafe car food is crap, but snacks and drinks are great. It is just as nice, if not nicer, than the TGV in France, Thalys in Benelux, and the ICE in Germany (all of which I've been on). HOWEVER, it does not go nearly as fast! It only goes slightly faster than a regular Amtrak train, its just they are more express. This is primarily because of the tracks. So, I highly recommend it, but don't expect speed. It's still a 3+ hour ride Boston-NYC, while the flight is only 35 minutes. I used to take it from Wilmington, DE to Boston (a 5.5 hour train trip!) over flying PHL-BOS when the weather was bad and I knew I'd be delayed at PHL for 2-3+ hours. Even though the train may take a bit longer, I could work and be productive, not have to worry about what time I'd get in, and just enjoy the ride, instead of being stressed at the airport (or on the plane sitting on the tarmac, as is usual at PHL).
 
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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:15 am

Yeh, it would be quicker to take a train/bus from Manhattan then going out to ISP on a train and catching a flight.

If you're interested in flying . . . there are nonstops from LGA, EWR, and JFK to DCA, IAD, and BWI.

The cost you spend to get out to ISP isn't worth the trek.

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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:22 am

For trips between NYC and Washington or Baltimore Amtrak is definetly the best route.

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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:22 am

I agree ISP probably isn't worth it at all, it is too far, Amtrak is the best choice, plus you can walk around and get food on the train.

Quoting Dartland (Reply 9):
it puts you at BWI, where you have to then get into DC, another hassle!

He said DC/BWI area so that part doesn't count, that isn't a disadvantage if that is where he want to go.

But if you go out to ISP, it is small but the Southwest concourse is new and very nice.

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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:34 am

Thanks again guys.
I am really tending toward Amtrak now.

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 12):
He said DC/BWI area so that part doesn't count, that isn't a disadvantage if that is where he want to go.

Yes, sorry for not being detailed enough: My friend lives near Annapolis, so I guess the best way would be BWI and then get picked up there.
I know Greyhound isn't very comfortable, but it would take us directly to Annapolis.

Amtrak: $60 Penn Station to Baltimore
WN: $50 ISP-BWI
Greyhound: $30-40 Downtown Manhattan-Annapolis

So I am really  Confused
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RE: Long Island (ISP) Question

Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:53 am

It seems silly that my first post would be about trains - but here goes. If you're trying to get to Annapolis, you are much better off taking the train to either BWI Rail Station (near the airport, @ 195 & 295) or New Carrolton, MD rail station (@ 95/495 & 50). Both of those are in the suburbs and relatively close to freeway exits which will speed your friend back to Annapolis.

The Acela stops at BWI, the regional at both BWI & New Carrolton.

Getting off at either Baltimore or Washington Union Stations would put you downtown.

Rather than Greyhound, look at Trailways. Usually the same fares, but often nicer busses.

As to those of you who recommended cars, remember that a trip from NYC to Annapolis could run a good $20-30 in tolls, along with gas, along with rental car - which easily makes it more expensive (especially for someone who will have to pay the under 25 surcharge).

If you want to fly, I would recommend the AirTrain to Newark and hop a flight to BWI (Continental).
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